Obvious: Jones, Rojo, Lingard, Ighalo.
Not good enough: Lindelöf, Fred
Wouldn't lose any sleep if he left: Martial
Not good enough: Lindelöf, Fred
Wouldn't lose any sleep if he left: Martial
Who do you class as "deadwood" in the current squad?
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Rojo Jones and Bailly
Damn with them going and smalling gone, again we would need two cbs (unless tuanzebe does something)
Add Romero and ighalo (we upgraded on him)
Then lingard too
Damn with them going and smalling gone, again we would need two cbs (unless tuanzebe does something)
Add Romero and ighalo (we upgraded on him)
Then lingard too
Romero, Ighalo, Jones, Rojo, Bailly, Fosu-Mensah and Lingard.
Dalot and Pereira also but they're atleast out on loan.
Dalot and Pereira also but they're atleast out on loan.
Deadwood - Rojo and Jones
Expendable - James, Lingard, Romero, Bailly (never fit) and Ighalo (but he will leave soon)
Other - Grant. Never understood why did we need him with so many young GKs in the academy. Just give those several bench appearances a season to them.
Expendable - James, Lingard, Romero, Bailly (never fit) and Ighalo (but he will leave soon)
Other - Grant. Never understood why did we need him with so many young GKs in the academy. Just give those several bench appearances a season to them.
No future in the first team squad:
Rojo/Jones/Ighalo/Periera
Playing for future:
McTom/Lingard/Dalot/Lindelof/Bailly/James/Pogba
Sellable once suitable replacement is bought:
Lindelof/Martial
Rojo/Jones/Ighalo/Periera
Playing for future:
McTom/Lingard/Dalot/Lindelof/Bailly/James/Pogba
Sellable once suitable replacement is bought:
Lindelof/Martial
I think we have an option to extend Lingard's contract for another year to 2022. Which is exactly the kind of thing they'll do if they think they can get any money for him; same for Romero. Only Rojo, Grant, and TFM are certain to go next summer; provided they agree no extension. Grant played just 1 competitive game for us and will be 38 next summer. I guess they'll try to persuade TFM to sign a contract extension. Rojo's wages are so high it makes sense to let him leave in January; but one hand, or accountant, doesn't know what they other's doing so maybe not.
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United supposedly looking for 20m for Phil Jones may explain why so many of these 'deadwood' players remain here.
This doesn't seem to be a thread about current deadwood in the squad.
Shaw isn’t. Romero is tbf. Shaw has a use in the squad as a rotation option with Telles and Williams. With Romero, the guy is of essentially no use now to the club. He’s 4th choice as Grant has been making the bench in cup games this season, isn’t an idolised figure at the club for young gks (that would be DDG, you don’t want to grow up to warm the bench) and going by all the stories, Grant is the one who the attackers ask to stay back for finishing practice. Romero was good before this season and became somewhat of a cult hero at the club as the best backup gk in the world, but his time at United is up now. He is deadwood, and we should have sold him to Everton as per his wish. Instead, he is just banking £70k every week while doing nothing.
Aside from him, I’d class Jones, Rojo, TFM, Lingard and Ighalo as deadwood. They, including Romero, all have to be shipped out asap. It would clear £200k per week off the wage bill.
Yes. Ridiculous asking prices. Even in this day and age, an aging, unfit and let’s be honest, awful Phil Jones is hardly even worth a million Pounds. We wanted £25m for Lingard too when Spurs apparently came sniffing. Just smacks of incompetence at the top.
Wouldnt classify james as deadwood but certianly wouldnt be sad to see him leave.
Think lingard would actually do better given the same amount of minutes although there is obviously hope james can improve at his age
Think lingard would actually do better given the same amount of minutes although there is obviously hope james can improve at his age
Hmmm. People are posting their lists of who they think needs to get shipped out.
Do you mean people are including way too many players who are out on loan and not literally currently in the registered squad?
IIRC when Ole took the job there were stories that he'd highlighted thirteen players who had to go and there were long term plans to ship them out in chunks. Assuming this was true, then in no particular order, and just based on what he's done:
1. Fellaini
2. Lukaku
3. Young
4. Sanchez
5. Smalling
6. Lingard
7. Pereira
8. Valencia
That first group are the ones which probably 95% of the caf will agree would have been on that list. Ditto the next three.
9. Dalot
10. Jones
11. Rojo
The remaining two are tricky.
IMHO: the 'squad' is the first team training squad, which I estimate is 34 players. 28 'seniors', plus 6 who qualify as B-list. That 34, has 5 goalies, and 10 who've played CB for us. We're not moving players out because we're asking too much. We need to cut our asking prices in half or less to move some out in January.
I thought deadwood meant players who have no use currently, so Rojo, Romero, Jones, Ighalo, and Lingard.
