Complete and absolute rubbish, as usual from you.
If Bruno were to get injured I think we all know what'd happen to this team.
So how come we look like a football team again?
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If Bruno were to get injured I think we all know what'd happen to this team.
Because in some of our worst performances this season we were playing both Lingard and Pereira in midfield. You can’t win Premier League matches regularly with that level of midfielders.
We were hovering about in sixth because of the other players.
That, and we also made some very amateur individual errors with some crucial missed penalties, and mistakes when defending.
The team would struggle to score goals, obviously.
Which would happen under any manager we bring in.
Yup. Plus as some others have mentioned, so important to have options to rotate and keep players fresh. Rashford broke down sadly right before we brought that depth in, but just Ighalo and Bruno make a world of difference.
I wonder if the injury to Rashford has been a blessing in disguise too. He was carrying the team before he got hurt. Now other players have had to step up. Oh, and Bruno has been amazeballs too.
It was absolutely massive today to be able to bring on Mctominay to add energy in midfield and Ighalo to hold the ball up and relieve pressure.
Prior to the Jan transfer window our options we're bringing on the likes of Pereira/Lingard.
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Yes.
missed penalties.
Poor reffing
Injuries
Youthful exuberance
Clearing up the mess of old managers
this season should be going so much worse. We are three points off fourth! Five off third!
Every bit of bad luck.. we’ve had it. Martial, Shaw, Rashford, Pogba have missed LONG stretches of games.
It's Bruno and all that he brings. That's it. That's all that has changed for recent upturn. It's obvious.
Ole to Bruno: you're our 10, do 10 stuff out there and lot so of it fernanny
Ole to Bruno: you're our 10, do 10 stuff out there and lot so of it fernanny
*philosophy
Donkeys like Pereira and to a lesser extend Lingard not getting a sniff anymore. We will be even better when we have an upgrade on James.
Add a Sancho to this team and we're not far away from challenging.
Add a Sancho to this team and we're not far away from challenging.
We had Cleverly before when winning the League. But we didn't depend on one player for creativity.
This. Better quality players and we look better. Who would have thought?
Bruno is a very important factor but I think an even important one is how the defence is solid now. I don't remember the last time we conceded a stupid goal other than the De Gea one.
We also had better attacking players then. Cleverley wasn’t an attacking midfielder that didn’t score or assist for over a year either.
It’s undeniable just how rotten the pair of them have been this season.
We’ve brought some good characters in. No mercenaries. Maguire, AWB. Fred has come good and is clearly a great bloke. And of course we now have Bruno! This guy is a massive missing piece of the jigsaw.
Totally agree.
Midfield is the key and you are not going to succeed with Andreas and Lingard.
In the last few games we’ve finally figured out how to defend set pieces. Our defenders are starting to win headers and track runners that previously led to goals for opponents. I’m not sure why it’s taken so long but it’s making a huge difference and getting us results.
I think it is very obvious we are playing with that extra bit of swagger and grit. When I see Shaw coming in an clattering Cancelo, it was actually our players who are putting out a statement on the pitch.
Don't know about Rashford but Pogba's was definitely. He was basically carrying the team and in his absence Rashford, Fred and Martial all took on more responsibility.
I'd have loved to have Rashford instead of James today, could've hit em for a couple more.
We have 8 clean sheets in 10 games though
Most clubs have that one signing that makes everything just click in to place and raises the standards of everyone around them, Bruno seems to be that for Ole. Fergie had it with Cantona, Liverpool had it with Van Dijk, City had it with Kompany/Aguero, Arsenal with Bergkamp to name a few.
Its also helped we are much better defensively and players seem to be adapting to Ole's methods now and making us more consistent.
Its also helped we are much better defensively and players seem to be adapting to Ole's methods now and making us more consistent.
He is so good that he stops other teams from scoring as well. I mean, he is so good DDG literally has to hit opposition players to have the ball rebound in the goal.
We stood by our manager instead of making a knee jerk decision like spurs did.
We replaced average players with great ones
We replaced average players with great ones
How the feck can you still slate Ole after today
I actually think I hate our fans
1. Bruno
2. Shaw, Matic, AWB, Maguire, McTomminay, Rashford, Martial have stepped the feck up this year and looked like real United players
2. Shaw, Matic, AWB, Maguire, McTomminay, Rashford, Martial have stepped the feck up this year and looked like real United players
I don't think he is slating him in fairness. Read the post before hating people for views that maybe don't match with what they have posted.
Where've I slated Ole?
Genuinely, where have I 'slated' him?
For me, Ole isn't the best Utd could do and I don't like his football - that's my opinion, am I suppose to just chop and change my opinion every time he has a big win?
I actually really like him as a person and I like seeing him do well. I think he's ruddy lovely if truth be told!
So many posts like Lingard is far from the biggest problem in this team....turns out it actually was. Players like him and Pereira in creative positions just kill attacks and deflate a team. Replacing them with a creative force, a driving character of Bruno has lifted the whole squad.
When a defence trusts the attack it becomes more focused. Players like van Dijk were actually quite error prone at Southampton, but when added to a better team, where every moment matters, performances rise. I feel like Bruno has brought that belief to our team.
When a defence trusts the attack it becomes more focused. Players like van Dijk were actually quite error prone at Southampton, but when added to a better team, where every moment matters, performances rise. I feel like Bruno has brought that belief to our team.
