That seems to be the theme alright in a lot of posts ,it seems winning stuff is only a distraction in Football these days.
Get over it, Chelsea is fitter
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Why can' they just play the semi after the league game ended and do final 3 or 4 days later. If we are going to lose, I would rather see us losing when our players are fit enough to move around, passings were off because players were too static, there was zero flow in our game today.
We've been lackadaisical in the past 2 games for the opening half, and the FA didn't force DDG to have a mare today. We brought this defeat upon ourselves.
Fs!
Don't care about the result?. So why not go on a Chelsea forum and celebrate with them.
What a joke.
To add insult to injury mike dean really played a blinder for them today too.
If we are 3rd this time next week I will get over this then.
Same as other mistakes from the outfield players.
Don't matter what happens if DDG saved those mistakes, we're bound to be battered today.
Except 4th spot trophy of course. Man, how i will celebrate that. I will be drunk all day.
That’s what really sucks. Our “rotation” didn’t end up properly resting anyone.
Chelsea are fitter*
Because the first 11 is all we have. If we want Champions League we have no other option but to run them into the ground. Playing back-ups and rotating correctly would have us 10 points off fourth.
Cheers, gotten over it
They were better on the day, shit happens. Learn from it and move on.
Of course it is!
tiredness creates concentration issues and enhances individual errors. All 3 of those goals came from poor individual errors. 2 of them down williams side who hasn’t been training recently either.
whether you accept it or not our legs have gone and it shows.
They had 4 days rest before this one. We had 2 days. When you are playing back to back games , 2 days can make a lot of difference
I here what you are saying and at the same time, guys like Fred and Matic were rested the last game, as were James. Ighalo should be fresh. Bruno I get why he would be tired. I just think we didn't have the concentration or fleet footed ness to handle the press. Was the same vs Southampton with all our players. Palace was a bit iffy too. I never felt like we were confortable in any of those games and didn't feel we won the midfield battle
And if he did that you wouldn't be complaining about him playing a second string in the semi finals?
No we weren't. If DDG didn't let in the howler and we settled into the half with our usual formation we might well have played into it. Stop trying to blame the FA when it was just us playing shit and letting our heads down before playing even more shit.
We needed to balance it and sadly our team errors cost us the game, our club is supposed to compete in every competition so we cannot just simply drop gear in a semi-final so we rotated but the players didnt turn up. Any team who gifts 2 soft goals like this doesnt deserve to qualify and we got exactly what we deserved for being so lethargic.
Yea that top 4 trophy is so much better than FA Cup! While we're at it let's bin the EL trophy also.
We only managed to close the gap on Leicester because they had the most spectacular, almost unimaginable, meltdown. Leicester are basically handing us the 4th place on a platter and we're about to gracefully decline it because the manager needs to win some kind of silverware to prove he's not a loser.
It was not about being fitter or not, we shot ourselves in the foot with that selection of players. I agree we had to rotate and rest the starters since getting top 4 is the priority, but that formation by Ole was shit.
Besides De Gea and everything we managed to create zero chances and lost control over the game because of Ole's tactics. Cant blame that on fitness.
Besides De Gea and everything we managed to create zero chances and lost control over the game because of Ole's tactics. Cant blame that on fitness.
Still the same amount of games over the 9 day period and tiredness is accumulated. Last season Chelsea won the Europa league and everyone said they will struggle because of the fixture list and supposed less days rest but they still finished 3rd. and beat us towards the end of the season despite the dreaded Thurs-Sun schedule. Sounds like excuses. We just weren't at it and it happens. We can blame tiredness but did you feel comfortable vs Palace? Southampton? The line up didn't help. I dont want him as a scapegoat but when I saw James start my 1st question was "why not ighalo?" none of the attackers have hold up play or a good focal point.
I bet you never played full game of football today and played again two days after.
Well, if you're comparing top 4 or the FA cup, and you had to sacrifice one for the other, it's a no brainer, surely?
Edit: not sure why the EL trophy has anything to do with the argument too, it's played a different time and not in between the top 4 race with little time between games.
The scheduling wasn't great and Chelsea have benefitted from it to a degree but let's not use that as an excuse.
We've lost today because our goalkeeper has had an absolute shocker. Chelsea had the better of the game in the first half but still didn't create anything of substance, and it was the same story for much of the second half. If we went in level at the break (or even if de Gea didn't render the entire second half pointless in the 46th minute) I think we could've salvaged something from that.
We've lost today because our goalkeeper has had an absolute shocker. Chelsea had the better of the game in the first half but still didn't create anything of substance, and it was the same story for much of the second half. If we went in level at the break (or even if de Gea didn't render the entire second half pointless in the 46th minute) I think we could've salvaged something from that.
I couldn't be bothered if I were you, but you can check my post history. I've been banging on about this for days. Rest the fecking players. We go no quality in depth so it's a straight decision, prioritise CL qualification.
You cannot do things you cannot do. If you have weak squad depth, you cannot challenge on multiple fronts (unless you are a genius). Whatever we're "supposed" to do, has to have connection to the real world. In this case, prioritising league games and resting players or do what Ole did.
Muscle soreness is a real thing you know.
Recovery time is more important than accumulated fatigue.
They are better than us with a better midfield.
We’ve a serious problem with squad depth.
Chelsea were much better today. Lets also be fair, over the course of the four games if looked as one, they deserved at least one win.
And we gave them the chance to pull away due to a poor start. But yeh, we are only back in it because Leicester are poor, not because United have been good...
Theres a reason its called a marathon not a sprint
We did rotate. We set up with a back five for that very purpose, to play on the counter. The injury to Baily changed things drastically, as we gave a goal away after he was gone.
Then it was about getting back in the game, and again we let a goal just as we tried to get a foothold in the game through DDG having another brainfart. At that point, he had to change things to try and get back in the game.
To me, this one is one the players, especially the GK who was terrible. Not going to blame the manager for this.
Then it was about getting back in the game, and again we let a goal just as we tried to get a foothold in the game through DDG having another brainfart. At that point, he had to change things to try and get back in the game.
To me, this one is one the players, especially the GK who was terrible. Not going to blame the manager for this.
These are the type of things Arsenal fans and Liverpool fans (when they were shit) would say. And we’d rightly rip the piss out of them for it.
I've already stated my reasons why this is incorrect in one of the many tiredness excuse build up threads.
Simple case is we couldn't handle Chelsea's press. Nowt to do with tiredness at all.
When we played Norwich in the quarter final, Ole made eight changes and there were howls of indignation on the Caf. Personally, I would have preferred if he had used the rest of the squad, even if it looked a second XI, partly because I don't think they're as rubbish as some people suggest, but I guess he saw the chance of a trophy, and for some supporters here it would be bad management for him to make wholesale changes to a winning team. I wouldn't say Chelsea's bench is better than ours, but we've hit on a formation that works well for us and not using it comes with risks that we haven't adjusted to yet. I think his lineup today was picked to get Chelsea to use more energy than us, absorb the pressure then use our pace once they tired, but that risks letting them dictate the game and that's what happened, so he got it wrong this time.
I play for two teams, I train three times a week and play two games a week.
I also work 40 hours a week and have two kids.
I also play just outside semi professional tier so it's a decent standard.
So please, don't lecture me on fitness. Thanks.
We couldn't handle Chelsea's press because of tiredness. We couldn't press like that ourselves because of tiredness. Saying we should have played a full team of reserves, fair. Saying the whole team is terrible and Ole is clueless, ridiculous.