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Barcelona in crisis after six directors resign in protest at way club is run
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....Yes? The League and the CL are what are classified as major trophies. Domestic cups, Club World cups and Europa leagues are not in the same category.
Think he joined the party when all the cool kids had already left.
The Arthur for Pjanic swap was just terrible as well and necessary for financial reasons. I mean Pjanic is class but just a very puzzling move.
It seems such a bent move IMO
Its basically a way to cook the books. They both say €70m/€80m in on their balance sheets but they amortize the outgoing costs.
So Arthur signs a 5 year deal at Juve. Their incoming for the season is €70m, their outgoing is 80/5 so €16m. This gives Juve a nice positive €54m in getting round FFP.
Pjanic signs a 4 year deal at Barca, Their incoming for the season is €80m, their outgoing is 70/4 so €18m. This give Barca a nice positive €62m towards FFP.
Bent as hell and unsustainable but that's the sad reality.
Yeah you've nailed that.
Surely it can only act as further evidence though that Barca are in real trouble.
Me either, and there is plenty of room for Barcelona to feck it up, but that need not be the case. Madrid stumbled a bit the season after Ronaldo's departure and they look to be steady now. So there is a template. But will Barcelona follow that template or will they plunge downwards to early 2000s mediocrity? Time will tell
Trust a City fan to explain getting round FFP.
Oh shots fired. Top red!
I'm sure he copes living in Barcelona with his fit girlfriend and earning bucket loads of cash
Well City did it with Cancelo and Danilo didn’t they?
Yes.
I mean he is kind of right. I'd argue its a bit harsh lumping us in with AC Milan's demise and obviously I don't appreciate the dig but its not exactly outrageous.
Cheeky cnuts. They would be lucky to be in our shoes right now, I would say they are worse off. We are better positioned to ride the storm let’s see how they manage post Messi
I really don't get that. Liverpool, not winning for 30 years, is a better comparison. We will have to fix that stupid perception about us very soon.
I think Barcelona have struggled due to decisions of the hierarchy and not maintaining a consistency in their approach tactically with managerial appointments. I'd personally hire a coach like Ten Hag, possession orientated distinct of Cruyff philosophy, nurture some of the players from the La Masia youth system and get rid of the injured / under-performers.
They should invest in players who fit their system tactically, Griezman screams of the exact opposite when you consider the influence Messi typically has in the starting 11. They should go for someone of the ilk of a Gnabry or even could have done with Sane to drive the width of the team. Every time I've seen Barca play they look too narrow. Too many inverted forwards.
They should invest in players who fit their system tactically, Griezman screams of the exact opposite when you consider the influence Messi typically has in the starting 11. They should go for someone of the ilk of a Gnabry or even could have done with Sane to drive the width of the team. Every time I've seen Barca play they look too narrow. Too many inverted forwards.
Normally hasn't been a problem when you have Alba and long-gone-Alves providing width, but with Alba probably on the decline yeah it will be more of an issue
Lumping us with AC Milan. That's painful.
They don't have the personnel to cater for what is effectively a 10 man job off the ball. And it looks like they won't even have the freedom to recruit. They need to rebuild that entire midfield. As painful and as mad as it seems, I think taking the most painful option short term, losing their best player is the best long term solution.
Get rid of €80m a year on the wage bill, give the new manager(must be a good one) license start from scratch.
He’s not wrong calling us out. We’ve not competed for 7 years now — have been nowhere near winning the league.
Hiring someone like ten Hag doesn't make much sense now when they don't have players to play the Barca way anymore. Messi's 33 and rebuild that team would take two or three seasons so if anythimg they need a proven, title-winning coach like Allegri who can use what they have right now, I believe.
We have gone seven seasons without competing (let alone winning) a big title. Nothing wrong with what he said. Milano won the last title in 2011 (and competed for it in 2012). We won it last in 2013 and have not competed since (I think the best we did was going 19 points below the champions). What he said is perfectly true.
Sure, and it still doesn't change the fact that a team has not won for 30 years. And it would be foolish to think that changes are not perceptible. Anyway, no point arguing, we just have to show with the teams.