Bruno, injuries have dried up and confidence.
defensively we’ve been very impressive.
defensively we’ve been very impressive.
Hard work, patience, trust and positive affirmations. To be fair, Ole has stuck to his guns and not acted desperate to change things for quick results. Our managers have all acted irrational under the amount of pressure they've been in. Often from game to game, and it has led to our issues with consistency and lack of plan. The club seems to be United again with a plan written down, everyone ready to improve and anyone who doesn't want to work or lack quality will soon be replaced.
Bruno in, Lingard/Pereira out.
Maguire's command of the box.
Shaw's aggressiveness and ability to drive the ball out.
Fred/Matic resurgence.
Ole and the coaches have a hand in this obviously.
Maguire's command of the box.
Shaw's aggressiveness and ability to drive the ball out.
Fred/Matic resurgence.
Ole and the coaches have a hand in this obviously.
Functioning Midfield....tick
Striker who can hold ball...tick
Not dependent on Young, Mata, Pereira, Matic...tick
Massive egos shipped out of club or sidelined...tick
Surly and manipulative manager replaced with hard working professional...tick
Not rocket science...just got...
End period of chronic underinvestment in facilities and squad.... to go!
Striker who can hold ball...tick
Not dependent on Young, Mata, Pereira, Matic...tick
Massive egos shipped out of club or sidelined...tick
Surly and manipulative manager replaced with hard working professional...tick
Not rocket science...just got...
End period of chronic underinvestment in facilities and squad.... to go!
I guess my issue is that on places like redcafe it feels like "being right" comes before "man utd being successful" sometimes. Realise I'm sorta just venting because I was defending Solskjaer heavily in the "in" thread a few months ago when we were under huge pressure and you might or might not have been one of the many to reply to me in there!
Like - it feels like you can't pick and choose pieces of a managers management, it's all or nothing - either it's the players who are responsible or the manager is. Solskjaers shown some -bollocks- this season and it's been so strange hearing Mourinho throw Parrott under the bus and slate the fans for wanting him played at 18 in the same season Solskjaer has put Greenwood in to see him score 5 goals in the premier League -before- he's 18
Anyway yeah it's all Solskjaer or none of it is. Fernandes is incredible of course
Bruno is never injured. He's missed 2 games in his whole career. Ole has been very careful not to add any more injury prone players to the squad. All of his signings were fit for today as usual.
If Bruno did get smashed with a tackle or something Pogba will be back soon. Grealish or someone similar will likely join in the summer. That's the point in allowing Ole to keep building his squad. He clearly knows what he's doing.
This year has been tough, and we've learned all there is to know about our squad. The last 14 months saw us shovel shit out like Fellaini, Lukaku, Sanchez, Darmian etc. And there'll be more shovelling in the summer, like Lingard, Peirrera, Dalot etc. We've had some real quality additions like Wan, Maguire, James, and Bruno. And there'll be more to come. I seriously see us comfortably in the top 4 next season, and then challenging again.
Look at the bench.
We could actually bring on McT, Ighalo and Greenwood - that’s not bad, and add in that Rashford and Pogba are injured. We are looking strong.
We could actually bring on McT, Ighalo and Greenwood - that’s not bad, and add in that Rashford and Pogba are injured. We are looking strong.
The defense has looked more solid no matter if we're playing with 4 or 5 at the back.
Shaw and AWB have both steadily improved going forward.
Fred and Matic duo in midfield has to get a huge credit for me. They've give the defense immense cover and help and have both been playing well on the ball.
As for the attack what's changed is Bruno. Mata and Martial play better with him than without him and we've noticed less that Rashford has been missing and our general depth is poor especially because of how Bruno has made us a better side on the ball. Fred is a threat, AWB is taking on players, Martial keeps on scoring and Mata has been very good in his last 3 games or so.
A final thing is how we've improved in set pieces, both offensively and defensively. It's clear that Ole has done some major work there on the training ground. We've been horrible coming back from behind and stopping goals being conceded from set pieces helps with making life easier as well as scoring them which we hardly did. I was never worried seeing City getting corner after corner. We just look so good defending them now.
Shaw and AWB have both steadily improved going forward.
Fred and Matic duo in midfield has to get a huge credit for me. They've give the defense immense cover and help and have both been playing well on the ball.
As for the attack what's changed is Bruno. Mata and Martial play better with him than without him and we've noticed less that Rashford has been missing and our general depth is poor especially because of how Bruno has made us a better side on the ball. Fred is a threat, AWB is taking on players, Martial keeps on scoring and Mata has been very good in his last 3 games or so.
A final thing is how we've improved in set pieces, both offensively and defensively. It's clear that Ole has done some major work there on the training ground. We've been horrible coming back from behind and stopping goals being conceded from set pieces helps with making life easier as well as scoring them which we hardly did. I was never worried seeing City getting corner after corner. We just look so good defending them now.
I understand that mate, and I've no issue with you (or anyone really), but that thing about 'being right coming before United's success', is defo something that goes both ways.
There are so many 'Ole In' posters who come on after a big win filled with vitriol rather than joy! Today included.
And indeed, it has appeared many a time that they'd rather see United fail with Ole at the wheel than admit they're wrong that he's the best manager Utd could get.
At the end of the day, today was a massive step toward CL footy next season, and every Utd fan should be happy about that - rather than being actively angry that other fans have different opinions than them.