Yet another Tactical Masterclass from Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Whoop whoop!

[RUCK4444]

A lot of fans compare the journey of Klopp to that of Ole tbh. So comparism are made. Nagelsmann is one of the top youngest coaches and one game doesnt divine him, he is jsut 33 ffs and has been a bundesliga top coach for 5 years...if that is not impressive then I do not know! If preople prefer Nagelsman football then so be it, nothing wrong with that (imo career wise he is superior although both have not won any major trophies in the important leagues). The problem with Ole, imo, is the inconsistency afer 2 years, results like these we had plenty last year but it always followed with a negative patch. This year will be his 2 full year and come may he will have had 2.5 year which is plenty,.I believe we have a very very good team but if we are still battling for a top 4 position until the last 2/3 matches of the season then there is no improvement made and he has to go, if he manages to improve then he will stay.

You’ve missed my point I feel, literally nobody here compares Ole’s ability to Klopp’s, nobody. I’m not saying Nagelsmann is a shite manager, nobody is, just that he’s professed on here by many to be a level above Ole in every aspect, when in reality Ole has outdone him in every department tonight.

Ive actually looked forward to this game to see exactly what this manager would bring against us after what I’ve heard here. I’ve seen enough to know he likes possession football with an aggressive press, which is flavour of the month so I can understand the appeal to some fans but I also saw a naive side to him tonight (not to mention they created almost zero chances and lost 5-0)

In summary I wouldn’t dream of changing the two managers, the same as I wouldn’t with Poch, not until I’m satisfied Ole is below the required level here and I feel quite the opposite. That’s not a blind loyalty that many will have you believe, I can just see something coming together with Ole that just wasn’t there under previous managers.

 

[mancave bear]

Got lucky with VAR. Arsenal first real test.

Lucky ???

 

[Gasolin]

Ole’s tactics work well when we don’t dominate in possession.

As soon as we get significantly get more the ball, we are still clueless.

Like when we won starting January this year, except for the 2 weird games with no preseason this year right? Results show we can now batter teams that give us possession.

 

[alexthelion]

Utterly deluded shamelessness. Why do you even waste your time torturing yourself like this?

He's just upset his lover Poch won't get to manage us.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

I call out bs when I see it. I was even vocal about Zidane even when he won so many champions league team. A manager that relys so much on signing world class players, will eventually be found out. Any manager can win with a fantastic team, but to go to the next level requires a higher level of tactical acumen and emotional intelligence within that manager. I don’t see it with Ole unfortunately. We have an amazing team, and I expect a lot from it. I see us doing much better than last season as well. But, we won’t reach the highest honors that even Pochettino reached with a team that wasn’t as good as the one we currently have.

Do you post on another football forum site under the name Robb? Your delusion is very similar.

Anyway - a fantastic win tonight managed perfectly by Ole and the staff. Did their homework and flooded the midfield to counteract Leipzig who do the same. Rested key players and made the right choices with the subs.

 

[sammsky1]

Ignore people like that, I think you're are a shining light on what can be an overly depressing and miserable forum. Only a fool can't see the progress Ole has made with this side so I'm still right behind Ole.

Thanks buddy. It's such fun believing in Ole, isn't it? I haven't had this much fun supporting our team since SAF left.
Have no idea why these guys deny themselves this joy. Truly a head scratcher.

 

[sammsky1]

He's just upset his lover Poch won't get to manage us.

yeah, but I think that ship has now sailed and never to return. So unrequited love might lead him to doom

 

[arthurka]

He needs to find a clue v low Bock teams but he is fantastic setting up v the bigger teams. Keep this up v Arsenal and hopefully he will get some slack on here. Would love to see him kill it at Utd.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He needs to find a clue v low Bock teams but he is fantastic setting up v the bigger teams. Keep this up v Arsenal and hopefully he will get some slack on here. Would love to see him kill it at Utd.

can you imagine how much Fergie would have been torn apart if this forum existed in the late 80’s?

 

[Client6]

Let see how he progress this season, but as you stated he did meet that standard last season, despite not being as impressive and convincing. Regardless, I have always stated that that first full season was not as black and white as you would present it. Which is why I have been critical of him. If you delve deeper into the outcome of that season, you would know that our point tally was similar to Moyes, and without the acquisition of Bruno, Ole wouldn’t be a United manager at the moment for the reason that after his purchase his goals/assist output contribution was an unusual high 50%. These metric reveals a better insight into that season than just our third places finish. If Ole meets the standards of a United manager, then I will definitely think that he is the right manager. These standards aren’t to hard to accomplish with the third most expensive team in football.

