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My thinking is a top side that needs a new number 1 but don’t want to go big on a transfer fee right now. Pickford was £30m a few seasons ago so use that as benchmark and teams could be looking at 50m for Henderson. I’d imagine if a side committed to his wages then we wouldn’t have to worry about him getting enough playing time. It worked for Chelsea with Courtois if I remember correctly. I don’t think his head will be turned if he commits to the new contract with us. How long does De Gea have on his recent deal?
100k a week for a second choice GK is ridiculous
I like Henderson but he’s literally done nothing for United to deserve those wages. Too much too soon.
100k then unlikely he would be able to find club to be loaned out. As back up GK it's high wage, while we already had DDG on ridiculous high wage.
So the point being is whether it is a good move. Henderson not getting enough minutes next season to further his development. Either we have plan to phase out DDG and move him on in near future, or it wold end up a huge feck up, where Henderson would eventually want to play, and we're getting peanuts for him due to his high wage.
Is there a plan in play? If so, why giving DDG such high wage then? Or it's again a reaction solely to interest from the like of Chelsea in Henderson? Trying to keep the asset, but have no football plan for that asset.
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Done absolutely nothing to warrant that wage. No wonder why people are taking us for a ride when it comes to wages and agent fees.
I think it’s setting ourselves up for a big problem.
If De Gea has a good season it’s 100k wasted if Henderson can’t cope at United under intense scrutiny it’s wasted. He’s not played for us properly yet and we’re throwing too much too soon.
true. We gave Williams 60+k/wk, and the majority is ok with that. Henderson has proven twice as much as Williams.We must have a plan with this extension. Its bite the bullet time. Chelsea linked with him this summer, Bayern were sniffing after him last year and people think we can get him to sign a 60k contract?
Maybe we just aren't used to actual successful loans at our club. Players just sometimes come alive while on loan amd are rewarded accordingly. Dean is proving it and has been phenomenal. This isnt a Gomes or Chong here.
We cant let David blind us to how to do the right thing. We cant compound one mistake after another.
Let's hope so (we have serious plan).
If I am the decision maker at the club, I would never offer DDG such contract in the first place. In this situation, however, I would open to sell Henderson with a buy back clause, if I can't move DDG on in immediate future.
100k a week for one of the best keepers in the league who will be fighting for the number 1 spot isnt that ridiculous.
This is what happens when you have a successful youth system amd loan. All of a sudden a player kicks on and you have first team quality right behind the first 11.
We have 2 first team quality keepers right now and should be judged accordingly.
Chelsea wanted him this summer. What do you think they would have offered him if he was an actual Sheffield Utd keeper?
50k? 60?
Come off it.
It also wont be impossible to sell DDG either, its that notion thats colouring peoples opinions.
If David underperforms then Henderson comes in, if DDG plays well then he is a sellable asset in a years time.
Either way, we win
That too simplistic way. There is a chance both wouldn't do well. Or Henderson development stall and his value drop.
The latter is reason while I wrote in my previous post, if in the decision maker at the club, I would sell Henderson with buy back clause, so he can further his development while he can get good wage (from the buying club) for his worth.
So yeah, let's hope thing work out, and we don't have to deal with those nightmare situation.
It's not going to be 100k every week. It might reach that with add-ons like how many times he starts, etc...
Henderson is the future GK of this club and (over)paying him for one year isn't going to be harmful. He might not be the long, long term GK, but he's deserved first crack after DDG.
Romero and Grant see their contracts end June 2021. DDG's contract, not including a one year option, ends June 2023.
If United are comfortable giving Henderson this wage, then it really does show they are aware of their budgets, wages, and income for at least the next couple of years.
Romero and Grant see their contracts end June 2021. DDG's contract, not including a one year option, ends June 2023.
If United are comfortable giving Henderson this wage, then it really does show they are aware of their budgets, wages, and income for at least the next couple of years.