Other mentions like Shaw, James, Lindelof, and the likes don't belong in a thread about deadwood.
Ah, got it. You're disagreeing with players they're including in their lists.
Smalling wasn't on the list but wanted to leave.
Agreed. Fans confusing deadwood with players they want out.
Players who should leave:
In January (5):
Odion Ighalo: loan ends.
Sergio Romero: Too good, and on too high wages to be 3 choice goalie
Phil Jones, Marcos Rojo, Jesse Lingard: Surplus. Wages too high to keep 'just in case'
Contract ends in June 2021. Leave next summer (2).
Lee Grant
Timothy Fosu-Mensah
Their positions: CF, GK x 2, CB x 2, RB, AM. We're not short in those positions because:
CF: Replaced by Cavani
CB: Replaced by Tuanzebe and Mengi
GK: We can promote Bishop to be 3rd choice goalie. Or there are always a few good Bosmans going at GK.
RB: We have: AWB, Williams, Laird
AM: We bought: Bruno, Donny, Pellistri and Diallo
If United can't move out at least 6 players over 9 months that should be grounds for Woody's sacking!
Keeping so many players here stops us getting that specialist CDM we need.
‘Supposedly’
Agree with this. Unless there were literally no takers for any of them, I'm finding hard to understand why any of them are still at the club (obviously not uncle Iggy). Romero seemed like he was pushing for a move though perhaps left it a bit late, while the likes of Rojo and Jones both should have been out the door.
That's no doubt another prime example of why it's best not to believe everything you read, particularly in relation to United.
Anyone who is a perpetual sick note goes under Deadwood for me so I added Bailly and TFM is close but Ill give him another season.
Rojo, Romero, Jones, Ighalo, Lingard, Grant, Bailly, Dalot
Rojo, Romero, Jones, Ighalo, Lingard, Grant, Bailly, Dalot
Just proves we are being run by absoloute idiots. No one is going to pay that amount for a 28 year old sick note. Jose did not rate him, and neither does Ole, yet we are paying him 4 million£ a year to sit on the bench.This whole idea of "protecting our assets" by giving them new contracts and hoping some bidder is going to put a completely unrealistic bid on the table is madness. Ed is a money man? No? One of the first things one usually does when you want to incerase your bottom line is to trim the organization of employees that are surplus to requirments
Deadwood - Jones, Rojo, Bailly - with wages saved here, invest in a good CB, Dalot (if he comes back from loan), Pereira (if he comes back from loan)
Due to redundancy - Romero (should be treated with dignity, he's done a good job), Lingard (has fallen off and needs to find a new home where he can rebuild and play regular first team)
Coming up to release due to age (but not yet, as they can do a job this season) - Mata, Matic, Grant (will need replacing for 3rd keeper role)
Question mark - Dan James, still young, needs a season or two to develop/learn
Due to redundancy - Romero (should be treated with dignity, he's done a good job), Lingard (has fallen off and needs to find a new home where he can rebuild and play regular first team)
Coming up to release due to age (but not yet, as they can do a job this season) - Mata, Matic, Grant (will need replacing for 3rd keeper role)
Question mark - Dan James, still young, needs a season or two to develop/learn
OK, So the £20m may be a guess. But we are definitely asking too much for players we don't need, who don't play, buy get paid £4m to £5m each year in wages.
Strange to see Shaw being mentioned...
I'll be surprised if Telles replaces him as our first choice...
I'll be surprised if Telles replaces him as our first choice...
It's unbelievable that Shaw was mentioned in the deadwood list. He was one of our player of the season 1 or 2 year ago. He has his injury problem but still a very good player when fit. This season he will be very important for us to go all out on epl, CL and FA Cup.
I always have soft spot for Jones. His commitment, bravery and always give his all was exemplary. Injuries killed his career. What a pity. When he was having a consistent run of games he was a superb CB.
I always have soft spot for Jones. His commitment, bravery and always give his all was exemplary. Injuries killed his career. What a pity. When he was having a consistent run of games he was a superb CB.
Think we all know who the deadwood are at this point: Rojo, Jones, Fosu-Mensah, Pereira(still technically our player), Lingard, Romero.
You could add in James as well if you're super, super strict.
Better idea is to pick out how many of our players we consider good enough to challenge for the league.
I imagine that number is significantly lower.
You could add in James as well if you're super, super strict.
Better idea is to pick out how many of our players we consider good enough to challenge for the league.
I imagine that number is significantly lower.
Yakuza shouldn't have soft spots.
Lingard
Ighalo
Romero
Grant
Lingard
Rojo
TFM
Jones
Lingard
And most of our CMs while not Deadwood aren't good enough at the top level
Ighalo
Romero
Grant
Lingard
Rojo
TFM
Jones
Lingard
And most of our CMs while not Deadwood aren't good enough at the top level
I imagine they're not very tasty either.
