Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[Pexbo]

Sometimes in business you have to humour the other side to get what you want.

Maybe we didn't want to work to a deadline? Understandable. Still, its their asset we want (and, supposedly, we do want him), so maybe we have to give a little.

There are ways to deal with that kind of thing without necessarily knocking anyone's nose out of joint.

What have we gained by dismissing them out of hand if it means they're completely unwilling to deal now? We might feel chuffed with ourselves but it still means we risk running an 18 year old kid into the ground cos we have nobody else of real class.

So you’re saying we should have humoured them by paying exactly what they demand when they demanded it. Give over.

 

[clarkydaz]

Sure, I Agree that Dortmund shouldn't be imposing their own deadlines.

I mean Ed has every right to go out and shit on Leipzig's doorstep and demand Upamecano for £2.50 and kit-kat. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right though

Why, who do they replace him with Sunday night when we put a serious bid in? Their player, their terms

 

[VP89]

Why, who do they replace him with Sunday night when we put a serious bid in? Their player, their terms

Their terms are unreasonable, and they have eluded to this indirectly by still being open to a sale provided we cough up the asking price.

 

[Ali Dia]

German fans and clubs are such a snowflakes. It is our right as a buyer to offer 5 mil for Sancho or Upamecano or Dembele or whoever. Selling club have every right to say no or yes or say their price.
There is no stupid offer, there is only stupid answer. I don't mind when Dormunt say 120 mil or nothing. But all those tweets and things around transfer are small club mentality.

i think it’s attesting to the fact that we just rock up, no dialogue, make a shit offer, the inevitable media flurry follows and we feck off. Its pointless. It’s not really how you do business if you’re serious about getting a player or developing relationships with other clubs . We are going to be going back to Dortmund for Haaland or Bellingham anyway. We may as well develop some goodwill there.

 

[#07]

So you’re saying we should have humoured them by paying exactly what they demand when they demanded it. Give over.

A good start would have been to say something in response rather than radio silence.

Maybe if we had taken the time to explain that it would not be possible to meet that deadline and why, it could have kept the lines of communication open?

Klaverkamp claims Zorc and Woodward spoke on the phone and, basically, after that we ignored Dortmund even after the extended the initial deadline. Not exactly the way to keep them sweet was it?

 

[Tarrou]

Is there any chance we could sign him for 90m-100m in reality but agree with Dortmund that we'll publicly say it was 120m?

We did that with Leeds when signing Cantona

we're a public company so no chance of that

 

[Fridge chutney]

I'm back off the train. I don't think this is happening this summer

 

[Brownie85]

A good start would have been to say something in response rather than radio silence.

Maybe if we had taken the time to explain that it would not be possible to meet that deadline and why, it could have kept the lines of communication open?

Klaverkamp claims Zorc and Woodward spoke on the phone and, basically, after that we ignored Dortmund even after the extended the initial deadline. Not exactly the way to keep them sweet was it?

We really have no idea whats been said or done behind the scenes.
How do you know we've not tried to talk to Dortmund directly and they've been palming us off to their intermediateries? How do we know that since we had that rejected bid, we've not been in contact quite a bit as Dortmund now know we're serious about buying and not just all talk. We only know what the media tell us, and what both clubs WANT us to hear. What they say behind closed doors will remain just that, behind closed doors and away from us.

 

[Chief123]

I'm back off the train. I don't think this is happening this summer

You’ve been on and off the train more times than a ticket dodger!

 

[Fridge chutney]

You’ve been on and off the train more times than a ticket dodger!

I know, this thread and saga has been a rollercoaster. I should have just kept my scepticism high and hopes low...

 

[Joseunited]

I'm back off the train. I don't think this is happening this summer

Fecking hell there's only a couple of days left for God's sake don't give in now.

 

[laughtersassassin]

This window has been an absolute joke and will set us back years once again.

And Covid isn't an excuse, look at the other Prem teams.

 

[Amir]

Not seen anything from Sky to be fair, but Jan is always at his keyboard ready to urinate on our hopes. He must get all excited at the prospect.
IF and it's a huge IF we pull this off, he's going to get so much hate

Considering the fact Sancho is still not a United player and it's highly doubtful he will, I'd say Fjortoft has been writing the truth (at least from his point of view) and United fans have problems accepting it.

 

[#07]

We really have no idea whats been said or done behind the scenes.
How do you know we've not tried to talk to Dortmund directly and they've been palming us off to their intermediateries? How do we know that since we had that rejected bid, we've not been in contact quite a bit as Dortmund now know we're serious about buying and not just all talk. We only know what the media tell us, and what both clubs WANT us to hear. What they say behind closed doors will remain just that, behind closed doors and away from us.

You are right, we are just getting stories different interested parties want us to hear. You are also right that its not clear which story is closest to the reality.

For me, however, this version of the truth seems to explain how circumstances have played out best.

If, indeed, Dortmund have not seriously engaged with the idea of Sancho leaving for a long time it makes sense of the timeline of contradictory tales. If it suited someone to imply some big negotiation was going on, it explains why ages ago journalists allegedly close to Sancho were saying personal terms weren't an issue only for journalists close to the club to come back and claim they definitely were and had held up progress until recently.

