Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[ayushreddevil9]

Clearly you don't know anything about finance and economics. I hope your company doesn't hire you for anything to do with finance related.

Oh damn. I feel bad for my company now.

I hope you try and add some value to the post and care to enlighten us? Even the finance people at Utd would like to know because according to many on here, they haven't done any homework and are just helping Ed with a panic buy.

 

[DarkLord]

Oh damn. I feel bad for my company now.

I hope you try and add some value to the post and care to enlighten us? Even the finance people at Utd would like to know because according to many on here, they haven't done any homework and are just helping Ed with a panic buy.

It's not my job to educate you about finance. If you think that we can just go out and spend 120 million euro on a player just like this because it's not your money, that's a very selfish, childish and naive thinking, especially right in the midst of a world pandemic.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

It's not my job to educate you about finance. If you think that we can just go out and spend 120 million euro on a player just like this because it's not your money, that's a very selfish, childish and naive thinking, especially right in the midst of a world pandemic.

That's not the point right? I am not claiming that we should do it or not. I am simply stating that I am putting trust in the people managing finances of a billion dollar club and if they think that it's feasible, then what's the fuss?

I would understand if we back off because of price, I would also understand if the deal goes through. People claiming to know better, need to back up their claims.

 

[mav_9me]

It’s actually growing on me

Same here.

I like it

If I'm being honest, I never thought it was really that bad

If Sancho signs, I am absolutely getting it with his name on the back. I like it.

 

[treble_winner]

It's not my job to educate you about finance. If you think that we can just go out and spend 120 million euro on a player just like this because it's not your money, that's a very selfish, childish and naive thinking, especially right in the midst of a world pandemic.

Let's keep this post quoted here. So in case we successfully buy Sancho, people can use this to bash the Glazers and Woodward for being selfish, childish and naive in thinking right in the midst of a world pandemic.

 

[The Man Himself]

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He’s as confident as @altodevil

I don't know who this guy is but he can count me among one of the many followers he will gain if we get Sanchooo

 

[DevilRed]

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He’s as confident as @altodevil

Yes but I'm not believing it until Santan Dave confirms

 

[Suedesi]

-----------------De Gea-----------------
AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Shaw
----------Pogba-----Matic----------
Sancho--Fernandes--Rashford
-----------------Martial-----------------

Subs: Henderson, Bailly, Williams, Fred, McTominay, VDB, Greenwood



Not a Young, Jones, Smalling or Lingard in sight. What Ole has done with this squad compared to the teams Mourinho was still putting out near the end of his reign

Some question marks over the players in bold.

De Gea has got to prove it all over again. Also De Gea / Henderson situation can be tricky. Lindelof is not good enough for this club. Shaw is a sicknote. Matic is soooo slow and getting on agewise.
I still think we are weak defensively and it will show against proper teams.

 

[DevilRed]

Nobody thinks we need to complete the smalling deal before we have the funds to sign Sancho?

I think that could be part of the holdup.

 

[Gazza]

Some question marks over the players in bold.

De Gea has got to prove it all over again. Also De Gea / Henderson situation can be tricky. Lindelof is not good enough for this club. Shaw is a sicknote. Matic is soooo slow and getting on agewise.
I still think we are weak defensively and it will show against proper teams.

I agree - Matic’s position looks set to be our new RW, in that we’ll neglect it or sign the wrong type of player for ages. Maybe Ole has someone in mind from the academy or a future transfer. I have a feeling he doesn’t really rate Fred that much so it’s conceivable we’ll trade in him and Matic for an upgrade in a year or two.

 

[sammsky1]

That's not the point right? I am not claiming that we should do it or not. I am simply stating that I am putting trust in the people managing finances of a billion dollar club and if they think that it's feasible, then what's the fuss?

I would understand if we back off because of price, I would also understand if the deal goes through. People claiming to know better, need to back up their claims.

Been discussed and documented very articulately in this thread many times already. Do a search and you’ll find many excellent posts.

 

[sammsky1]

Some question marks over the players in bold.

De Gea has got to prove it all over again. Also De Gea / Henderson situation can be tricky. Lindelof is not good enough for this club. Shaw is a sicknote. Matic is soooo slow and getting on agewise.
I still think we are weak defensively and it will show against proper teams.

Not sure when we will have the funds to do these upgrades as I highly doubt next season will deliver enough surplus profit.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Been discussed and documented very articulately in this thread many times already. Do a search and you’ll find many excellent posts.

Fair enough.

 

[Suedesi]

Not sure when we will have the funds to do these upgrades as I highly doubt next season will deliver enough surplus profit.

Maybe this should be discussed in another thread, but I question the sanity of blowing 120m on Sancho (as good as he is) when we have other obvious holes to fill. Reguillon, Upamecano and a decent right winger would cost about that.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Its 6AM in Germany. Somebody get a pen for the lad to sign.

