Do think things will move now talk of player sales is starting to accelerate a bit today
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I've been thinking the same thing, fingers crossed.
Yea. Sancho will be a red devil.
Or maybe the saga hasn’t finished yet and the deal is very much alive.
Either that or the club genuinely believe that a deal is still possible. We would've known by now if they had moved on or were out if they didn't think it was.
Took them all of 12 hours since the Messi exit news broke for them to nip that in the bud
, they keep allowing this one to linger though for whatever reasonSome great analysis. One thing you’re perhaps missing is we still also have to pay delayed payments for several previous transfers, plus various add ins as and when they accrue. I’m not sure what the size of your those payments are, but it’s not insignificant
I was also wondering that.
I went all in on Hazard and felt pissed for ages after that. Never been the same since
How many pages was Hazard?
Maybe it is, I'm just surprised how completely tight-lipped we've been about it, most of the information seems to be coming from the German-Norweigan chuckle brothers.Either that or the club genuinely believe that a deal is still possible. We would've known by now if they had moved on or were out if they didn't think it was.
Took them all of 12 hours since the Messi exit news broke for them to nip that in the bud
Yeah that’s correct. At the end of the 18/19 season our net remaining transfer expendables stood at around 160m. No figures for this year yet however, since then our cashflow has gone from 310m to 90m. 80m of that will have been from Maguire up front and possibly 30m covering Corona but that still leaves 110m possibly paying that down. That leaves 50m outstanding and not including Maguire last year’s net spend was around 0 so it won’t have increased by much. Plus obviously the 140m loan is additional cashflow and amortises worst case scenario COVID losses so provided by next season at the latest crowds are back in the stadium our cashflow should remain what it was going to be minus whatever rate we’ve agreed to pay the loan back at. I’d guess considering they’re giving credit out like candy these days it’ll be quite a good deal
On the Glazers I’m not their biggest fan and the leverage takeover put this club at huge risk. We were exceptionally lucky how successful we were during that time and how commercial revenues and tv deals exploded. It’s genuinely a disgrace how they lumbered 700m debt onto us. However, I do think they want to get us back to winning again. The outlay over the last 7 years shows that. You don’t spend 80m up front on Maguire if you’re just in it to leech money off the club by finishing 4th every year. With Messi going next door I really don’t see us not signing Sancho. For the brand of “biggest adult Disneyland around” alone if we don’t get our number one target who is an exceptionally talented marketable young Englishman because we couldn’t afford it whilst our rivals sign Messi just isn’t a good look.
James Cooper (Utds mouthpiece) saying the fee with Dortmund doesn’t seem like it’ll be a problem. It’s the fee with the agent that’s the issue. But says we’re still desperate to have him before the end of the window.
Do you reckon we will get that sorted in the end,certainly sounds to me like Utd are keen to overcome the problem
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I can believe this tbh, as long as Dortmund get the fee they want (and not through addons) I'm sure in a post COVID environment they can't expect it all up front, wages I can't imagine will be a problem so logically it shouldn't surprise if it is agents causing the issue
One thing that is common which James Cooper has mentioned before is, when Utd really want someone, they generally get their man.
I would say Sancho is someone they have wanted more than anyone since Fergie left. More than Pogba I would say.
I’m certainly not buying the notion this deal is dead.
What is the agents fee? Do we know what he’s demanding?
It’s anyone’s guess right now but there were reports he wanted £50m!! He has history of being greedy. Someone posted details on him in this thread.
This will be done one way or another. It’s no different to the Pogba or Maguire sagas.
£50m
He is saying wages are also a problem. Goes against reports saying personal terms agreed.
Who is this agent? At the start of this saga I hoped as there's no Raiola involved this would be smooth sailing
Pretty much
Now we have financial details of the VdB signing, in your opinion, how much can we afford upfront for Sancho, including wages?Yeah that’s correct. At the end of the 18/19 season our net remaining transfer expendables stood at around 160m. No figures for this year yet however, since then our cashflow has gone from 310m to 90m. 80m of that will have been from Maguire up front and possibly 30m covering Corona but that still leaves 110m possibly paying that down. That leaves 50m outstanding and not including Maguire last year’s net spend was around 0 so it won’t have increased by much. Plus obviously the 140m loan is additional cashflow and amortises worst case scenario COVID losses so provided by next season at the latest crowds are back in the stadium our cashflow should remain what it was going to be minus whatever rate we’ve agreed to pay the loan back at. I’d guess considering they’re giving credit out like candy these days it’ll be quite a good deal
On the Glazers I’m not their biggest fan and the leverage takeover put this club at huge risk. We were exceptionally lucky how successful we were during that time and how commercial revenues and tv deals exploded. It’s genuinely a disgrace how they lumbered 700m debt onto us. However, I do think they want to get us back to winning again. The outlay over the last 7 years shows that. You don’t spend 80m up front on Maguire if you’re just in it to leech money off the club by finishing 4th every year. With Messi going next door I really don’t see us not signing Sancho. For the brand of “biggest adult Disneyland around” alone if we don’t get our number one target who is an exceptionally talented marketable young Englishman because we couldn’t afford it whilst our rivals sign Messi just isn’t a good look.
Cant be. Thats not even worth negotiating over. Didnt it come from a Chelsea mouthpiece?
He can suck an elephants cock
I’ve got absolutely no doubt it will be done. Always felt that from the beginning. Utd will push it as far as they can and bite the bullet in the end.
Regardless of the undertakers in here insisting it’s dead.
Just realised... No Maguire or Rashford in the England squad... Who the feck is tapping him up for us? Mason!?
I remember you were at the very front of the vanguard during the Vidal saga. It didn't end well.
I agree. If you’re going to pull the plug then it would have been done by now
Not even fat boy Mino would ask for that kind of money.....can’t believe that anyone would ask for £50m - trouble is though, agents are aware that Ed got well fleeced by Mino in the Pogba deal.....he got a lot of stick for that so there is no way he’s gonna get done again....Ed’s a (bit) wiser these days
Think you must have me mixed up with someone else
Emeka Obasi. Notoriously money hungry.
Juventus paid the majority of the agents fees.
They can do it through insta
I think so, that was the narrative they put out for walking away from the deal.
Interestingly there isn't even an active Sancho thread on Dortmund's forum, not one that has been bumped in the last few days anyway. Guess they think that this transfer is dead.
Rashford would have had a couple of sleeps with him before withdrawing from the squad.
But we didn’t pay the agent in that deal as far as I know. Juventus did
There’s being money hungry and wanting enough to bail out a state
Lacks that personal touch.
Looks like him and Rashy might have been involved in the same shoot for the new kit, so all's not lost (unless it was Photoshopped)
Ugh! Dirty bastard
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