Ousmane Dembele

[Redcy]

How is Dembele a mercenary?

Only interested in a permanent deal, shows that he doesnt believe in his ability to impress. Probably reckons he can get five seasons at 250k barely playing.

 

[Garethw]

We should be looking at a loan signing with an obligation to buy subject to him being available for selection for 75% of our games this season.

If Barcelona reject the clause then walk away.

 

[Pav1878]

Mercenary is the wrong word for sure. Apathetic perhaps? My question is why do we want players who we have to kill ourselves over to convince them to join us? That hasn't ended well for us recently and I'm sick of this club being an island full of misfit toys.

Very true. But those who have been very happy to join such as Maguire, AWB and James have been awful too. Sometimes it's about getting the right qualities in and then down to the manager to get them working for the team.

 

[crossy1686]

If we sign him permanently than the Sancho deal is dead for good

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

The Sancho or nobody attitude is getting boring, if Dembele can stay fit he’d be as a good a signing and miles better than anything we’ve got right now. Rest assured if we don’t get Sancho and Dembele ends up somewhere else, stays fit and performs this forum would go into meltdown.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

We seem happy to join the race for Upamecano next summer,not saying I agree with that approach but just looks that way to me

And let it drag out for ever no doubt

 

[Siorac]

its reminicent of DiMaria, plus this guy it appears cant stay fit. Not the players fault, just goes against the spiel the club churn out about culture reset etc

Yeah, I agree with that, it's just mercenary is the wrong word to use.

I'd still take him on a loan, mind you. Signing him permanently would be insane.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

We should be looking at a loan signing with an obligation to buy subject to him being available for selection for 75% of our games this season.

If Barcelona reject the clause then walk away.

They’re desperate to get rid. He doesn’t look like a Koeman type

 

[Redcy]

He is more Falcao than di Maria, can't see why we would need to agree personal terms if its a loan deal.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

It looks like Dembele sees that Barca don't really want him anymore, and he likely won't get another contract there. So he's wanting a permanent deal so he can get a fresh long contract from a club with big money. A loan just winds down his current contract further.

I may well be entirely wrong here, but given his injury history and these rumours about his attitude, it doesn't paint a promising picture.

 

[Redcy]

We should be looking at a loan signing with an obligation to buy subject to him being available for selection for 75% of our games this season.

If Barcelona reject the clause then walk away.

No way Barca would be willing to bet on that he hasn't been available for 40% of the games in the last 2 years, so that would be too big a gamble for Barca

 

[jackal&hyde]

The Sancho or nobody attitude is getting boring, if Dembele can stay fit he’d be as a good a signing and miles better than anything we’ve got right now. Rest assured if we don’t get Sancho and Dembele ends up somewhere else, stays fit and performs this forum would go into meltdown.

Supposedly Liverpool wanted him but he rejected them, wanting to play instead of being second choice to Mane and Salah. Doesn't sound like a mercenary to me and instead desperate to prove himself.

 

[Redcy]

It looks like Dembele sees that Barca don't really want him anymore, and he likely won't get another contract there. So he's wanting a permanent deal so he can get a fresh long contract from a club with big money. A loan just winds down his current contract further.

I may well be entirely wrong here, but given his injury history and these rumours about his attitude, it doesn't paint a promising picture.

You do know he is refusing to sign an extended deal with Barca?

 

[DanClancy]

United just got to hold their nerve, he'll come here on loan. Barca can't afford to let a player who has less than 2 years left on his contract rot on their bench whilst his value depreciates. At least if he comes here it might generate plenty of interest in him.

 

[RashyForPM]

How is Dembele a mercenary?

People like making thoughtless comments.

 

[Redcy]

Supposedly Liverpool wanted him but he rejected them, wanting to play instead of being second choice to Mane and Salah. Doesn't sound like a mercenary to me and instead desperate to prove himself.

But only if he is guaranteed 250k a week for the next 5 years

 

[Judas]

Only interested in a permanent deal, shows that he doesnt believe in his ability to impress. Probably reckons he can get five seasons at 250k barely playing.

Just a few conclusions jumped to there mate well done.

 

[Smores]

The fee needs to be low enough to balance the risk that his injury troubles persist and we'll be paying wages for nothing. Include sell on clauses if needed but keep it bloody low.

 

[croadyman]

Just a few conclusions jumped to there mate well done.

Surely this will reach stalemate because Utd only want a loan deal whereas Barca are looking for permanent sale

 

[croadyman]

The fee needs to be low enough to balance the risk that his injury troubles persist and we'll be paying wages for nothing. Include sell on clauses if needed but keep it bloody low.

What fee are we talking

 

[Redcy]

Just a few conclusions jumped to there mate well done.