They won UCL last season and the league this season. Also reached UCL final in 2018, and came close to winning the title last season and in 2014. In recent years they have been doing much better than us.
Soooooo, can we have Messi?
You really have no clue about that deal do you? We got €30m for Danilo and paid nearly €60m for Cancelo... at best we saved €18m on the books from amortization. A club like City with our numbers don't need to save €18m for FFP purposes.
Its fecking hilarious that lots of you are so upset about us being not guilty some of you feel the need to turn every conversation a City fan is involved on the forum into sly digs and wumming etc.. Have to say its a pleasure reading and replying to the same rubbish wumming in every thread because keeping things on topic is too hard for you guys.
Alright sweetheart, calm down. They made a profit on a player that barely played for them, a fee nobody in their right mind would pay, and paid a world record fee for a full back they didn’t need to sit on the bench. The exact same club involved in the Pjanic deal. Something isn’t right about that. How does that deal make any sense? And it was nothing to do with being not guilty and everything to do with time barring was it not?
I mean, the worst that can happen in their ‘decline’ is being 3rd in the league. It’s not exactly as intense as the PL where there are 6/7 top 6 contenders every season is it.
Probably the most mismanaged club in world football right now though. But I don’t get it, if you can afford to pay so much for these players, why not hire a world class manager too? They will be expensive; but worth it.
I feel like they always hire managers who don’t have a say in the team compared to the senior players (specially Messi), which sets a terrible precedent all around.
Probably the most mismanaged club in world football right now though. But I don’t get it, if you can afford to pay so much for these players, why not hire a world class manager too? They will be expensive; but worth it.
I feel like they always hire managers who don’t have a say in the team compared to the senior players (specially Messi), which sets a terrible precedent all around.
Leaving abysmal recruitment aside, their main problem currently IMO is the fact that they have a number of players who are nowhere near good enough for a starting role but due to status and personal relationships are more or less guaranteed starters. If someone had the guts there to get rid of that lot, there still might be an opportunity to salvage some of the signings.
Who are these players?
And Valverde, despite his shortcomings, didn't come across as the coach who could be undermined in this way.
He is misused but you can see that there is a very good player in there.
I wouldn't put it the way he did but Suarez is an example, he is still a very good goalscorer but he is a tactical headache because he doesn't defend anymore, doesn't make runs or play with intensity. He shouldn't be in the same attack than someone like Messi because they end up being sluggish, they have no intensity, there is no pressing and no quick attacks. But he is apparently one of Messi's closest friends in the locker room.
Let's start with Busquets. He wasn't a physical specimen even at his peak but today looks like he's 50 years old. They buy De Jong then play him in central midfield because Busquets needs to start in his preferred position.
Suarez at this point has a destroyed knee and is literally physically unable to run at full tilt. He's 33 years old and plays 90 minutes after 90 minutes. He still has the knack of scoring a great goal, but his all-round play is more or less nonexistent. What's worse is that he shows zero awareness of that fact, had he tried to adapt there might have been less of an issue. When he's on the pitch Messi more or less refuses to pass to anyone else.
Pique can still play a great game but consistency never was his strongpoint and it is hardly going to improve at his age. Couple that with the fact that he really isn't that interested in football anymore with all the Davis cup crap and his business investments (by his own admission). He'd still be a great rotational option but guaranteed starter he should not be.
Alba just looks broken after that Anfield disaster, he had a brilliant 2018/19 season up to that point and has fallen off a cliff since. He isn't that old so he can still turn it around though.
Those are the main culprits IMO.
If there was a situation where Messi was available for a free , I have no doubt that all the top clubs in Europe would be all over it.
They've shoehorned him into a role as an 8 that he's an awkward fit for to avoid displacing Busquets. Once they move him back to playing as a 6 he'll improve; certainly he hasn't looked out of his depth or anything but just hasn't hit the heights like he did at Ajax.
They need to hire Gallardo from River Plate
Yep, agreed there bud.
What do we think about the potential decline of Barca following Messi leaving/retiring? Will it be worse than when Ronaldo left Real? I think yes.