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Rank the PL managers
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Drop Arteta to potential greatness, and Lampard to sacked soon. Also Moyes should be dropped to middle of the road. That's about it I guess.
WTF does net spend have to do with a manager blowing a massive lead???
So in a thread where someone is comparing every single manager in the league against each other it doesn't make sense to compare Ole to Rodgers? Got it....
Put it this way....I want him to be better. I really do. Is he better? I don't know. What I do know is one of them blew a massive lead and the other lead his time for a huge come from behind accomplishment. Which of those scenarios would you prefer your manager to accomplish???
A) We have a better squad than Leicester, and spent significantly more money than them.
Funny considering last year so many were saying Leicester would finish ahead of us.
B) Rodgers teams play a more entertaining brand of football than United
WTF are you talking about? Leicester plays counter attacking football and rarely dictate the play against teams
C) It literally went down to the last day. It's not like we were some great distance ahead of them. Had we not beaten them on the last day they would have finished in the top 4 ahead of us.
So it came down to one final game (after blowing a massive lead) and in the head to head Ole won. Not once, but twice as United won earlier in the season as well
D) Rodgers has actually mounted a title challenge in the past with a team no one would have called the best team in the league, playing some scintillating football.
Is the agenda so bad against Ole that our own supporters are now talking up Liverpool managers to talk down our own manager? WTF is wrong with you people???
Rodgers is a better manager than Ole by any metric you look at.
I disagree. I don't think Rodgers has done anything to prove that. What's he done? Won a league title with Celtic (I could manage that team to victory too), choked with Liverpool (some would prefer to say "slipped up") and choked with Leicester...
Funny considering last year so many were saying Leicester would finish ahead of us.
B) Rodgers teams play a more entertaining brand of football than United
WTF are you talking about? Leicester plays counter attacking football and rarely dictate the play against teams
C) It literally went down to the last day. It's not like we were some great distance ahead of them. Had we not beaten them on the last day they would have finished in the top 4 ahead of us.
So it came down to one final game (after blowing a massive lead) and in the head to head Ole won. Not once, but twice as United won earlier in the season as well
D) Rodgers has actually mounted a title challenge in the past with a team no one would have called the best team in the league, playing some scintillating football.
Is the agenda so bad against Ole that our own supporters are now talking up Liverpool managers to talk down our own manager? WTF is wrong with you people???
Rodgers is a better manager than Ole by any metric you look at.
I disagree. I don't think Rodgers has done anything to prove that. What's he done? Won a league title with Celtic (I could manage that team to victory too), choked with Liverpool (some would prefer to say "slipped up") and choked with Leicester...
My bad
Exactly what about Arteta screams potential greatness?
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His hairline.
Not discrediting rodgers title win with celtic but Ole winning the league with Molde when they were not even favorites is a bigger achievement than someone winning Scottish league with celtic.
Unless Chelsea start dropping points, I don't think Lampard's job is in danger. He is on the upswing currently.
It has some bearing, Ole got backed in January mid season, Rodgers didn't.
I wasn't happy with how we imploded, but I would still rather have Rodgers over Ollie.
Of those scenarios I gotta admit I’d opt for the latter haha, but I think the personnel available to them plays a fairly large role.
I think Rodgers is a pretty brilliant manager though and I think he’s at this moment in time a comfortably better manager, even if I am biased from his time at Swansea (Though I maintain Rodgers is a weird guy)It gets kind of forgotten due to his title challenge at Liverpool overshadowing it, but gaining promotion to the premier league, and finishing 11th with the squad he had at his disposal was an incredible achievement. He made Danny Graham look like a PL forward and the team had a very defined, passing style of football.
Ole is very likeable and I hope he does end up a success at United, but after Swansea I watch United more than any other club and I just don’t see the same level of coaching imprinted on the players as I would a Rodgers side. There’s been some brilliant performances and results, especially when coming up against big sides, but looking at the current Manchester squad I can’t help but feel that Rodgers would be getting a lot more out of them. The talent is there (Though there’s some gaps) but In a lot of games they just look lost.
My attempt:
World class: Klopp
Elite: Pep, Carlo, Bielsa
Potential greatness: Hasenhuttl, Lampard, Arteta, Rodgers, Jose
Criminally underrated: Dyche, Wilder, Potter
Middle of the road: Moyes, Bruce, Smith, Roy, Nuno
Sacked soon: Ole, Bilic, Parker
Put Jose in the "potential" list as he's so unpredictable in terms of which version of him he decides to be.
World class: Klopp
Elite: Pep, Carlo, Bielsa
Potential greatness: Hasenhuttl, Lampard, Arteta, Rodgers, Jose
Criminally underrated: Dyche, Wilder, Potter
Middle of the road: Moyes, Bruce, Smith, Roy, Nuno
Sacked soon: Ole, Bilic, Parker
Put Jose in the "potential" list as he's so unpredictable in terms of which version of him he decides to be.