He's the future and good to keep him tied down, hard not to be impressed with him this season. Think he good be great at building from the back, the man can hit a ball some distance. I'm very confused what the plan is with our keepers. Don't think you can alternate between keepers, could we be moving Dave on?
Hopefully will be able to push for the main spot with us next season.
How many players who are sold with a buy back clause, actually go back to the club that didn't believe in them in the first place?? You might as well just loan them out for two years on a four year contract. That's similar to what RM are doing with Martin Odegaard where he was loaned out for one year with an option to loan out for a 2nd year to the same club.
Loan option we did with Henderson. It reached the point where he's within consideration for England no 1. We can't keep him on low wage while sending him on loan: paying his wage to loan him make no sense for us, while high wage prevent him to find a clubs to take him in.
The buy back clause not being exercised had more to do with players failing to live up to expectation, or the former clubs doing well and don't need the player service.
Before selling a player with buy back clause, it's also made clear by the former clubs that they rate the players, but it's best for the players development as his new clubs would have more responsibility to manage the players as their own assets.
Leaving players on the bench, and the players moving away the following few years for peanuts to turn out expensive players in the future is an issue.
Henderson has had many loan options already as a United player. He's obviously progressed as they hoped and he hoped for.
His new wage will reflect his standing as the heir apparent to DDG, whether that's in 1 or 2 years time. The future at United for Henderson is very soon, but continues to become reality year by year.
Henderson has to play week in and week out and to perform. If he's battling DDG as the number 1 this coming season and they continue to rotate, then fine. But he has to play consistently in order to get momentum for Euro 2021. But if Henderson comes back to United, then United currently have 4 senior GKs in DDG, Romero, Henderson, and Grant. Again, Grant and Romero's contracts expire in June 2021. Only DDG and Henderson are contracted after June 2021, and that's not considering a new contract for Henderson.
Most clubs insert a right of first refusal instead of buy back clause, those are two different things or can mean two different things.
Henderson current contract ended next season?! This new extension is meant to keep him at the club, and the wage is to persuade to stay since there are interests in him from the like of Chelsea who is ready to make him no 1 with a worthy wage.
The whole standing, heir to DDG obvious, however high wage is an issue if there is no plan to phase out DDG soon with Henderson coming in. As you said Henderson would need game time to continue his momentum, which high wage killing his option to be loaned out. Only fighting with DDG for no 1 spot makes sense. However unless both perform excellent while we go far in all competitions to maintain good game time for both, we would one way or another overpaying for either (or both in worst case scenario).
Let's leave out the nitpicking part re buy back and first refusal. Either would be good depends on situation. Both required players' agreement when the deal being made. The point being when players agree to such clause, they're aware the former clubs rate them.
He holds all the cards, many clubs looking for a keeper and he would get the 100k there easy.
Nah, if we think he can be number 1 we keep him. If we sell him on now he may never want to come back. Courtois was fantastic at Madrid and couldn't wait to get back. Look at the mess that left Chelsea in
I just dont see the point in losing one of the best young keepers in the game for the wages that Lingard picks up.
100k is getting overblown. Romero is on 70k a week ffs
https://www.sportskeeda.com/footbal...st-team-stars-revealed-premier-league-2019-20
Sell him and its all evened out.
Depends on source, the reported wage is different.
Here Romero is on 50k
https://www.sportekz.com/football/manchester-united-players-salaries/
Why consider extreme case in example, then when considering what may happen with our choice it's all hopeful? DDG was minutes away to do a Courtois with his wishes to go back to Madrid. That deal with Madrid was a joke. Courtois went to Atletico on loan, too. Now we had an entirely different issue with DDG contract, and a new problem to manage Henderson for the best outcome. Just because Lingard wage is a mistake doesn't mean we base our future contract on that.
Point being if things work out, good. Everyone hope so. However, people are understandably concerned. Complaining about that, then we may as well open a forum so everyone can moan about each other.
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At Carrington.
Interesting times lay ahead.
Especially if he's coming in for free.