 

[croadyman]

Maybe this should be discussed in another thread, but I question the sanity of blowing 120m on Sancho (as good as he is) when we have other obvious holes to fill. Reguillon, Upamecano and a decent right winger would cost about that.

The trouble with that is Leipzig have no intention of selling Upamecano in this window and with Reguilon there is this issue with the buyback clause.

 

[Womp]

Maybe this should be discussed in another thread, but I question the sanity of blowing 120m on Sancho (as good as he is) when we have other obvious holes to fill. Reguillon, Upamecano and a decent right winger would cost about that.

We are close to having a top team that is able to compete. I don't think this is the time to take risks to save a few quid, if possible. With Sancho, a LB, Upamecano and a DM, the team is arguably complete. That's around two hundred million or so, over two to three years, which is very possible imo.

Whether it will happen, is another matter.

 

[TsuWave]

Not trying to hear anyone on redcafe talk about how viable it is to spend €120M.

“We blowing money fast on this side, catch up” - Edward Woodward

Drop the bags Woody

 

[BlackShark_80]

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[Tony247]

I would be excited if we get Sancho but if we get 3 good players in that same money instead then I would be equally excited too. Problem is I feel its too late to go for those many player. So may be it is either sancho or nothing from now on.

 

[Himannv]

Some question marks over the players in bold.

De Gea has got to prove it all over again. Also De Gea / Henderson situation can be tricky. Lindelof is not good enough for this club. Shaw is a sicknote. Matic is soooo slow and getting on agewise.
I still think we are weak defensively and it will show against proper teams.

I think bringing back Henderson might just be the right kind of competition that De Gea needs. He's got to be at his best now or someone else will take his place.

Hope Shaw stays fit. Anyway I agree with the rest of your post and those are probably the areas to look into in the next summer window.

 

[murali_red]

It's not my job to educate you about finance. If you think that we can just go out and spend 120 million euro on a player just like this because it's not your money, that's a very selfish, childish and naive thinking, especially right in the midst of a world pandemic.

Even during a pandemic glazes took out 20m dividend I think

 

[Redplane]

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I stand by the belief that United camp's silence says more than all the fluff coming out of Germany.

 

[mazhar13]

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Of course they'll say that. We've never made an offer or even possibly gotten in contact with their team. The fact that we're in touch with Sancho's agents means that this deal is still on.

The only way this deal isn't on is for the following reasons:

• We're lying the whole time.
• We're tapping up Sancho.

 

[Suedesi]

We are close to having a top team that is able to compete. I don't think this is the time to take risks to save a few quid, if possible. With Sancho, a LB, Upamecano and a DM, the team is arguably complete. That's around two hundred million or so, over two to three years, which is very possible imo.

Whether it will happen, is another matter.

I agree, with Sancho, an LB, Upamecano and a DM the team is arguably complete.

However, strategically, given how condensed the season will be, I go for 3 players (Reguillon, Upamecano and a DM) now rather than blowing the load on Sancho. Next season I go for Sancho.

United's starting 11 is as good as any in the league - we proved it by beating City home and away, beating Chelsea home and away, beating Leicester home and away, beating Spurs and drawing there. Our Achilles heel is when we can't field the starting 11. Therefore, and given the condensed season, strengthening the squad rather than the starting 11 should be the top priority.

My 2 pence.

 

[Suedesi]

The trouble with that is Leipzig have no intention of selling Upamecano in this window and with Reguilon there is this issue with the buyback clause.

Leipzig might be tempted at 5-10 million above the release clause (which kicks in next year) and Reguillon could be structured as a loan perhaps? I dunno, I'm just spitballing here.

 

[TsuWave]

Leipzig might be tempted at 5-10 million above the release clause (which kicks in next year) and Reguillon could be structured as a loan perhaps? I dunno, I'm just spitballing here.

So no idea if Upamecano, Reguillon and a decent right winger “would cost about that”, then?

 

[The Man Himself]

Have we lost @altodevil from the thread? Shame, but in every saga there are some muppet sacrifices. RIP.

The show must go on.

 

[SmallCaine]

I agree, with Sancho, an LB, Upamecano and a DM the team is arguably complete.

However, strategically, given how condensed the season will be, I go for 3 players (Reguillon, Upamecano and a DM) now rather than blowing the load on Sancho. Next season I go for Sancho.

United's starting 11 is as good as any in the league - we proved it by beating City home and away, beating Chelsea home and away, beating Leicester home and away, beating Spurs and drawing there. Our Achilles heel is when we can't field the starting 11. Therefore, and given the condensed season, strengthening the squad rather than the starting 11 should be the top priority.

My 2 pence.

While I agree with your logic, I think you are ignoring the fact that we have a free run on sancho this season. We won't next year.

Barcelona will want to replace messi, and if reports are to be believed, they want mane/neymar. If they don't get either i think sancho will be the next guy on the list. If they do get their first choice, this will leave either psg or Liverpool looking for a replacement who again will have sancho pretty high on their list.

