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We ended up nearer in points to Watford who was in 19th than Liverpool. That's how far off the mark we were last year. Top 4 or not, that's just embarrassing for the club.You still have avoided the question.
what was your expectation of our league position?1st? Top 4?
what was your expectation in the cups?
Even more nonsense are those pulling out an issue or claiming friction between players and supposed rival dressing room camps straight out of their behinds and running with it when there's been nothing of the sort reported or even implied by anyone associated to the club outside of the Maguire bust upFernandes and Ole have seemed to always have a brilliant relationship, but suddenly Bruno has lost trust in Ole just because he subbed him off in a game which was already lost?
This story is nonsense. Can’t believe this thread has 7 pages
Different era but yeah. Hard to trust the media these days. Not about reporting facts as much as click bait. Now that the transfer window is over this is an easy piece to write considering our predicament.You would never hear of a player doing this under Ferguson. Ole looks like he is losing the players faith.
Sorry I am deluded as in more than half of the fan base think Ole will take the squad to a title or less?Half? Utter delusion.
I'm not trying to 'protect' Ole. Just saying that if these cnuts force him out, they force the next guy out and so forth.I gave 6 to make a point - you can point to VDB, Matic, DDG/Henderson, etc.
Your squad is never full of top players from top to bottom, if that's what you're oddly trying to suggest. And it's not the worst its been in 40 years either, what a weird claim to protect the manager
Happy with that. The attitude in the squad stinks and has done for ages.Tell several other players to feck off then, because it's not just him. Reported by both Catles and others that several squad players doubt Ole.
That's what happens when we claim to still be the biggest club in the world while having absolutely nothing to back that up on the pitch for nearly 7 years running now. Add on the fact our biggest and most direct rivals are having their own golden era runs at the same time and the fanbase is understandably on edge more often than not.This club and fan base is absolutely toxic after a couple of defeats.
Sure but it’s all relative to expectations, we are not the team we once were but there’s no point just living in a shroud of misery as it’s just depressing to be around. This story is clearly bollocks and just screams of the media kicking a man when he’s down. A win against Newcastle and suddenly the sky is blue again.That's what happens when we claim to still be the biggest club in the world while having nothing to back that up on the pitch for nearly 7 years running now
Not really. Most recent victories have been appalling performances.Our squad isn't shit. Martial, Pogba, Rashford, VDB, Greenwood and Fernandes would all have plenty of takers from top clubs if they were for sale.
We lose a game, the players get the blame. We win a game, Ole gets credit. Rinse and repeat.
We had a better squad when Van Gaal was here.Did you sleep during LVG's reign or what? I don't blame you if you did, most of us were put to sleep by it too.
Not sure why you bring nationality into this?Do you believe Bruno is the only player at United that's not on board with Ole's tactics? Let's feck them all off and build a team of average English players that'll keep their mouths shut and accept the painful mediocrity.
I'm not saying we should, just giving context as to why things have gotten to this stage.Sure but it’s all relative to expectations, we are not the team we once were but there’s no point just living in a shroud of misery as it’s just depressing to be around. This story is clearly bollocks and just screams of the media kicking a man when he’s down. A win against Newcastle and suddenly the sky is blue again.
Yeh that’s fair enough and I’m not trying to say we should all sit with our fingers in our ears pretending everything is perfect as it’s clearly not the case. What irks me is people believing a story which is pure nonsense just to add to the weight of negativity. There’s no need.I'm not saying we should, just giving context as to why things have gotten to this stage.
I'm optimistic about the club when I see something to be optimistic about or have a feeling that we're building towards something good.
For a few months towards the end of last season and the start of the summer, I was feeling as optimistic as ever about the state of the club thinking we had turned a corner finally only to see the club subsequently revert to the same old self-defeating practices that have led us in our current predicament.
I believe the mood around the fanbase and media is reflective of what's being exhibited at the club right now so I'm not at all surprised or thinking the concerns and mood are u justified. When things are going well on the pitch and off the entire vibe changes accordingly and it's always been that way.
We seem to be perpetually in a state of rebuild. Trotsky would admire our Permanent Revolution credentials.Not sure why you bring nationality into this?
Anyway, a huge clear out and rebuild is exactly what the club is crying out for. Regardless of who is the manager.
I'm not talking about the previous mangers, but it's clear before these reports surfaced that the current one has zero managerial pedigree to warrant his position at the club.I'm not trying to 'protect' Ole. Just saying that if these cnuts force him out, they force the next guy out and so forth.
We have a mediocre squad on big money who have too much player power. The club has tried sacking countless managers but the culture in the squad remains.
Ok, which squad in the last 40 years was worse than this?
Irrelevant to what i'm sayingI'm not talking about the previous mangers, but it's clear before these reports surfaced that the current one has zero managerial pedigree to warrant his position at the club.
News of players doubting him is wholly unsurprising. I'm not entertaining your question about squad quality because with all due respect, I think the view is a pile of bollocks.
This is the best squad we've had for the entirety of the post SAF era. Our CM is stronger than it's been for a long time. Our defense hasn't actually lost anyone bar Smalling, it's been the same people here, just being added on top of each other. As for our attack, I would have Rashford/Martial/Greenwood over any attack we've had since SAF left.Irrelevant to what i'm saying
If it's such bollocks you'd easily be able to name a worse squad in the last 40 years... but you can't.
That's not naming a squad.This is the best squad we've had for the entirety of the post SAF era. Our CM is stronger than it's been for a long time. Our defense hasn't actually lost anyone bar Smalling, it's been the same people here, just being added on top of each other. As for our attack, I would have Rashford/Martial/Greenwood over any attack we've had since SAF left.
Vangle's squad during this tenure here was worse than this. Mourinho's squad was worse than this. Hell, Ole's squad when he just started out was worse than this. Moyes is debatable since he inherited the former champions, but a lot of them were on the way down.That's not naming a squad.
Which squad in the last 40 years in worse than this?
Of course I can, I'm just not entertaining the bullshit. You can take the squad LVG left behind as one example, the squad SAF inherited as another. You can point to Jose's squad too.Irrelevant to what i'm saying
If it's such bollocks you'd easily be able to name a worse squad in the last 40 years... but you can't.
Yep. Even the Maguire bust up was just Bruno having a go at an underperforming player, which the media has turned into a big drama. This squad, while obviously pretty low on genuine quality, is quite clearly a tight-knit one.Even more nonsense are those pulling out an issue or claiming friction between players and supposed rival dressing room camps straight out of their behinds and running with it when there's been nothing of the sort reported or even implied by anyone associated to the club outside of the Maguire bust up
What a shocker!! Turns out the media and that baldy Castles were making up stuff!!! Who could have possibly fallen for this for the umpteenth time? Oh yeah, I forgot, there are a few with an agenda who will believe anything as long as it fits the narrative in their head.Tweet
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Surprise surpriseWhat a shocker!! Turns out the media and that baldy Castles were making up stuff!!! Who could have possibly fallen for this for the umpteenth time? Oh yeah, I forgot, there are a few with an agenda who will believe anything as long as it fits the narrative in their head.
How can there be a leak if it wasn't true?Go on Bruno lad.
So the next question really should be who is the dressing room leak? Been too many of these over the years.
Have you read what Bruno says in the article?How can there be a leak if it wasn't true?
Must be why Scott McTominay went out of his way yesterday to explain the players stance on Ole and the coaching staff.You would never hear of a player doing this under Ferguson. Ole looks like he is losing the players faith.
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