Lingard, Mata and Rojo have contracts ending next year so at least we know for certain we won't have to deal with them much longer. Jones though, I don't think I'll ever get over us re-signing him last year until 2023 despite everything we know about him.
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I posted this before but:
Phil jones has a 3 year contract left, wages 11.7m.
Rojo has 1 year left, 4.16m wages
Smalling has 2 years left, 13.25m wages
Lingard Has 1 year, 4.68m
Pereira has 3 years, 4.68m
Romero(Not deadwood but likely to leave) has 1 year, 3.64M
Letting all these players go for nominal fees saves 42 million quid in wages, as well as whatever fees we get.
Its not advertised but the stupid long term contracts given to Jones and Rojo were obviously intended to protect asset value. Wouldnt be surprised if teams have bid for them and been quoted wildly unrealistic figures.
Phil jones has a 3 year contract left, wages 11.7m.
Rojo has 1 year left, 4.16m wages
Smalling has 2 years left, 13.25m wages
Lingard Has 1 year, 4.68m
Pereira has 3 years, 4.68m
Romero(Not deadwood but likely to leave) has 1 year, 3.64M
Letting all these players go for nominal fees saves 42 million quid in wages, as well as whatever fees we get.
Its not advertised but the stupid long term contracts given to Jones and Rojo were obviously intended to protect asset value. Wouldnt be surprised if teams have bid for them and been quoted wildly unrealistic figures.
The issue is noone is willing to pay them what we pay them, so why would they move.
I say loan out Pereira (could have good money for him after his spell in la liga), as well as Jones and Rojo.
Sell romero even if it is a small fee considering he cost us nothing, has 1 year left, is in mid 30's and deserves better than rotting away for year in reserves as 3rd choice keeper with the service he has given us over the years.
Sell lingard who I think will still have some admirers out there and helps that he isn't injury prone,
I think we will definitely sell smalling before the window closes seeing as its pointless him sticking around when ole clearly doesn't trust him.
Sell romero even if it is a small fee considering he cost us nothing, has 1 year left, is in mid 30's and deserves better than rotting away for year in reserves as 3rd choice keeper with the service he has given us over the years.
Sell lingard who I think will still have some admirers out there and helps that he isn't injury prone,
I think we will definitely sell smalling before the window closes seeing as its pointless him sticking around when ole clearly doesn't trust him.
Yeah still think Spurs could make a move for Lingard before the window shuts, in regards to Smalling I wouldn't be averse to him going to Inter if it meant we could get either some DM cover (Brozovic) or LW cover (Perisic). Yes we would still need to sign Sancho/Sarr on RW but either of those Inter players would at least give us options.
I'm not having Pereira is on a contract worth 90,000 a week, no chance.
55k
To play more than reserve football. Though in the case of Rojo and Jones they spend most of the time on an injury table so no one likely to offer more than a pay as you play. Laughable we ever extended the contract of either, Rojo should have been released in 2018
Covid has made things worse for us- wages have gone down.a bit so it s even more difficult for our deadwood to.find a club willing to pay what they re asking for
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I wouldnt be surprised if we renew Lingard and Mata again. I can see Rojo leaving as a free agent but I think our board is as stupid as to think that Mata can give an extra year and that Lingard has some value so we shouldn't lose him.
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We deserve it. We really deserve it.
We keep doing this, keep handing out deals to 'protect' non-existent value. All these players hanging about taking big pay. We've done it to ourselves and we keep doing it. We can't blame anyone else
It's the Sun, they print the most outrageous thing possible. Plus, if he scores a hattrick every game between now and Christmas we might consider it, so not all lies.
Surely that can't be true. The Sun is just making shit up, hopefully.
Woodward seems to be in total denial about how shite our second string players are. Nobody is paying more than £10m for Lingard. Nobody is paying actual money for the likes of Jones and Rojo. The club is being run into the ground by delusional feckwits.
I fully agree. Maybe we can ask Ortega or the Saudis to buy us and get rid of the real deadwood once and for all
Yeah its the Sun, but totally believable in the context of the feckwits in charge of the club......
All will get extended because we cant let people leave on free. Need to get a fee, no matter how unrealistic it is
The Sun is probably shit stirring. They know that everyone will jump on this.
That said, no one saw Phil Jones contract coming.
If you read our accounts then they count the players as almost 1billion Pounds worth of intangible assets Against a club value of 4.2 billion. They probably assign about 150 million quid of value to the deadwood so no interest in taking that off the club value i would have believed
Jones is only on £75k a week, that’s within the ballpark of what the likes of West Ham and Newcastle pay. People talking as if he’s on £180k a week.
I wish I had your optimism. I really do.
Why would they pay that to Jones when they can get players of equal ability and pay them half of that?
You realise £75k a week is more than what the likes of Andy Robertson and Trent Alexander-Arnold are on, right? We're paying these players more than what some of the best defenders in the country get. Then people wonder why we can't shift them.
I can see this.
Cant recall which thread it was, but it was on the caf someone posted a link that talked about the board and how they were unwilling to move on "their assets" (read: Deadwood) because they felt like the price on offer did not match their valuation.