Think Jose is world class cause i don't think klopp could have done better with our squad back then
So my attempt is
world class : Klopp, Jose , Carlo
Elite : Pep
Potential Greatness : Arteta , Rodgers, Lampard, HasenHuttl
Criminally underrated : Wilder, Potter, Moyes, Nuno, Roy
Middle of the road : Dyche , Smith
Sacked Soon : Bilic, Parker
Worst Coach in top 5 league : Ole
I put pep under elite only cause what he has done with city , pellegrini and mancini also did the same , not to mention he broke FFP rules to beat Jose in the league. Put Ole as worst coach because let's be honest, he is going back to norway herding sheep if we sack him , no club in top 5 league will be interested to get him. Sack hodgson and some EPL club will get him , sack Moyes and another EPL club will hire him , sack Ole and he will go into retirement to become a farmer in Norway cause that's how bad he is.
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You mean like how Mourinho and LVG were able to get more out of these players???
Hes on an upswing but Abramovich doesn't feck about if he thinks the manager won't bring the title. Lampard won't, so his days are numbered (though he may see out the season).
LVG had a much weaker squad to contend with, and also at that point of his career he was clearly on the decline as a manager.
Mourinho is Mourinho, from a personal view I don’t think he was ever quite the right fit for Manchester United and it wasn’t a surprise to see the toxicity surface after a few seasons.
I can understand why a Manchester United fan wouldn’t want to swap Ole for Rodgers, or why they’d think that the club is progressing in the right direction under Ole despite a few hiccups. I just can’t see how someone would think he’s a better manager than Rodgers at this point in their careers.
I just think that if Rodgers is going to be considered among "the elite" than so should Ole. Look at their accomplishments. Ole winning with Molde is much bigger than Rodgers winning with Celtic. And last year Ole helped lead this team to 3rd place, which is something most fans had already giving to Leicester. I called it back in December last year that Ole would pass Leicester and finish 3rd. Most thought I was crazy. Now, do I like all the decisions Ole has made? Not even close. There have been so many things that I would do different. But you can't deny the results. The biggest thing now is that the board didn't back him. We were the 3rd best team in the league last season. With the transfer window that went by we should have been trying to improve our team. Unfortunately our board failed in that department. Bottom line is with the squad we have we shouldn't be able to finish anywhere higher than 5th with Chelsea and Tottenham having better transfers than us. Hell, even Arsenal had a better transfer window than we did. So I find it hard to blame our manager when he wasn't given the proper tools to succeed and I don't think that bringing in a new manager will change things....
Unpopular opinion:
1. Ancelotti
2. Klopp
3. Pep
4. The rest
1. Ancelotti
2. Klopp
3. Pep
4. The rest
Right now I say.
20 OGS
Although based on last season he would be higher for sure. It is hard to compare different jobs.
20 OGS
Although based on last season he would be higher for sure. It is hard to compare different jobs.
Unfair on Scotty to be so badly judged.
His worst crime was getting a team promoted that was too rubbish to compete.
His worst crime was getting a team promoted that was too rubbish to compete.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Ole’s achievements with Molde might outweigh Rodgers and his work in Scotland, I don’t have a detailed enough understanding of Norwegian and Scottish football to really make an informed comparison.Rodgers though has gotten a team promoted to the premiership and had a brilliant maiden season where Swansea finished 11th, took over at Liverpool when they had finished 8th, and within two seasons had them narrowly miss out on the premier league by a couple points. I just think Rodgers has a better CV at this point in time and if I had to pick between them it’s an easy choice for me. I wouldn’t personally put Rodgers in the elite category but I’d have him in an upper echelon over the likes of Ole, Arteta Lampard etc
I don’t want to be that guy who goes on a Manchester United forum solely to talk down their manager or players. I think it’s a tricky job and Ole has had some real highs.
Rodgers is a better manager than Ole and by quite a margin.
As has been said before it isn’t just looking plainly at results. He finished four points above Rodgers last season but what of their not so comparable budgets?
Rodgers also has his teams playing in a defined way. You knew what style his was at Swansea, Liverpool, Celtic and now at Leicester. We’re almost two years into Ole’s reign and we still haven’t got a style of football.
“You cannot deny the results” Again, this festering of the lowering of standards. Whilst I don’t expect us to be at the levels of city and Liverpool, we won less than half of our league games last season. Oles record here is just over 50% league wins. I shouldn’t need to tell you that is not even close to being the level a club like United should attain to be at. If you win 50% of your games most seasons in the league you will finish between 5th and 7th.
