Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[hobbers]

I don't think there's a particularly good case for sacking Ole this exact second. But I can still see the way this season is going clear as day. All too familiar feel.

It's so frustrating because I don't want Woodward picking the next manager but that's 100% unavoidably going to be the case again.

 

[FatherWolff]

Absolutely shambles of a fan base! If you can’t enjoy a win, what’s the point? I’m going out celebrating, so enjoy your moan fest..

 

[sammsky1]

Jesus christ his post match interview. We aren't going anywhere further until he moves on.

What did he say wrong? He’s being honest unlike OleOUT who are constantly dishonest. We are behind in our pre season. Nothing that could be done about it, it is what it is. Deal with the realities of life and you’ll see that everything becomes easier

 

[MackRobinson]

This thread is great for example of why I would never want a fan running a football club. The knee-jerk reactions to Ole when United lose are comically childish.

 

[VP89]

What did he said?

Spoke broadly about how we showed great mentality to show a reaction twice to a Brighton goal. He said we drew too many games last season and pointed to today as some sort of progress. It was shocking and points to his view of management (solely focused on "mentality" and nothing else).

Spoke a bunch of air as a response to the reporter when he said "yeah but you did get lucky as the woodwork was hit 4-5 times".

 

[Yagami]

your right it is the perfect time to start looking for and hiring the right manager, we should sack ole today and come up with a plan tomorrow

I know you're being facetious, but the perfect time to hire the "right" manager - aka a modern day, progressive one - was after van Gaal. At the very latest. We've wasted so many years and continue to do so.

 

[VP89]

What did he say wrong? He’s being honest unlike OleOUT who are constantly dishonest. We are behind in our pre season. Nothing that could be done about it, it is what it is. Deal with the realities of life and you’ll see that everything becomes easier

How is he being honest? He pointed to this game as some form of progression because we drew a lot of games last year. He was chatting absolute shite about us showing great mentality when we were down in the 95th minute.

When we were losing games last year we did the same shit, attacked and huffed and puffed. Today we got a pen and thats feck all to do with mentality compared to last year.

The honest truth is we were utter shite and need to do a lot better because its not close to the standard required. Easy to say when you lost versus Palace, but bizzare to point to progress from a shit game like this where you are lucky not to lose.

 

[Cloud7]

If you cant take pleasure in finding a winner 10 minutes into injury time then perhaps football isn't your cup of tea.

I was bouncing off the walls when Rashford converted the penalty

I think I made this post sometime during Jose's time here, I'm not a 'my team winning gives me joy more than anything else' sort of person. I watch football because I enjoy the game, and I like watching enjoyable football being played. Nine times out of ten when you're playing good quality football you win anyway, so they tend to go hand in hand most times. In this instance the context is important. Had we come off the back of an excellent start to the season then I would have been happier with this, but as it is this is just a continuation of our ongoing malaise, so I can't find much enjoyment short of being glad we finally have our first three points. Hopefully the only way is up from here.

 

[Jaxa]

its a thread about sacking ole

The thread is about peoples opinions and if they think Ole should be sacked, not a thread about Ole being sacked and replaced this week which was the whole premise of your claim and attempted insult that I think I am a genius by saying something i never, get back to your bed pal you clearly woke up on the wrong side

 

[Water Melon]

Tough times for Ole. Allegri and Poch are available, tricky 3 games ahead. Edwood Woodwood will have to answer certain questions from the Board and investors, and Solskjaer will definetely be the scapegoat.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

The club is toxic behind the scenes. I think it's clear Glazers and Woodward are now effecting the team. Ole is looking a frustrated man.

 

[anant]

Why exactly are we abusing Ole today?

Beginning of last year, we absolutely dominated Wolves, Southampton, Palace and pretty much every team. At that time - we were shouting that it's the results. Today we literally did the opposite of what was going on last year, and now we're abusing the team for having dug deep to get the 3 points.

 

[MattofManchester]

His body language is almost, if not, as bad as Jose's was in his last season.

Doesn't really inspire confidence.

 

[Fracture90]

We just aren't coached well and either way you look at it, all is pointing to the manager. We look disjointed in every part of the team. Movement is poor, players running into each other's space, moving the ball at the snail's pace... those are all signs of a team that hasn't been drilled well enough by the manager and the coaching staff.

We got outclassed by CP and BHA, and to make things worse they looked far better coached than us. I understand that we need improvement in some areas but let us not pretend like this group of players is an absolute dross that is incapable of playing better than we are playing under Ole.