Things are indeed not black and white.

Points tally? Moyes got that with a team that had won the title the previous season. Also, it was David Moyes - someone who managed a club the size of Everton for 11 years and finished in top 7 for 8 of those years. Compare that with Ole - inexperienced compared to Moyes but also had an inexperienced squad. Why would one focus only on the "black" side of the "points tally" argument?

Signing Bruno? Where's your evidence that he wasn't Ole's idea in the first place? If Ole is as inept as you think, then he did a bloody good job of deploying Bruno in the right way.

I appreciate you saying there is nuance in the arguement against Ole. My question is why do some people here ignore nuance when argument is for Ole?

 

[El Zoido]

can you imagine how much Fergie would have been torn apart if this forum existed in the late 80’s?

He would not have lasted. He would have been hounded out within two seasons.

 

[sammsky1]

He would not have lasted. He would have been hounded out within two seasons.

Yeah. even Ole hasn't faced the pressure SAF was under before that 3rd round FA Cup match vs Palace.
The kneejerkers would have won.

 

[alexthelion]

Considering he's been on the forum for 12 years, he's clearly an adult. It's a very immature way to behave.

Whatever floats his boat though.

Can you not understand it, though?

You, and a lot of other posters, have been consistently negative putting both Ole and the the team down at every opportunity. You only need to look at this place when we lose or even draw, it's a shit fest of anti-Ole feeling.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Yeah. even Ole hasn't faced the pressure SAF was under before that 3rd round FA Cup match vs Palace.
The kneejerkers would have won.

think it was Forest, the final and replay (obviously!) was against palace.

your point rings true, no matter the opposition

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Can you not understand it, though?

You, and a lot of other posters, have been consistently negative putting both Ole and the the team down at every opportunity. You only need to look at this place when we lose or even draw, it's a shit fest of anti-Ole feeling.

he’s without doubt one of the main instigators and worst posters on the forum.

 

[Andersonson]

yes, Ole beat those 2 managers but that is only pure luck..isnt it ?

Ole is doing something LVG/Jose couldnt do it, He started bringing in right people...playing in right way.....cmon guys ..what else we need? I give him another year atleast

I'd give him 3. Building a great team takes time

 

[alexthelion]

@sammsky1 there is quite literally nothing unlikeable about you

That's what you meant, I'm sure

 

[sammsky1]

think it was Forest, the final and replay (obviously!) was against palace.

your point rings true, no matter the opposition

You're right, it was Forest in 3rd round.
Did Blackmoor play that day? I think he did !

 

[VidaRed]

Ole is proving to be one of the highest tactical brains in world football. Give him the right quality of players and a little time, and he's be spanking them all.

Give him sancho and haaland and another left back next season and see the difference.

 

[alexthelion]

can you imagine how much Fergie would have been torn apart if this forum existed in the late 80’s?

It would have been carnage on here for at least those first four years, probably longer.

 

[Listar]

Admit it, Newcastle, PSG, Chelsea, RB Leipzig, who thought we would have at least a lost in there?

Now imagine if Ole was backed in the summer? We would definitely be challenging for the title this year.

 

[Handré1990]

Keep ‘em coming!

 

[reelworld]

There's nothing to back up, it's difficult for any team in the world to put in perfect performance match after match, and you saying so in a thread talking about Ole's tactical excellence comes off as being "not convinced" which is ridiculous considering the evidence we have over his time at this point. No he doesn't get every decision correct, and maybe we lose against Arsenal, but neither one of those things makes tonight a one off performance that needs to be backed up just to convince you.

At this point if you don't see the moves he makes (again not saying he's a mastermind, but he's not the PE teacher many think he is either), then you're just someone that wants him gone either way and would be screaming had we lost tonight.

I think that's a fair question to ask. Consistency is an issue with this team. I want that ruthlessness that Liverpool have that still picked up points when they're not at their best.
Players looked very sharp though in the last couple of matches. Hopefully we win on Sunday

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

You're right, it was Forest in 3rd round.
Did Blackmoor play that day? I think he did !

not sure. Despite my user name, I’m not a mega fan, or welsh! He became a favourite player because of the goals he scored on Europe the season after the FA Cup win. I was young and influential!

