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We lack some professionalism, you see it on the pitch as well. All these "we work hard" quotes and yet they don't show much. But this has been an issue for a while, those private "scandals" are just a continuation
I agree with all of this.I'm not condemning Mason Greenwood (or the others for that matter) from a moral point of view. What he did is legal and to an extent understandable.
My issue is it shows a poor of professional attitude, and it's not the mentality you'd want to see from a talented young player. What sets the likes of Ronaldo and Messi from, let's say Rooney, is the dedication and focus they approach their career with. Talented players are a dime a dozen, and attitude is what separates the greats from the "what ifs"*
Regarding the examples you gave, times have changed. The level of conditioning and attitude required by top level players is a lot higher than it used to be. Players are huge investments, and the stakes have never been higher for their clubs and for themselves.
He could have debuted for his country, perhaps scored and covered himself in glory, rather than this. He has, however, apologized, and hopefully it's a lesson well learned.
All that said, he is free to make his own choices and reap the benefits or consequences, and can not live his life according to other people's expectations. We're just rooting for him and would like to see him be the best he can be.
*Not saying Rooney didn't do well, but if he were more disciplined I believe he would have had a Balon D'Or or two, and could still be playing at the highest level.
Maguire getting arrested, Greenwood getting kicked out of the England squad, AWB going to Dubai.
Is it time tough questions were asked of Ole and his coaching staff?
I get the point your making around being disciplined but I don't think Rooney or Greenwood are a dime a dozen. On the fitness and dedication front Ronaldo is the extreme but Rooney was smoking fags and had a terrible diet by all accounts.I'm not condemning Mason Greenwood (or the others for that matter) from a moral point of view. What he did is legal and to an extent understandable.
My issue is it shows a poor of professional attitude, and it's not the mentality you'd want to see from a talented young player. What sets the likes of Ronaldo and Messi from, let's say Rooney, is the dedication and focus they approach their career with. Talented players are a dime a dozen, and attitude is what separates the greats from the "what ifs"*
Regarding the examples you gave, times have changed. The level of conditioning and attitude required by top level players is a lot higher than it used to be. Players are huge investments, and the stakes have never been higher for their clubs and for themselves.
He could have debuted for his country, perhaps scored and covered himself in glory, rather than this. He has, however, apologized, and hopefully it's a lesson well learned.
All that said, he is free to make his own choices and reap the benefits or consequences, and can not live his life according to other people's expectations. We're just rooting for him and would like to see him be the best he can be.
*Not saying Rooney didn't do well, but if he were more disciplined I believe he would have had a Balon D'Or or two, and could still be playing at the highest level.
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Yeah, a dime a dozen is a bit hyperbolic but we've had so many talents, even here at united that haven't lived up to early promise for one reason or another.I get the point your making around being disciplined but I don't think Rooney or Greenwood are a dime a dozen. On the fitness and dedication front Ronaldo is the extreme but Rooney was smoking fags and had a terrible diet by all accounts.
If it is just the odd drink and a bit of partying it's not such a big deal and if the rumours are true he'll need to knock it on the head.
I reckon Rooney could still be playing at the highest level if he'd just looked after himself.
Yeah I'd agree with that. Isn't that why so many talented kids don't make it?Yeah, a dime a dozen is a bit hyperbolic but we've had so many talents, even here at united that haven't lived up to early promise for one reason or another.
From extreme examples like Ravel Morrison, Januzaj, Macheda and Anderson, to players who have had very good careers but underwhelming when considering potential and expectation (Nani, Pogba, Martial, etc).
I don't think it's just about taking care of yourself, or how you eat or drink. It's about really, really wanting to be the best and realizing there's always room for improvement and be willing to sacrifice ego, comfort and pleasure to get there. For a player to consistently put in great performances for ninety minutes week in, week out speaks of amazing sacrifice and effort to stay in peak physical and mental condition .
Of course not all players will be so motivated, or will want that, so in a way that's just us fans being too demanding and selfish.
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...because it's two different people2 different accounts on the images .
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I think he’s saying it’s a fake account. Marlie is the real one; Marlieie appears to be the catfish account....because it's two different people
He's been doing the dirty (allegedly) with 3 women.
His Gf, His side piece and another side piece, which is what the tweet said
One of the comments is from a Marlie , the other is a Marlieie....because it's two different people
He's been doing the dirty (allegedly) with 3 women.
His Gf, His side piece and another side piece, which is what the tweet said
Guess she didn't see that thunder bastard he scored at the weekend then
As you can see with the Greenwood nonsense yesterday, there's a certain group of fans absolutely desperate to jump on any perceived negative news about United so they can unload their chip on the shoulder about the club/players.You do realize that we haven't heard his side of the story yet, right? Too early to judge and it's a young man and women, relationshit happens.
You're not wrong. And you're probably alluding to the time SAF did something similar. Or at least the one time I'm thinking of.If the players are deemed to be 'out of control' then maybe Ole and the club management need to bring in some old fashioned 'company punishment' penalties when players individually or collectively detract from official requirements. If one player 'fecks up' they all suffer; docked a months pay, extra training, days off cancelled, extra duties in the community, whatever. It is always seems unfair to punish many for the sins of one, but it can strengthen a group/bind the ties' etc. and get them through the 'forming'/storming'/'norming'/'performing' performance development cycle in double quick time.
Admittedly it is a risk in this day and age with all the pc issues, the pampering, the interference by agents, family, etc. but it can help to identify the true leaders in the group!
Must have got confused keeping up with those tricky namesOne of the comments is from a Marlie , the other is a Marlieie.
David The Thief De GeaMaguire - thug
Greenwood - alcoholic
AWB - sex addict
I expect this list to grow as time progresses.
David The Thief De Gea
Luke The Glutton Shaw
Harry The Thug Maguire
Victor The Vigilante Lindelof
Aaron The Cheater Wan Bissaka
Nemanja Looks a bit sketchy Matic
Paul The Virus Pogba
Bruno The Anger Problem Fernandes
Mason The Alcoholic Sex Addict Greenwood
Marcus The Treasonous Rashford
Anthony The Moody Martial
Thank god that questions been answered. Bad timing considering he probably had his best kick of a ball on Saturday
Are you talking about that Ole, the one guilty of climate change?Ole is getting blamed for all sorts-crazy!! A narrow & slightly biased perspective i'm afraid to say.
The one thing that worries me is that Lingard will take offence to AWB sleeping with his ex and it might really affect Jesse’s performances.One of our best players of all time was shagging his brothers wife.
Scummy move from AWB but it has f*ck all to do with us. As long as it doesn't effect what happens on the pitch I couldn't care less what he gets upto in his own time.
Honestly think the majority of posters live in some delusional world where all the young players earning mega bucks behave themselves.