Premier League Gameweek 27

[VP89]

That was an incredibly forceful drag back, mate. I’m not sure I’ve known anyone to stamp the ground beside the ball doing a drag back.

It actually wasn't, which is why the defender isn't injured and carried on playing. Sure it hurt from impact, as any accidental stamp would, but it clearly looked like he went in with force thats comparable with trapping the ball. The defender himself didn't really complain, I didn't see Chelsea players crowding the ref, it's so fecking obvious how the intention was and you're complaining about some weird intent that never was.

Yeah its bad -but it fecking happens. It's not a red every time studs hit a player on the floor.

It clearly is. That’s why the player got hurt. Somebody doesn’t have to have control of the ball for a challenge to be reckless. You’re talking some shite here.

It's not shite - two referees didn't think it was a red, the commentator who is an ex-football player didn't think it was a red. It's not wreckless not just because he didnt have control, but because there's hardly any space as well. You're acting like Lo Celso came in with some Seth Rollins curb-stomp

I’m not anti VAR ya dolt. So unlucky on that one. It’s blatant. You just like to be a contrarian that’s all. Like a bit of attention don’t you.

I said people, not you.

He literally stamped on the side of another players leg how is that not reckless

It's not, as explained 100 times already

VAR is a referee in a room watching TV. It’s not a sentient being and it doesn’t require your mental gymnastics to defend it.

There is no mental gymnastics. I literally defined what VAR is. VAR also endorses referees to go to the pitchside monitor themselves if they want the decision holder to be consistent. But premier league refs are thick as planks and ignore it. That's a referee problem, not a VAR problem.

 

[Dec9003]

Giroud would have been a fantastic option until the end of the season for us.
Chelsea would never have let us have him though.

 

[tyunited]

Do people still think United aren't capable of finishing above both of these dull average sides?

Yes, we are dull and average ourselves.

 

[Shark]

Do people still think United aren't capable of finishing above both of these dull average sides?

Not if we keep on losing and drawing to teams like Watford and Burnley, we won’t. Let’s see what happens tomorrow.

 

[NinjaFletch]

You’d be forgiven for thinking it’s accidental at normal speed, but then you see what the VAR lads are seeing and it really looks to me that Lo Celso knows full well where his foot is and what he’s doing with it. He even appears to give it a little twist to mash it in harder. Cynical foul that.

Or you get suckered into a psychological phenomenon of attributing greater malice to actions when you see them in slow motion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36940475

 

[reddev3]

It's a loose ball and he went for a drag back. Drag backs are scattered around football matches in Europe - you want to ban that?

? where did I say he should be red carded for trying a drag back? I said he should be sent off for miss timing an action and in turn stamping forcefully down on to an opponents leg. You don't get let off for things just because they're an accident, that's why mistimed tackles get bookings.

He can do drag backs until the cows come home if he doesn't stamp on opponents legs.

 

[izec]

Winks is completely average

 

[GaryLifo]

Chelsea players want to stop play acting for every tiny bit of contact.

What a bunch of cry babies

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Giroud would have been a fantastic option until the end of the season for us.
Chelsea would never have let us have him though.

They didn’t want him to go anywhere TBF

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Winks is completely average

Wanks?

 

[GaryLifo]

Yes, we are dull and average ourselves.

Nope. Incorrect sorry.

 

[VP89]

? where did I say he should be red carded for trying a drag back? I said he should be sent off for miss timing an action and in turn stamping forcefully down on to an opponents leg. You don't get let off for things just because they're an accident, that's why mistimed tackles get bookings.

He can do drag backs until the cows come home if he doesn't stamp on opponents legs.

He couldn't avoid the action - which is why it's not a red. Case closed.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Willian on for Barkley.

 

[Bobski]

This striker Spurs signed looks awful, getting bullied, play with back to goal, first touch has been dreadful.

 

[acnumber9]

It actually wasn't, which is why the defender isn't injured and carried on playing. Sure it hurt from impact, as any accidental stamp would, but it clearly looked like he went in with force thats comparable with trapping the ball. The defender himself didn't really complain, I didn't see Chelsea players crowding the ref, it's so fecking obvious how the intention was and you're complaining about some weird intent that never was.

Yeah its bad -but it fecking happens. It's not a red every time studs hit a player on the floor.