 

[sammsky1]

Give him sancho and haaland and another left back next season and see the difference.

Can you see it too? Also add a more mature Tuanzebe, Garner and Chong to deepen the bench further. And then all that new youth quality too as Ole's own class of 92 ....
The football would be sensational and we'd score 5 every other game. Honestly, the sky would be the limit!

It's OK for Pep, Zidane or Klopp (or Fergie) to have this level of quality, but God forbid Ole be allowed to be given the proper tools to create one of the best teams in the world.

(why do we need another left back?)

 

[sammsky1]

not sure. Despite my user name, I’m not a mega fan, or welsh! He became a favourite player because of the goals he scored on Europe the season after the FA Cup win. I was young and influential!

I loved him when I was a boy. He had the best haircut and that thunderbolt shot!

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Ole Gunnar PE teacher shutting up the plastics in some style.

Before Newcastle everyone was in panic modes. We've won 3 and drawn 1 since and played Chelsea, PSG away and Leipzig in that run.

Ole isn't the problem at this club. If you can't see that you should probably take up rugby or Tennis as football isn't for you clearly.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Admit it, Newcastle, PSG, Chelsea, RB Leipzig, who thought we would have at least a lost in there?

Now imagine if Ole was backed in the summer? We would definitely be challenging for the title this year.

I think we should have expect that we were never gonna spend big in the summer due to Covid.

Still though, he’s done very well transformed the team that Mourinho ruined to something like the way it is now with around 150m net spend plus massive release of Sanchez wages. It’s down to man management & coaching too to be able to transform it.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Can you not understand it, though?

You, and a lot of other posters, have been consistently negative putting both Ole and the the team down at every opportunity. You only need to look at this place when we lose or even draw, it's a shit fest of anti-Ole feeling.

I criticise ole when warranted, and praise him when warranted.

 

[Tyrion]

I disagree. How about all the games we won since Jan against weaker opposition which sat back? Particularly after lockdown?
Then we were said to have the opposite problem.

We were not great against Palace and Brighton, but then we had no pre-season. Those games were effectively our pre-season games. Now we've caught up, it will be interesting to see how we get on.

We were on a great run after Bruno came in but I think we've slipped up against a lot of weaker teams since Ole has took over. We'll see over the course of this season.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I loved him when I was a boy. He had the best haircut and that thunderbolt shot!

He was/ is a very good looking man. I was too young to understand how good/ bad or indifferent he was as a player.

 

[AltiUn]

We were on a great run after Bruno came in but I think we've slipped up against a lot of weaker teams since Ole has took over. We'll see over the course of this season.

In Solskjaer's defence, a lot of our more notable slip ups came in the first half of last season. We lost Pogba early on so we had to rely on a McTominay and Fred midfield with Lingard or Pereira (sometimes both) in front of them, since we got Pogba back and added Fernandes we've been infinitely better at breaking down smaller teams, we still have off days but they're become increasingly infrequent.

 

[Adnan]

He needs to find a clue v low Bock teams but he is fantastic setting up v the bigger teams. Keep this up v Arsenal and hopefully he will get some slack on here. Would love to see him kill it at Utd.

Arsenal will setup similar to us..

 

[sammsky1]

Arsenal will setup similar to us..

In what sense?

 

[monosierra]

In what sense?

Attack on the counter? We actually seem evenly matched across the field though we have a better keeper.

 

[WR10]

He’s a genius. Mostly because of the man management handle he’s got on his players now. You can tell he has full comfort in setting up whatever tactical formation he needs without being hard pressed to play certain players all the time. Or avoid formations due to player weakness (lingard, andres etc)

 

[VictoriaRed]

What I loved was that we were still getting after it when we were up three! It hasn't been like that since Ferguson left. We ripped their hearts out putting a fiver on their heads! Feckin' love it!

 

[CG1010]

Can we as a forum agree that this was a tactical masterclass! OleOuters dont have to change their overall stance, just admit they didn't see this kind of result coming and they are properly pleased for it. I am not one of you, but I certainly didn't see it coming against a high pressing team which has been the bane of our lives.

This debate on our own managers performance after our best Europe result after Roma 7-1 is really tedious.

 

[sammsky1]

I criticise ole when warranted, and praise him when warranted.

You don’t get to decide the warrant

 

[Adnan]

In what sense?

They will look to counter and exploit space similar to us. Arteta has been setting his team up similarly to us where they sacrifice proactiveness for reactiveness.