If this has all been some elaborate performance then making out we can't deal with the club because of X, Y and Z makes the timeline of news articles and briefings make sense.

It has suited someone to make out some torturous negotiation has been going on. However, the truth is, the German side has been cold for ages. Even the briefings in the German media seem to have gone quiet weeks ago. It has been almost exclusively English sources beating the drum for this. Again, this makes sense if Dortmund won't deal at less than their asking price and don't have any expectation of United meeting it.

 

[Artimities]

Regardless of Sancho.... something has to happen this weekend. There is no way we finish Monday without atleast 2 new guys holding or wearing our jersey. Not long now fella's!
I'm still holding hope that he is coming, and I am quickly beginning to despise Dortmond

 

[Pexbo]

A good start would have been to say something in response rather than radio silence.

Maybe if we had taken the time to explain that it would not be possible to meet that deadline and why, it could have kept the lines of communication open?

Klaverkamp claims Zorc and Woodward spoke on the phone and, basically, after that we ignored Dortmund even after the extended the initial deadline. Not exactly the way to keep them sweet was it?

We have absolutely zero idea what has been going on in the background. By all accounts from both German and British press there has been constant dialog.

Everything Dortmund are doing is either PR or negotiation tactics. All the faux outrage and mixed messages of “Definitely not for sale anymore” followed by “they know the asking price”. They’re the selling club so they want to be as awkward as possible and put as much pressure on United as they can to drive the price up, United are keeping their powder dry because that’s how we have conducted transfers for the past few years.

People need to stop getting swept up with the narratives all parties are trying to drive here, everything is about getting as much for the player as possible, everything coming out of Dortmund’s side is theatre.

 

[clarkydaz]

Their terms are unreasonable, and they have eluded to this indirectly by still being open to a sale provided we cough up the asking price.

they knew exactly what the terms were, sorted the player and agent out months ago as we know they were given a 12th August deadline, it was all wrapped up before then bar the price. Weve started lowballing days before the window closes, no suprise they are pissed.

 

[#07]

We have absolutely zero idea what has been going on in the background. By all accounts from both German and British press there has been constant dialog.

Everything Dortmund are doing is either PR or negotiation tactics. All the faux outrage and mixed messages of “Definitely not for sale anymore” followed by “they know the asking price”. They’re the selling club so they want to be as awkward as possible and put as much pressure on United as they can to drive the price up, United are keeping their powder dry because that’s how we have conducted transfers for the past few years.

People need to stop getting swept up with the narratives all parties are trying to drive here, everything is about getting as much for the player as possible, everything coming out of Dortmund’s side is theatre.

I've said why I believe what I believe above. I don't recall much in the German media recently stating there has been ongoing dialogue. For weeks it seems mostly to have been driven by the English media and Di Marzio people.

Maybe we were always going to end up here. After all its Dortmund's prerogative to sell at the price they want to sell at. Lord knows we spent years looking for our money back on Darmian. My thought was maybe by playing nicer we could've avoided it becoming so fraught.

 

[Bird Nerd]

If Dortmund weren't so smug they would ask for Romero in the deal. Because Burki is pure garbage in my eyes.

 

[MattofManchester]

Wtf is with these opposite media reports??

Why would Sky report that he's not in training if that weren't true?

Why would Fjortoft report he was in training if that wasn't true?

Dafuq is wrong with media these days.

Also, no pictures of training?

 

[Sky1981]

The only one harping about anything is some twitter media whose not even exclusive. They post some general statement most of the muppets assume are leaked from club.

Maybe the truth is nothings happening or something is happening but they're none the wiser

 

[vanderpants]

Regardless of Sancho.... something has to happen this weekend. There is no way we finish Monday without atleast 2 new guys holding or wearing our jersey. Not long now fella's!
I'm still holding hope that he is coming, and I am quickly beginning to despise Dortmond

Nothing has to happen, possibility we won't bring in anyone and the more time ticks by the more likely it is

 

[VP89]

they knew exactly what the terms were, sorted the player and agent out months ago as we know they were given a 12th August deadline, it was all wrapped up before then bar the price. Weve started lowballing days before the window closes, no suprise they are pissed.

I dont have a problem with them sticking to price, but an artificial deadline is bollocks.

They themselves know it's bollocks because they are still open to the deal if the money is put forward. So yeah, it's a bullshit term that really meant feck all.

 

[Pexbo]

I've said why I believe what I believe above. I don't recall much in the German media recently stating there has been ongoing dialogue. For weeks it seems mostly to have been driven by the English media and Di Marzio people.

Maybe we were always going to end up here. After all its Dortmund's prerogative to sell at the price they want to sell at. Lord knows we spent years looking for our money back on Darmian. My thought was maybe by playing nicer we could've avoided it becoming so fraught.