It's not shite - two referees didn't think it was a red, the commentator who is an ex-football player didn't think it was a red. It's not wreckless not just because he didnt have control, but because there's hardly any space as well. You're acting like Lo Celso came in with some Seth Rollins curb-stomp



It's not, as explained 100 times already

There is no mental gymnastics. I literally defined what VAR is. VAR also endorses referees to go to the pitchside monitor themselves if they want the decision holder to be consistent. But premier league refs are thick as planks and ignore it. That's a referee problem, not a VAR problem.

The ex ref who when seems to think refs have never made mistakes and the Tottenham fan Glenn Hoddle don’t think it was a red so they must be right? I’m going to need better evidence than that.

I know what VAR is. Why do you need to tell me my problem is with the refs making the decision when it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that is who is making the decisions? You can’t say it’s not VAR’s faults it’s the refs fault when VAR is a ref making a decision? Your posts are morons.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This striker Spurs signed looks awful, getting bullied, play with back to goal, first touch has been dreadful.

So everybody can stop weeping that we didn't sign him. Just been brought off for Alli. Toby off for Aurier.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Tammy hurts himself trying to score.

 

[Siorac]

Nope. Incorrect sorry.

Is it though? We actually scored quite a bit fewer goals than either of these teams.

 

[GaryLifo]

Abraham can now sing soprano

 

[VP89]

The ex ref who when seems to think refs have never made mistakes and the Tottenham fan Glenn Hoddle don’t think it was a red so they must be right? I’m going to need better evidence than that.

I know what VAR is. Why do you need to tell me my problem is with the refs making the decision when it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that is who is making the decisions? You can’t say it’s not VAR’s faults it’s the refs fault when VAR is a ref making a decision? Your posts are morons.

There is no "evidence". It's all a subjective view which is why we are having this debate.

VAR simply gives the ref more angles to make a better informed decision. Without VAR today the decision would have been the fecking same, and here we are having a debate about VAR. So yes, I think you do need a bit of education of what VAR is.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Abraham just did the splits around the post

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Lo Celso now gets booked.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Lo Celso could have had about 4 red cards by now

 

[KirkDuyt]

And this is what he books him for

 

[charlenefan]

Lo Celso finally gets a card

 

[Withnail]

Ouch

 

[GaryLifo]

Is it though? We actually scored quite a bit fewer goals than either of these teams.

We've beaten both these sides in the league and we now have Bruno who I think is going to change the creativity levels considerably for the rest of the season

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Chelsea beating spurs comfortably just goes to show that what we accomplished in beating them at the bridge was no mean feat.

Nah just goes to show how poor the teams around us actually are, I think we have been unlucky with injuries this season but I think we have the third best squad in yeh league by a mile.

 

[Gasolin]

Worst result for us no? I was hoping for a draw. We can be 3 pts behind Chelsea but it won’t be good, we need them to crumble mentally,

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Alonso hits the bar.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

VAR have now admitted it should have been a red for Lo Celso.

 

[Adam-Utd]

so NOW VAR thinks it should be a red? WTF???

 

[charlenefan]

VAR admit Lo Celso should have been sent off

Can't make it up

 

[diarm]

What a free kick that is from Alonso. Almost Beckhamesque.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

This striker Spurs signed looks awful, getting bullied, play with back to goal, first touch has been dreadful.

Bergwijn? Touch was inconsistent, but didnt get much help going forward. He's also 'doing a job' up top, as he normally plays on the wing or behind the forward.

 

[acnumber9]

He couldn't avoid the action - which is why it's not a red. Case closed.

There is no "evidence". It's all a subjective view which is why we are having this debate.

VAR simply gives the ref more angles to make a better informed decision. Without VAR today the decision would have been the fecking same, and here we are having a debate about VAR. So yes, I think you do need a bit of education of what VAR is.

Mmm.

I think you’ve spent so much time talking shit that you’ve forgotten what you’re arguing about. It was you that said it’s not VAR it’s the refs that are the problem. What is VAR? It’s refs watching TV. The decision being the same is not the point. The point is that things can be missed at one view that should not be missed when you watch it again.

And apparently VAR are now admitting they were wrong.

 

[FlapR]

VAR now decides it should've been a red, what the feck are they playing at ffs

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

VAR admit Lo Celso should have been sent off

Can't make it up

Absolute joke!

 

[reddev3]

He couldn't avoid the action - which is why it's not a red. Case closed.

do you not get cards if you can't avoid the action?

 

[Harry190]

Delle Ali looks finished at age 24. Quite the downfall that.