I’m not sure you can play Pogba and Bruno in the middle with Thiago as the DM....and if that is true....ideally we need a DM where our 2 best players can 100% play in the big games. I don’t like Pogba playing deeper as he dwells and loses possession far to often.
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They would have been out a clean fortune paying the red sox wages with no revenue due to covid there.
Or Utd doesn't think his wages arent worth it while Liverpool do?
This is Liverpool here with finaincial troubles. Theres no way Thiago isnt exploring every option right now if Liverpool shits the bed on the deal. He wont be acting the maggot like this imo.
The Giggs interference didn't come out til much later. I honestly can't remember where I read it. The side of the story I read is that Moyes wanted him but Giggs said no. He was one of the key coaching staff at the time.
He's another who plays as a 6 and can be the deep lying playmaker. Would not Matic' place be in jeopardy? Just asking, I've not seen a great deal of Thiago A other than a few bits here and there. I know he has bags of skill
No Greenwood in the lineup? It’s not gonna happen, he will play regardless of the systemRespect to United if they are trying to sign him
Thiago wouldn't come to sit on the bench and Donny van de Beek isn't coming to sit on the bench. Pogba and Bruno are obvious starters. What on earth is Ole planning?
........Rashford..............Martial..........
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.........Pogba...............van de Beek....
.......................Thiago.........................
yes - hes been in the national team for the last three years
We don't need another CM unless Pogba is leaving.
This transfer does not add up, although I freely admit I, and am guessing most don't know the full details.
Thiago in isolation would be a great addition to the squad. However, where we have a bloated defence group at the moment, won't the potential signing of Thiago only create the problem in midfield ? Either Pogba is on his way or Fred (and possibly Matic) is going.
If wages are holding up the deal, then thank feck we are walking away. About time we stood our ground on Sanchez type wages.
Thiago in isolation would be a great addition to the squad. However, where we have a bloated defence group at the moment, won't the potential signing of Thiago only create the problem in midfield ? Either Pogba is on his way or Fred (and possibly Matic) is going.
If wages are holding up the deal, then thank feck we are walking away. About time we stood our ground on Sanchez type wages.
Usually I’d agree, but Romano is convinced that we’ve agreed terms with Sancho, but every other tier 1 says we haven’t. So I don’t know anymore.
Not sure, I also saw an interview where Gary Nev stated that we should have gone for Thiago. I always felt that Nev and Giggs were on the same page but then again if we signed James on Giggs' recommendation....
Yep just checked 10 caps. In any case he won't be here to start week in week out, he will need to fight for that place. Thiago will be a shoe in the first XI, if we entertain the idea of him coming of course.
I think he wanted to be the marquee signing for Pep and vice versa. The hype was huge and he was heir at Barca so he disrupted some major plans for him by leaving and was probably in Pep camp and also tried for to City when Pep left. Don't think he was any close to us other than us having good economy for a contract push, on that account Giggs instinct was perhaps correct?
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he wont play every game though (I doubt any outfield player will) and in some games packing the midfield with Bruno, VDB Pogba and Matic in a diamond might be an interesting option... of course pogba could be off and VDB a replacement but i think squad depth (particularly in midfield and wingers) is somethng we lacked last year and VDB goes a long way to addressing that at what seems like a very reasonable price (given his age and potential)
Liverpool's owners aren't as good as they're made out to be. They tried to trademark 'Liverpool' and were about to put most staff on furlough until they received a lot of backlash from fans and ex players.
Thiago at £30M should be a no brainer for them even if his wages are high.
Thiago at £30M should be a no brainer for them even if his wages are high.
There does seem to be some element of this here and why not. Liverpool are at their peak, favourites for the league, probably the best Manager, amongst favourites for Champions League so he could be sold on that. Utd on the other hand are a fair bit behind so could only happen if the wages are higher.
They've won the club their first title in 30 years and won the Champions League. They also made terrific transfers and brought in one of the best if not the best manager in the world. I think they're doing just fine mate.
I wonder if Romano is been given the information from the agents and if they say personal terms are agreed or not a problem then it puts more pressure on the buying club to move as it sets an expectation/pressure from the fans.
He will play enough to be considered a starter - i.e. to be put in the lineup (at the expense of Rashford, most likely - in this scenario of Sancho signed)
If anything Pogba is the one who will need to fight for his place. Can't keep tolerating his casual attitude
Credit to them for hiring the people who won them titles. Still don't think they're the perfect owners some make them out to be.