You may be right, maybe he really wants a permanent deal so he can fully commit to United and feel like he is truly wanted by us. I dunno, when I see someone say he only wants a perm deal I have to think that maybe even he is worried about his injuries and that if he has to prove himself next year he wont get an offer of 250k a week having played 15 games in two years.

 

[littlepeasoup]

Anyone else trust a club who gave Phil Jones a long-term contract to hash out a deal where we're not completely shafted? No, me either.

 

[Lash]

Don't ever see Sancho joining now,therefore I have decided to accept that fact now

Yep, sadly, I'm with ya pal.

 

[jackal&hyde]

But only if he is guaranteed 250k a week for the next 5 years

That's your opinion though. He could also want to be settled at a club to restart his career rather then jump from club to club. All players want to feel wanted, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Redcy]

What fee are we talking

65m according to most papers, but could be full of shit, minimum will be 45 I would guess

 

[croadyman]

Yep, sadly, I'm with ya pal.

Accept the fact that just maybe we can help this guy find his mojo again

 

[Redcy]

That's your opinion though. He could also want to be settled at a club to restart his career rather then jump from club to club. All players want to feel wanted, nothing wrong with that.

Yep its all opinions. I would be willing to try and prove myself given that noone could really be expected to stump up 250k week for someone who has not played in 2020, and has barely played since August 2019. Yet he feels he is owed a 5 year contract at massive wages based on what exactly?

 

[SATA]

Anyone knows how much is he on a week with Barca?

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Supposedly Liverpool wanted him but he rejected them, wanting to play instead of being second choice to Mane and Salah. Doesn't sound like a mercenary to me and instead desperate to prove himself.

Which is why I’d take a punt on him is we can negotiate a reasonable fee and contract.

 

[Garethw]

The fee needs to be low enough to balance the risk that his injury troubles persist and we'll be paying wages for nothing. Include sell on clauses if needed but keep it bloody low.

Or that the full transfer fee is heavily reliant on him being fit and playing. Like say €25 million guaranteed fee Up front with €30 million after 100 appearances Or something like that.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Why would we negotiate personal terms if it's a loan? I reckon we'll get him permanently.

It's all fecking made up bullshit mate

 

[Redcy]

Anyone knows how much is he on a week with Barca?

£200k, permanent move here would have to see him get more you would assume

 

[Redcy]

Or that the full transfer fee is heavily reliant on him being fit and playing. Like say €25 million guaranteed fee Up front with €30 million after 100 appearances Or something like that.

Barca won't do that, they will consider 65m a knock down bargain price

 

[jackal&hyde]

Yep its all opinions. I would be willing to try and prove myself given that noone could really be expected to stump up 250k week for someone who has not played in 2020, and has barely played since August 2019. Yet he feels he is owed a 5 year contract at massive wages based on what exactly?

I can see your point. The way I see it, if it doesn't work out I think we can still get back 20-30 mil for a player of his talent. His youth plays a big role here.

 

[rotherham_red]

The Sancho or nobody attitude is getting boring, if Dembele can stay fit he’d be as a good a signing and miles better than anything we’ve got right now. Rest assured if we don’t get Sancho and Dembele ends up somewhere else, stays fit and performs this forum would go into meltdown.

For the right player, it is absolutely the correct attitude. Klopp had the same with VVD, it didn't turn out too shabbily for him.

 

[Redcy]

I can see your point. The way I see it, if it doesn't work out I think we can still get back 20-30 mil for a player of his talent. His youth plays a big role here.

We can't get players of our books now lets be honest, to the point we are talking about giving away players. This mainly comes down to our wages. If we give him £250k a week who is going to buy him in two years time when he has played 35 games? We can't sell Lingard, Smalling, etc due to wages of 75-100k a week. If we get him I hope it pays off because getting Dembele this year at 50-60m means we don't get Sancho for certain (tbh if we didn't get him this year I think that game was up)

 

[Smores]

Barca won't do that, they will consider 65m a knock down bargain price

What's the non knocked down price then?

Havertz just went for 75 million is Dembele any better than the German?

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

For the right player, it is absolutely the correct attitude. Klopp had the same with VVD, it didn't turn out too shabbily for him.

Klopp is an elite manager who can turn good players into very good players and very good players into world class ones. Unfortunately we don’t have that and rely on individual moments of brilliance. As I said in the other thread, if we do land Sancho don’t expect the same level of output he gives Dortmund.

 

[SATA]

What's the non knocked down price then?

Havertz just went for 75 million is Dembele any better than the German?

I think Dembele is better mate, at least from his BVB days

 

[Annihilate Now!]

For the right player, it is absolutely the correct attitude. Klopp had the same with VVD, it didn't turn out too shabbily for him.

They waited, but they also bought a CB in in Matip if I remember correctly? (On a free, but still, it's a centre back to play)

Might be wrong on this, @Klopper76 or @RobinLFC ?