Then there is the mbappe rumors, I definitely see madrid trying for mbappe, especially if hazard continue to fail.

This merry go round of wingers will see atleast 2 of barca, madrid and psg chase sancho. Can we actually beat those teams to a signing?

Upamecano will still be an option next year, outside of chelsea we are the only team that can guarantee him starting spot alongside high wages. Reguilon or some other lb will still be there next year, same for party and rice or any other dm we might want. Sancho might not be a realistic possibility nect season.

 

[Suedesi]

So no idea if Upamecano, Reguillon and a decent right winger “would cost about that”, then?

Upamecano 50, Reguillon 30, and that leaves 40 for a RW. Happy?

Also, we need to be more flexible in the structure of these deals, look at loans for example. Bayern Munich just won the treble with Perisic and Coutinho as loans. They went back to their respective clubs afterwards.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Upamecano 50, Reguillon 30, and that leaves 40 for a RW. Happy?

Also, we need to be more flexible in the structure of these deals, look at loans for example. Bayern Munich just won the treble with Perisic and Coutinho as loans. They went back to their respective clubs afterwards.

So...40m Brooks innit?

 

[sammsky1]

We are close to having a top team that is able to compete. I don't think this is the time to take risks to save a few quid, if possible. With Sancho, a LB, Upamecano and a DM, the team is arguably complete. That's around two hundred million or so, over two to three years, which is very possible imo.

Whether it will happen, is another matter.

we will barely break even next season due to Covid losses. Please show me your Financial thinking that makes it so.

 

[sammsky1]

I agree, with Sancho, an LB, Upamecano and a DM the team is arguably complete.

However, strategically, given how condensed the season will be, I go for 3 players (Reguillon, Upamecano and a DM) now rather than blowing the load on Sancho. Next season I go for Sancho.

United's starting 11 is as good as any in the league - we proved it by beating City home and away, beating Chelsea home and away, beating Leicester home and away, beating Spurs and drawing there. Our Achilles heel is when we can't field the starting 11. Therefore, and given the condensed season, strengthening the squad rather than the starting 11 should be the top priority.

My 2 pence.

Would you still do that if there was a likely scenario that you wouldn’t be able to afford Sancho next summer?

 

[Suedesi]

While I agree with your logic, I think you are ignoring the fact that we have a free run on sancho this season. We won't next year.

Barcelona will want to replace messi, and if reports are to be believed, they want mane/neymar. If they don't get either i think sancho will be the next guy on the list. If they do get their first choice, this will leave either psg or Liverpool looking for a replacement who again will have sancho pretty high on their list.

Then there is the mbappe rumors, I definitely see madrid trying for mbappe, especially if hazard continue to fail.

This merry go round of wingers will see atleast 2 of barca, madrid and psg chase sancho. Can we actually beat those teams to a signing?

Upamecano will still be an option next year, outside of chelsea we are the only team that can guarantee him starting spot alongside high wages. Reguilon or some other lb will still be there next year, same for party and rice or any other dm we might want. Sancho might not be a realistic possibility nect season.

Don't think Barcelona are a realistic option. They're skint. When is the last time they bought an English player? Lineker in the 80's? I also think Messi renews for what is worth.
Madrid spent a ton last year and they still have to somehow find the money for the renovation of Bernabeu. Not easy when you're foregoing 4-5m every matchday you're forced to play without fans in the stands.
PSG is a non-starter, I don't care how good they are, their league is crap. Sancho would be stupid to go there.

Anyways we'll see.

 

[Acquire Me]

Happy Sancho day

 

[Skeezix]

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I don't know who this guy is but he can count me among one of the many followers he will gain if we get Sanchooo

The guy in the video seems to be acquainted with Sancho (there are quite a few social media pics of them together), and he recently made the third kit unveiling video clip in collaboration with Adidas UK and United.
He might not be privy to the transfer regarding to Sancho, but I'm ready to call him Sir Harry the First if Sancho does move

 

[RiqCantona]

we will barely break even next season due to Covid losses. Please show me your Financial thinking that makes it so.

If there are any clubs which are financially stable, and can recover from losses during any situation - it would be us, Barca, Real and Bayern (Discounting PSG and City because their earning in disputed for obvious reasons). If these 4 clubs break-even, I would imagine that all other clubs in Europe would post huge losses. We're extremely privileged to be part of that group tbh.

 

[Suedesi]

Would you still do that if there was a likely scenario that you wouldn’t be able to afford Sancho next summer?

Yes - leaving aside Sancho FOMO, I think United is better served with 3 players in the areas indicated

 

[Suedesi]

So...40m Brooks innit?

Brooks is never worth 40m so no that's not it

 

[sammsky1]

Yes - leaving aside Sancho FOMO, I think United is better served with 3 players in the areas indicated

I agree with you,
Covid 2nd wave seems inevitable and will last til full vaccine roll out which is all of next season without serious stadium income.