Its depressing as feck and really shows that the higher ups are simply bean counters with zero knowledge about the sport, zero love for the club and zero ambition outside maintaining a steady revenue stream. Worst part is, its incredibly short sighted even from a financial standpoint
First of all, all these benchwarmers are just sitting on their arse and collecting premium wages, they are not marketable in the slightest and they contribute nada on the pitch. So while Woody and co are waiting for some imaginary buyer that is suddenly going to show up and hand them a big bag of money, they refuse to sell. Then you have the negative effect of worse results on the pitch. In this competitive climate you are not going to challenge for anything if half the squad are not up to standard
likes of Smalling if last summer we got offered 15m for him we would have bitten there hands off, accept the deal and let him go, same with James never going to make it here if we can get our money back do it and move on his confidence looks destroyed, Romero the same been an excellent servant when called upon but hes done his time here let him go for 7/8m and be done with it. Lingard really lacks the quality we want here so again if can get a fee of over 15m let him leave, Periera and TFM I would let go as well even if get 5m for each of them, take off there wages as well.
think we need to really be looking at certain players and think we just need to try get them to accept a pay off lets be honest Jones and Rojo no one is paying a fee for them for example could prob say the same with Mata,
think we need to really be looking at certain players and think we just need to try get them to accept a pay off lets be honest Jones and Rojo no one is paying a fee for them for example could prob say the same with Mata,
Let Romero leave on a free if a club comes in for him. He’s been a solid pro since arriving on a free. We don’t need him unfortunately.
Lingard will get an extension. Makes me sick in the mouth.
Pereira is a tough one. Don’t mind him staying if Lingard goes but pointless keeping both. Loan if no buyers.
Jones is a travesty of a situation. He will never be sold as no one would touch him with a barge pole. Joke of a players.
If only management was this simeple!
Lingard will get an extension. Makes me sick in the mouth.
Pereira is a tough one. Don’t mind him staying if Lingard goes but pointless keeping both. Loan if no buyers.
Jones is a travesty of a situation. He will never be sold as no one would touch him with a barge pole. Joke of a players.
If only management was this simeple!
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Seems we're the only big club with constant issues offloading deadwood probably due to being the only one that offers massive wages to average players consistently
Who could have known?
And yet OGS will be blamed by #OleOUT for playing them this season because he doesn't have any other options. Complete shitshow
We could have swept away most of the deadwood easily if our board weren't such a bunch of smooth brained incompetent turds.
Imagine how much more palatable missing out on Sancho would be if we'd cleared away Pereira (~£5m), Lingard (£10-15m), Romero and Rojo (nominal fees/released), and gone out and signed Brooks and/or Sarr, for example, early on.
Okay Brooks and Sarr are not (yet) anything close to world beaters, and either would probably have cost up to £40m, and signing either of them is not a valid alternative to signing Sancho. But the whole window would have taken on a much different complexion if we'd cleared more deadwood and upgraded Lingard with a decent looking prospect early on.
Imagine how much more palatable missing out on Sancho would be if we'd cleared away Pereira (~£5m), Lingard (£10-15m), Romero and Rojo (nominal fees/released), and gone out and signed Brooks and/or Sarr, for example, early on.
Okay Brooks and Sarr are not (yet) anything close to world beaters, and either would probably have cost up to £40m, and signing either of them is not a valid alternative to signing Sancho. But the whole window would have taken on a much different complexion if we'd cleared more deadwood and upgraded Lingard with a decent looking prospect early on.
Our club is a big mess.
This is what happens when almost all of our first teamers are on 6 figure or high 5 figure salaries. Even if the lower clubs want them, they can’t afford them.
I'm so sick of this from Woodward. You can't protect the value of assets that aren't liquid (in this case unsaleable). The club needs to recognize this and instead of protecting non-existent value learn how to cut their losses by letting these kinds of players leave on a free.
We could be more creative in getting these guys off our books - subsidised wages, only have to buy if play x number of games etc - they can be offloaded if we are creative
Why dont we loan these players out and let them atleast establish themselves and make it easier to sell later on(like Sanchez), I mean better than them staying here and not playing which is a lose lose.
Atleast some of the wages will be off the bill.
Atleast some of the wages will be off the bill.
I doubt even many of the lower clubs would want our deadwood.
James and Pereira would struggle to find Premier League clubs if they left and Jones and Rojo will only leave the club on free transfers - nobody is paying money for them. Lingard might fetch £15m from Newcastle or similar, but it's an appalling bunch of players.
The decision to hand Jones a new deal last year was utterly ridiculous.
Extending Jones was the worst offense in my eyes. We never planned on playing him and extended out of a desire to make sure he didn't leave for free (classic businessman's thinking) but failed to realize that by putting him on high wages, we were pricing him out of a move to the clubs that would actually take him. Moreso than the troubles with getting players in, it's the repeated overpaying of squad players that has been the worst development under Woodward's reign.
Barcelona paid off some players to leave. Juve did the same with Hiuguain.
We should consider that for some players. We already did with Sanchez.
We should consider that for some players. We already did with Sanchez.
Yeah. About to trigger Lingards. The Matic 3 year was also a stinker in my opinion.
That's not how it works. Player registrations had a value of £339m on the 2019 accounts which is mainly those we've paid significant fees for.
A lot of us have been making this point for a while. Our squad players make more than other club's squad players despite us being the more attractive club. And people on this forum still make the point that we shouldn't care what our squad players earn, when it's a huge problem to offload them. It clearly matters.
Just give Jones 30% of his contract and let him leave. He played less than 10 games last year. We really do not need him.
Romero: 1-2 millions max. We have 4 gks ffs, he is probably goning to play 2 games bar a huge injury crisis.
Lingard: 1-2 mil. max (big contract that ends soon, average player)
Rojo: 1 mil. max.
It is not about the money you receive from the fees, it is about the wages you do not pay in the future.
Romero: 1-2 millions max. We have 4 gks ffs, he is probably goning to play 2 games bar a huge injury crisis.
Lingard: 1-2 mil. max (big contract that ends soon, average player)
Rojo: 1 mil. max.
It is not about the money you receive from the fees, it is about the wages you do not pay in the future.