We should have let de gea run down his contract. Awarding him insane wages with 4 years contract have put us in a very bad situation. There won't be any takers for de gea even for free and we will be paying 100k to our on loan keeper.
The only way out of this mess would have been if we sold Henderson for 50m plus to Chelsea and invested the amount in improving the team in other key areas. We are stuck with De Gea as is and we have a very good 2nd keeper in Romero.
There are many quality young keepers around like Meret, Maximiano etc we could buy in coming years.
The only way out of this mess would have been if we sold Henderson for 50m plus to Chelsea and invested the amount in improving the team in other key areas. We are stuck with De Gea as is and we have a very good 2nd keeper in Romero.
There are many quality young keepers around like Meret, Maximiano etc we could buy in coming years.
Future United and England number 1 and moaning at 100k ffs
We give that to Lingard who isn't even a starter.
We give that to Lingard who isn't even a starter.
Why would you help strengthen a direct table rival when it's clear he's your contracted player? United overpaid in money and term length for their own player, that's on Woodward and Judge, not the manager(s). But what did happen was that there's at least one year of overlap between DDG and Henderson. Henderson's current contract is through June 2022 with an option to extended through June 2023. DDG's current and probably last contract with the club is through June 2023, with an option to extend through June 2024.
Henderson getting a revised/updated contract would represent his ascendancy to co-number 1 with DDG or at least the immediate successor of DDG within 1 or 2 years.
Romero's contract ends June 2021...he's definitely the odd man out, unless he stays on to provide cover for Dean Henderson with DDG leaving within a year or 2.
Out of interest, who would.replace De Gea if you sold him?
Joe Hart; head and shoulders above the rest
If he stays with us then Ole needs to be prepared to drop De Gea if he is still making the mistakes he has been these past 2 seasons, everything he has done so far with players suggests he will do that if he believes in Henderson, I reckon if Henderson is brought back that will be the plan, pressure on De Gea to perfrom if not Henderson is in.
This.Future United and England number 1 and moaning at 100k ffs
We give that to Lingard who isn't even a starter.
Jones is on £120k while Dean played 36 matches last season and was one of more stable keepers in the league.
if he stays with us this upcoming season, does Ole have the guts to drop De Gea when necessary? Because Henderson being on the bench all season is a colossal waste.
If he gives him 100k a week, i imagine he has to. Otherwise he is a bigger idiot than i thought, we don't need a GK for the FA cup and League cup on 100k a week.
I'd be worried about the other scenario that they let De Gea go on loan if it becomes clear that Henderson is the starter to cut some wage off the bill. I think having De Gea on the bench regardless of wages is both a healthy competition for Henderson and a wake up call for De Gea to add to his game.
Mike Maignan anyone?
Inigo I rate your views on here but stop being funny. Head and Shoulders hahaha. Joe the Legend. At least he dated Katie Price respect to you Joe
Ofcourse Henderson... but De Gea is a unsellable now. Who would pay 350k to a declining keeper? Henderson should be our number 1 next year. But if he can't be... why now sell him now, invest in the team with that money. For eg if we only have a budget for Sancho, may be after selling Henderson we are able to buy Upamecano or Grealish too. It is not like Henderson has played for us. We are doing fine with De Gea and Romero, can do just fine for couple more years.
Great post. Well done. Wish I’d got there first with this one.
Dean was fantastic for Sheffield this season but he did make certain mistakes and at a smaller club that does go under the radar more than here.
I feel we should give him 80/100k to keep hold of him but throwing him in as our first choice is risky business. If he keeps developing he will definitely be our first choice soon.
I would give him a contract send him on loan for next season with the promises that he keeps up his level of last season he will be first choice for the 21/22 campaign
I feel we should give him 80/100k to keep hold of him but throwing him in as our first choice is risky business. If he keeps developing he will definitely be our first choice soon.
I would give him a contract send him on loan for next season with the promises that he keeps up his level of last season he will be first choice for the 21/22 campaign
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