They hit the lottery with appointing Klopp, so give them credit for that if for nothing else. Apart from that they are definitely not anything special. They consider us as an investment, nothing more, they're more interested in the Red Sox than in Liverpool it seems, and if they're not giving the green light for signing one of the best midfielders in the world right now for a meager €30m then that's a big feck you to Klopp imo. It's not like they're short on cash because of Covid right now.
This 100%.
Well no owner is perfect
I don't buy these rather recent revelations that Giggs said he was 'not a Utd player' that never came out at the time. Or that even when Thiago was in Munich ready to sign he asked his agent to ring Utd one last time. This very much feels like bashing Utd time by the press. The likelihood is once St Pep came in for him we had no chance. So the bad luck on Utd part was Pep becoming Bayern Manager.
Yeah, because Liverpool are the only true club in UK! I swear some of you lot are becoming deluded like City fans. We are Manchester United, not a second rate club. The only time we need to pay extra is for the players who dream to play for Real/Barca but would come to the Prem for higher wages, which is nothing like choosing between Liverpool and United in the Prem.
I dont think its in jeopardy, we just need different midfielders for different games. Theres no point in playing Matic at home to Burnley who do nothing but sit back and dare you to open them up but then do you want Pogba back there with KDB making runs off him?
We would also have more control in midfield. Bruno is a final 3rd player. He operates at his best when closer to goal. He doesnt provide 40 yard through balls or big switches of play, hes at his best in and around the box. Where he is playing now he is involved in the play too early and a lot of moves actally break down when hes deeper. Giving him a free role from the right, with Donny replacing him through the middle, solves that.
Sadly so. More and more big clubs with 100+ year history are falling into the hands of these big foreign sports companies around UEFA territories. Happening all over Italy too. They care about the monetizing side of things more than sport, not that they would openly admit to such ever. They worship the monies. Why invest 150% more to gain 15% more revenue by going from top 4 to 1 realistically every 5 years?
As for MLB NBA etc they are royally fecked with the stadium bans for a loooong time it seem.
So the version I read was that Pep really wanted Neymar that summer, but Barca got him. Pep was angry with the Bayern board for not pushing for Neymar. When we decided not to pursue Thiago, and he then became available to Pep, Pep decided to go balls deep for him, made a more public push for him than he'd usually do, and made a show of getting him.
We made our move early for Thiago that summer, and his dad came to Manchester to talk to Moyes. This was all before Pep officially took the reigns at Bayern (he was still in New York at the time). We made our move immediately after Spain won the under 21 tournament that summer.
Come on firstly can't you see the difference in where the two teams are at the moment? Secondly you would expect Utd to be able to pay more so as a player would ask for more.
I'm not making this up myself as in a would-be scenario, this is based off of reports from Romano and other reliable journalists that he's dead set on joining Liverpool. Fine if you don't believe them but don't take it out on me if I do.
You're obviously not a second rate club but at the moment you are quite some distance away from challenging on all fronts like Liverpool should next season, so it's not hard to see (or believe) why he'd much prefer our project that's currently in full fruition compared to yours where he'd maybe have to wait until he's 31 before you might be challenging for the PL or CL again.
It's the same as with any employee. If I wanna join A but B is interested and I know they usually give better pay, I'm sure as hell gonna ask for a lot more if they want to really have me there.
If we sign Thiago, Upamecano and Sancho this window (in addition to VDB), we may win the title this year already.
Fair points.
Wijnaldum has been a consistent figure for Liverpool, it doesn't seem Thiago can cover 35-37 Premier League games.
If they can't stop Wijnaldum going then of course they have to come up with solutions.
If they can't stop Wijnaldum going then of course they have to come up with solutions.
There's nothing wrong with your post and everything you said is logical.
I'd love Thiago though but not upsetting our wage structure.
I completely agree, I’d go as far as to say they are no better than the Glaziers. If anything Utd have spent an absolute fortune on players since Fergie left and poor management going up the ladder has resulted in overpaying for poor players, unwilling to fight for the cause. Klopp is without a doubt the best manager in the world and it would have been interesting to see the impact he would have had on Utd if he joined before you guys. I think our fortunes would have been very different.
Liverpool are skint and Thiago is exploring every option. I dont know how this is being put forward as a PR positive spin here, especually after the Werner shitshow.
Players cant wait for Liverpool, they cant trust you.
Probably also dependent on whether Ox can maintain fitness I guess.
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