Shaw is one of the best LB's in the league and definitely one of the most under rated players in our team. Not sure how anyone can call him deadwood. Telles wasn't bought to replace Shaw. Telles was bought because without Shaw in the line up our quality drops significantly with Williams (who is really a RB). But now with Telles in the team, don't be surprised if Shaw still gets more starts. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Shaw tested as a left sided central defender to partner Maguire so Harry can move to his more natural right side of central defense...
The deadwood on our team are Jones and Rojo. Lingard can still serve a purpose but it would be best for his career to move on as well. Romero deserved to be let go but our board completely screwed him over after he's been a wonderful servant to the club. Kind of feel for him seeing as he won't get any playing time this year unless there are some injuries and he's too good not to play...
The deadwood on our team are Jones and Rojo. Lingard can still serve a purpose but it would be best for his career to move on as well. Romero deserved to be let go but our board completely screwed him over after he's been a wonderful servant to the club. Kind of feel for him seeing as he won't get any playing time this year unless there are some injuries and he's too good not to play...
Jones
Rojo
Bailly
Lingard
Fosu-Mensah
I'd put the likes of Shaw, Lindelof in the "not good enough" camp but what else do we have? Shaw is an average back-up option, Lindelof will have to do for now.
Rojo
Bailly
Lingard
Fosu-Mensah
I'd put the likes of Shaw, Lindelof in the "not good enough" camp but what else do we have? Shaw is an average back-up option, Lindelof will have to do for now.
We only have a couple of true deadwood now:
Jones - cancel his contract and pay him out
Ighalo - with Cavani here there's no use for him, although that's the plan and he's off in January
But there are quite a few who are borderline. We coudn't clear them all out but one or two would not be missed:
Mata - hasn't the legs for the league anymore but still useful in cup games, although for how much longer?
Grant / Romero - we only need one of them
Lingard - he can fill a role in the squad but there's no hope of him ever being a regular
TFM - never going to be good enough, better for all parties if he moves on whilst he's still young
Rojo - as we seemingly can't get rid of Jones, we don't need him as well
Jones - cancel his contract and pay him out
Ighalo - with Cavani here there's no use for him, although that's the plan and he's off in January
But there are quite a few who are borderline. We coudn't clear them all out but one or two would not be missed:
Mata - hasn't the legs for the league anymore but still useful in cup games, although for how much longer?
Grant / Romero - we only need one of them
Lingard - he can fill a role in the squad but there's no hope of him ever being a regular
TFM - never going to be good enough, better for all parties if he moves on whilst he's still young
Rojo - as we seemingly can't get rid of Jones, we don't need him as well
Would that not be classed as cruelty as opposed to a goodwill gesture?
Tier 1. Crumbly and rotten. Zombie wood.
Tier 2. On the way out. Diseased but standing.
Tier 3.
Unfair to put Romero anywhere in there, but you have to ask why he's still here. Mata and Matic will need replacing soon, but still offer a lot. There's a least five places in the squad that offer very little, and another couple open in the long term.
- Rojo.
- Jones.
Tier 2. On the way out. Diseased but standing.
- Lingard.
- James.
- Fosu Mensah.
- Lee Grant.
Tier 3.
- Bailly.
Unfair to put Romero anywhere in there, but you have to ask why he's still here. Mata and Matic will need replacing soon, but still offer a lot. There's a least five places in the squad that offer very little, and another couple open in the long term.
Unredeemable deadwood
Phil Jones
Marcos Rojo
Odion Ighalo (gone in Jan)
Lee Grant
Andreas Pereira
Deadwood who could turn it around
Jesse Lingard
Dan James
Tim Fosu-Mensah
Dangerously close to becoming deadwood
Eric Bailly
Axel Tuanzebe
Diogo Dalot
Sergio Romero
Left out Brandon Williams. I think he’s shit but he’s 19, too early to call him potential deadwood yet.
Phil Jones
Marcos Rojo
Odion Ighalo (gone in Jan)
Lee Grant
Andreas Pereira
Deadwood who could turn it around
Jesse Lingard
Dan James
Tim Fosu-Mensah
Dangerously close to becoming deadwood
Eric Bailly
Axel Tuanzebe
Diogo Dalot
Sergio Romero
Left out Brandon Williams. I think he’s shit but he’s 19, too early to call him potential deadwood yet.
Ole
In reply to OP :
whoever is not your current favourite at the moment. It can range from De Gea to Rashford.
whoever is not your current favourite at the moment. It can range from De Gea to Rashford.
Yes it's gotta be his biggest achievement so far. He should've been allowed to spend more in the transfer window I believe. Would like to see the wage bill when he took over vs now.
How can anyone be happy to let Martial leave, or class him anywhere near deadwood when he's coming off the back of his best season,