Our inability to create anything from a positional play is another sign of a poor coaching job, the only way we can create something is on the quick counter or from set pieces/penalities.

 

[sammsky1]

This thread is great for example of why I would never want a fan running a football club. The knee-jerk reactions to Ole when United lose are comically childish.

Luckily they are a tiny minority who only have a few threads in a football forum to spout their idiotic and fundamentalist views.
No one in the club takes them seriously. Basically a fourth column or oppo fans within your own club.

 

[sammsky1]

How is he being honest? He pointed to this game as some form of progression because we drew a lot of games last year. He was chatting absolute shite about us showing great mentality when we were down in the 95th minute.

When we were losing games last year we did the same shit, attacked and huffed and puffed. Today we got a pen and thats feck all to do with mentality compared to last year.

The honest truth is we were utter shite and need to do a lot better because its not close to the standard required. Easy to say when you lost versus Palace, but bizzare to point to progress from a shit game like this where you are lucky not to lose.

The honest truth is that the regulars in this thread are idiots for supporting Manchester United and would improve their mental health if they followed another club.

 

[red4ever 79]

We have been abit unfit because our pre season is messed up. It is what it is: but agenda driven ‘fans’ milking it to create toxicity to advance their agenda

A bit unfit. Are you fecking blind or stupid. We have been absolutely battered by two of the poorest teams in the Premier league. Holy moses today could have been 7-2 or something. AWB, Maguire Lindelof sell them all.

 

[K_Ash]

my sackwatch was "alerted" today with the selection of Lindelof.
I thought he was a pragmatic coach? play to your strength! currently our strength is in the midfield. Go with that Diamond-midfield. Protect Bruno and Paul

 

[SAFMUTD]

Spoke broadly about how we showed great mentality to show a reaction twice to a Brighton goal. He said we drew too many games last season and pointed to today as some sort of progress. It was shocking and points to his view of management (solely focused on "mentality" and nothing else).

Spoke a bunch of air as a response to the reporter when he said "yeah but you did get lucky as the woodwork was hit 4-5 times".

Not sure he could have said anything else, its not like he's going to say Im completely lost tactically and we were lucky today. Praising the players mentality is a good thing.

The only thing that bothers me is him speaking of this as some kind of progress thats a total lack of autocritic.

 

[VP89]

The honest truth is that the regulars in this thread are idiots for supporting Manchester United and would improve their mental health if they followed another club.

if we think Ole isnt the right man for the job you suggest supporting another club.

Give your head a wobble.

 

[VP89]

Not sure he could have said anything else, its not like he's going to say Im completely lost tactically and we were lucky today. Praising the players mentality is a good thing.

The only thing that bothers me is him speaking of this as some kind of progress thats a total lack of autocritic.

He blew a lot of air versus Palace saying it wasn't good enough. He could have done it today even though we won. Klopp/Pep 100% would have, Arteta too. Fergie also did a fair bit, when we were fortunate he would say he we won, but it's not good enough.

Of course, Ole could have said more. But he didn't, and I am worried he genuinely believes this game marks some form of progress.

 

[FootyGirl88]

my sackwatch was "alerted" today with the selection of Lindelof.
I thought he was a pragmatic coach? play to your strength! currently our strength is in the midfield. Go with that Diamond-midfield. Protect Bruno and Paul

I thought he was supposed to be an attacking coach?

 

[Fracture90]

Please quit with the 4231 stuff. It severely limits us

His persistence with 4231 really irks me.

 

[red4ever 79]

I thought he was supposed to be an attacking coach?

I thought he was supposed to be a coach. I guess we were all wrong.

 

[yfoFC]

It didn't cost us directly but him starting lindelof after all the shitshow and bigging up Bailly yesterday is on the same level as Jose sticking with Matic and Lukaku when they were having a bad run

I find myself not respecting him as much after this game..

 

[MackRobinson]

Why exactly are we abusing Ole today?

Beginning of last year, we absolutely dominated Wolves, Southampton, Palace and pretty much every team. At that time - we were shouting that it's the results. Today we literally did the opposite of what was going on last year, and now we're abusing the team for having dug deep to get the 3 points.

What‘s wrong with you? Logic isn’t allowed in this thread. You are supposed to be hurling insults at Ole no matter the circumstance.