Ok so on the flip side, let’s assume that actually Dortmund do want or even need to sell and and all this bluster has been designed to get the best price possible. If we end up bringing in Dembele on loan and their left holding they’re dicks as the window closes and in a years time as clubs have gone a year without fans in the stadium and finances are even more dire and the market slumps even more. How do you think their insistence for £120m this year will look when top class players are being auctioned off cheap because clubs are struggling to cover their wages?

 

[Tony247]

Sure, I Agree that Dortmund shouldn't be imposing their own deadlines.

I disagree with this though. No one is saying United have no right to bid low amounts. They can do what they like, but with that comes consequences of bemusement and dissatisfaction from dealing perspectives. It makes it look like what might be the truth - we have no fecking idea what we're doing.

I mean Ed has every right to go out and shit on Leipzig's doorstep and demand Upamecano for £2.50 and kit-kat. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right though

90m (if that was correct) is no way low balling, even with achievable add ons. A club committing almost fraking 90m in covid times when people are losing jobs itself can be questionable in common sense, but not a low ball offer in any sense.

 

[Chief123]

Wtf is with these opposite media reports??

Why would Sky report that he's not in training if that weren't true?

Why would Fjortoft report he was in training if that wasn't true?

Dafuq is wrong with media these days.

Also, no pictures of training?

Sky’s report of him not being in training is because Gary the prat from sky was stood outside looking for Sancho’s car to arrive at training which it didn’t.

But Dortmund reporting he trained alone. Whether that means at the training ground, who knows? Or maybe he came in a car with someone else. Or maybe Dortmund just chatting BS.

 

[GledTheRed]

90m (if that was correct) is no way low balling, even with achievable add ons. A club committing almost fraking 90m in covid times when people are losing jobs itself can be questionable in common sense, but not a low ball offer in any sense.

Especially when the cnuts poached him for 8 million.

Love to see it cnuts they are.

 

[sewey89]

Forgot today was the CL draw. It’ll be tomorrow that this gets done

 

[#07]

Ok so on the flip side, let’s assume that actually Dortmund do want or even need to sell and and all this bluster has been designed to get the best price possible. If we end up bringing in Dembele on loan and they’re left holding they’re dicks as the window closes and in a years time as clubs have gone a year without fans in the stadium and finances are even more dire and the market slumps even more. How do you think their insistence for £120m this year will look when top class players are being auctioned off cheap because clubs are struggling to cover their wages?

It will look like they made the wrong choice. I did not judge our approach to the transfer like that however. I judged it based on the idea that we wanted Sancho. If that's your target you do what you can to try to make it happen.

Its irrelevant to me, on a personal level, whether we sign Sancho or not. There are literally dozens of right wingers who would instantly improve our squad. Had I been employed as Matt Judge's understudy I would have politely acknowledged Dortmund's position, ended all contact in August and moved on to another target.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Sancho trained alone, so his wantaway attitude did not spread to the rest of the team

 

[Reapersoul20]

So Gary Coterril from Sky has been stood outside Dortmund training all day and said Sancho did not turn up to training today.

Dortmund are reporting he trained but it was alone away from the rest of the squad.

Getting juicy.

Why would he train if he has a respiratory infection? That doesn't really make sense, does it? Even if it was just a cold....you rest to get rid of it.

Hmmmm....

 

[reddevilchennai]

With the teams we have been drawn in CL, signing Sancho is a must if we want to get past the group stages! Hope Dortmund don't raise the price by 10m!

 

[sammsky1]

SOS for Sancho.

 

[Adnan]

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[VP89]

90m (if that was correct) is no way low balling, even with achievable add ons. A club committing almost fraking 90m in covid times when people are losing jobs itself can be questionable in common sense, but not a low ball offer in any sense.

It may well be deemed as such if the price is non negotiable.

 

[United58]

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After our CL draw, he'll be better with one more year at Dortmund anyway

 

[Pexbo]

It will look like they made the wrong choice. I did not judge our approach to the transfer like that however. I judged it based on the idea that we wanted Sancho. If that's your target you do what you can to try to make it happen.

Its irrelevant to me, on a personal level, whether we sign Sancho or not. There are literally dozens of right wingers who would instantly improve our squad. Had I been employed as Matt Judge's understudy I would have politely acknowledged Dortmund's position, ended all contact in August and moved on to another target.

God knows how many players we’d have missed out on with this attitude.

My entire point is that negotiations are just a mixture of a dick swinging contest and a game of chicken. Everything you see in the press is just bluster and you begin to judge a window at 00:01 when the window has shut.

 

[sammsky1]

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He wants to play vs PSG and Leipzig!!

@Adnan : do we stand any chance vs Liepzig? Am looking forward to all your thoughts and commentary on that game!

 

[K_Ash]

with a CL group like that, safe to say that Sancho will be signed unless you want OGS to fail (Woodward)

 

[sammsky1]

Its irrelevant to me, on a personal level, whether we sign Sancho or not. There are literally dozens of right wingers who would instantly improve our squad. Had I been employed as Matt Judge's understudy I would have politely acknowledged Dortmund's position, ended all contact in August and moved on to another target.

Which is why you are not Judge’s assistance