I agree the board let him down in the summer (in the context of closing the gap on city and Liverpool and staying above Chelsea ) but Spurs and Arsenal? Do me a favour. We spent a similar amount to Arsenal and about twenty million less that Spurs. The difference being the managers of these clubs identified weaknesses in their squad and addressed it with the minimal funds they were provided because they’re more clued up than Ole.
Thomas Partey was available for 45 million all summer, the type of player we badly need in our midfield and we go and spend the same amount on another central attacking midfielder. Now I’d love to pretend Ole doesn’t have a say in transfers but if there’s one thing we’ve learnt over the years it’s that our board do allow our managers to pick their transfers for the majority of time and Ole chose to bring in James, Wan Bissaka and Maguire last season for a combined total of 150 million and in all honesty we simply haven’t got our monies worth. It also shows a limit in Oles knowledge on players.
All that being said, I don’t think anyone would be complaining if we sat between 4th and 7th in the table right now as opposed to 15th.
Not Signing Jadon Sancho shouldn’t excuse comprehensive home defeats to Palace and Arsenal.
Not Signing Jadon Sancho shouldn’t excuse us from losing to Istanbul somethingshakir.
Not signing Jadon Sancho shouldn’t excuse us from losing 6-1 at home to Spurs.
This is one of those arguments that has been repeated on so many times, but makes little sense.
Going by this logic, teams like City should be winning home and away to all non top 4 teams (maybe bar Spurs, Leicester and Wolves away), and win atleast their home fixtures vs top 4 sides.
Basically, 19 home wins, and atleast 14 away wins - 99 points minimum every season. But there has been just 1 instance where a team has reached 100 point mark. People have got to understand that it's football, and not simulation where the result is basically decided on the basis of 10000 simulations
It makes perfect sense if you put that in with the rest of what I said as opposed to pulling out and quoting Just that segment, dumbing it down and purely looking at it as win, lose, draw.
In the context of a whole season no those isolated defeats don’t form a total picture. The point being is we’re talking about this happening only 8 games into our campaign and we’ve already produced those results and more importantly those performances, coupled in with being 15th. My point being that us not signing Jadon Sancho should not excuse what has been a disgraceful start to the season.
2 PL those league defeats came against a top 6 opposition - one of which was a defeat by a fine margin - as in a stupid pen given away, and we could have had one of our own, and another defeat in the 1st game of the season - which is quite understandable as we literally had no pre season
Arteta - elite and fat frank potential greatness, ok.
I wonder what these two have done that’s different to Solskjaer. Apart from Arteta fa cup win, that himself, frank and ole were in the semis of
I wonder what these two have done that’s different to Solskjaer. Apart from Arteta fa cup win, that himself, frank and ole were in the semis of
To be fair, we also won to Brighton in about as undeserved a fashion as is possibly imaginable
Reading that article just sums up modern football. Fickle as anything.
Again, it's quite evident we weren't fit. And while it may have seemed like a lame excuse, you could see other managers struggling due to this as well.
And what was the reason for us starting last season in a similarly limp fashion?
2 wins from 9 was it? Was it because of no pre season too? And how come Wolves haven’t made equally as bad a start to their season as they also had a short pre season?
Last season it was injuries. May seem like excuses, but we did get better in terms of results after our players returned.
And Wolves - before international break faced WHU, City, SHU and Fulham. They were beaten by City and WHU. Fulham and SHU have atrocious this season and they beat them by 1 and a 2 goal margin
Not everything is linear, Moyes and Allardyce for example perform well with struggling teams, not sure a Pep would do that. Different teams require different qualities, great managers of lesser clubs don't thrive at bigger clubs sometimes and I think the same would be levied of a top manager going to some smaller clubs as it doesn't always translate, the best way to rank the managers for me is looking at
Top 7 Manager:
Middle Tab Managers:
Potential Relegation Managers:
That way you can similarly compare what's needed/ expected.
Top 7 Manager:
Middle Tab Managers:
Potential Relegation Managers:
That way you can similarly compare what's needed/ expected.
I would take criminally underrated out, put them all in the middle of the road category, I would also drop Rodgers (an elite manager would have got Leicester in the CL from their position at Christmas), Arteta & Santo down one and move Bielsa up one
Pep would relegate smaller team , not sure his method could work with mediocre players , he always need the best player to execute his tactic and style. By the way , i'll drop Bielsa to "sacked soon", just got schooled by Roy Hodgson , such an overrated manager he is, good at theory shite at practice , won almost nothing in over 20 years career.
If you want to win trophies you need top players, simple as that. But i also remember what Cruyff once said about the expensive ones: I've never seen a bag of money score a goal!
I am pretty sure that with an average side Pep will do just fine..
How? Is he incapable of coaching shithouse, hoof and brexit football?
If he was at the bottom - and Rodgers was at the top - why did United finish above Leicester last season. Granted we have better players, but we do not have THAT much better players than Leicester