See @Mainoldo posts for examples

 

[Adisa]

Thank God I don't run a club. You have a manager you are convinced is not up to the job but an awful time in the season to sack him.
The last few pages with people arguing back and fourth will be the order of the day until his position is no longer tenable. Dreading it tbh.
When I look at a manager (even one with a shit board but has spent north of £200m), I look at progression and evolution of performances. How does the team play, what style, even on an off day, how are the fundamentals of their game? Just look at how Klopp's side evolved over a four year span. From the day he arrived, you know what he was trying to do. And on average his team got better and better at it with every passing month.
What are we trying to do? What is Ole trying to do? He keeps talking about being the fittest, most aggressive side. Is anyone seeing it or I am blind? We are slowly approaching two years and all anyone can talk about is "get better players". How long are we going to do this for?

 

[Foxbatt]

The honest truth is that the regulars in this thread are idiots for supporting Manchester United and would improve their mental health if they followed another club.

I guess you start supporting United after we started winning trophies.

 

[Nuel]

I thought he was supposed to be an attacking coach?

Yeah. Maybe he thinks he has given the fans as much attack as we deserve to see.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Worried for Ole. Performances will want to pick up asap.

 

[r0663664]

Everton is flying with a big time manager. They will get somewhere this season. Ole??? No comparison.

 

[red4ever 79]

Worried for Ole. Performances will want to pick up asap.

I'm not worried for him. I couldnt care less if he is fired this evening or not. The club from top to bottom is a circus.

 

[SAFMUTD]

A good coach would have still seen our massive problems at the 2nd post.

Any average one would have.

 

[onetwo3oclock4oclockrock]

If we divide the 93 games Ole has managed us, in first 46 and last 47, he has got a win percentage of 59,5% in his second period. That is the same as Sir Alex. Progress.
In his last 28 games, he has only lost 3, and has got a win % of 67,8. Progress.

Yes we are in poor form. I think an already short preseason, cut even shorter by Europa League is a fair excuse. Lets give him a couple of more games to get the team back in shape before we sack him, no?

 

[PlayerOne]

Calling for Ole to be sacked after 3 games, after getting 3rd last year is beyond harsh, he deserves more time.

But there are some worrying signs there and we clearly need to bring some more players in.

But I understand the concerns, we don't look well coached, some of the team selection and subs were poor, but hopefully it gets better with Sancho and a defender, as unlikely as that sounds.

 

[SAFMUTD]

He blew a lot of air versus Palace saying it wasn't good enough. He could have done it today even though we won. Klopp/Pep 100% would have, Arteta too. Fergie also did a fair bit, when we were fortunate he would say he we won, but it's not good enough.

Of course, Ole could have said more. But he didn't, and I am worried he genuinely believes this game marks some form of progress.

Thats whats worrying, its seems the truely sees this as progress. In that case we're in an even worst position that I thought.

 

[Withnail]

We look like a team that isn´t being coached very well. We play without any cohesion in attack, midfield and in the defence. This is the fault of manager and the coaches that train the team every day. We get bailed out at times due to individual quality. This team needs better coaching and a game plan with some structure.

What we look like is a team during pre-season which is effectively what we are.

We're having to get match fit while playing proper matches.

 

[anant]

What‘s wrong with you? Logic isn’t allowed in this thread. You are supposed to be hurling insults at Ole no matter the circumstance.

See @Mainoldo posts for examples

I'm not going to do that. Have had way too many arguments with him towards the end of last season.

The issue with Ole Outers is that it seems they were actually cheering for Brighton today. Ofcourse, I realize that we were hopeless today, however, it seems that this was one of those games after which Ole couldn't have been appreciated no matter how the game would have gone

 

[TsuWave]

The guy has to go

 

[SAFMUTD]

Thank God I don't run a club. You have a manager you are convinced is not up to the job but an awful time in the season to sack him.
The last few pages with people arguing back and fourth will be the order of the day until his position is no longer tenable. Dreading it tbh.
When I look at a manager (even one with a shit board but has spent north of £200m), I look at progression and evolution of performances. How does the team play, what style, even on an off day, how are the fundamentals of their game? Just look at how Klopp's side evolved over a four year span. From the day he arrived, you know what he was trying to do. And on average his team got better and better at it with every passing month.
What are we trying to do? What is Ole trying to do? He keeps talking about being the fittest, most aggressive side. Is anyone seeing it or I am blind? We are slowly approaching two years and all anyone can talk about is "get better players". How long are we going to do this for?

Cant blame anything on him until we buy him a completely worldclass XI it seems.