Is it too early to speculate about who the manager after the next manager will be?
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Nagelsmann or Rose are my choices. The Soton manager is my third option.
Our first great manager played for both City and Liverpool
Personally I think Nagelsmann, Rose and Hassenhuttl would cost too much in compensation. Poch is the easy choice and the manager we'll have soon.
You think Rodgers would be a great manager?
I do. I've posted about this in a few threads. Rodgers is a quality manager. He was already pretty damn good when he managed Liverpool, as annoying as that is, and was very close to winning the league with them in a season when no one would have expected that at the start of it. And since leaving them he's improved a lot as a manager. You can see he's learned the importance of making his teams defensively stable as well. He'll do a good job when next he gets a crack at a big team.
You know he went into that seaon he won his first Bundesliga, with Dortmund as probably about the 6th best team in the league. His BVB team didn’t just beat Bayern, they beat many teams. NO one had them down as league winners, being as they where an incredibly young team (most of his first 11 where 21 and under), and they where financially strapped, and couldn’t spend hardly anything to strengthen. Plus he won it twice by the way, including a league / cup double.
As for Poch, the more I read about him, the less I seem to be able to figure him out. I’ve gone from thinking he was very good, to not being overly impressed at all. He underachieved at Spurs, he had a very good team (many where already there when he arrived), and credit where it’s due, he got them playing well for a while. But it is actually a bit of a travesty that he won nothing. And the season they lost out to Leicester and came 3rd in a two horse race, was a black mark against him, as was the way they fell apart last year. Plus the CL final apperance did rather paper over some cracks, their form domestically had been poor for a while.
But you also have to think he’s learnt a lot since then, the time off surely has given him time to focus and study what went wrong.
Meh, don’t not dislike Rodgers, but I don’t see him as a great manager.
He could probably do better than Ole but a lot of managers could.
He does have an eye for a player and can develop, but still wouldn’t want him
I HATE that I'm already thinking about who could possibly replace Poch in a couple of years time
Would be a shame
Get Poch in definitely but immediately fire Ed and get a proper football system in place. That’s our only viable plan
Whoever it is we should sack him.
Won’t happen alas.
The best we can hope for is that we get someone who can somehow persuade Ed that it would be in his (Ed’s) interest to put a proper system in place. It isn’t going to come from anywhere else.
I don’t think Poch has the tact to do it. Allegri maybe?
Since when the win percentage has become that important really ? It means absolutely nothing. Some clubs are expected to win more than others, period.
It does sound good, because these younger coaches being touted would definitely appreciate having someone like Ragnick in that role.
If they were to come now they may very well be exposed by the unfamiliar setup.
If Rose, Naggelsmann, Poch or whoever and for whatever reason were not available until next year, would you take Benitez as an interim manager like his Chelsea role? Obviously would never happen but hypothetically speaking...
I think he is too past it now.
I like to watch rival football clubs with neutral glasses so I can judge them and I enjoyed his period at Liverpool with Xabi Alonso and other more than he did with any other club afterwards.
Look at the difference Ziyech has made at Chelsea.
All three of those guys are massive downgrades on the last 4 managers we’ve had and binned.
Don’t take this as a personal attack but I hope you’re not one of the posters who says “what has Ole ever won to deserve this job”.
If we’re just chucking names out there, why not get Dean Smith, he would have been welcomed until Villa lost their 100% record. Or shall we take Wilder, what he did with Sheffield U was a miracle. Or Dyche. OP wants Potter. Holy shit.
Stating the obvious but the United job is huge. If we’re sacking Ole we have to get someone who can take the strain and it ain’t any of those guys. Poch is boring and overrated but of the names bandied about, he’s the least likely to fold within a few weeks.
I'd take that. Currently I'm finding it difficult to have one particular manager that I desperately want. I'd see the positives in any of those three. I'd even throw the Soton manager into that mix.
I think we'll probably get Poch though as it's the easy thing to do.
Kinda late response, but John van den Brom is doing it right now in the Low Countries, leaving Utrecht for Racing Genk. It's anyway not all that rare to my mind, although I'm actually struggling to think of other examples...
Are you kidding? Mourinho vs Hassenhutl? Forget it.
To be fair, they have to start somewhere. People would face said the same about Klopp at Mainz but look how quickly he got his reputation. Same with every manager ever.
The fact is the next great manager is out there right now most likely. I get your point but it's not a reason to just stop looking for these reasons.
Give it to giggsy.. He beats everyone.
No matter who comes in please sort out the bloody corners.
K thanx bye.
K thanx bye.
Give it to GiggsyThis stats is moot.
Being a good manager in german will net you more win than managing Southampton in the epl.
Besides if stats is all that matters jose is still the winner in %win
Hasenhüttl, Nagelsmann, Rose all more or less had their breakthrough at RB (Leipzig or Salzburg).
That shows that RB have a great structure, scouting talent not only on but also off the pitch and making it easier for the managers to bed in, learn and get progressively better.
That being said I think that depending on the timing I would think about getting Tuchel as it seems there won‘t be talks about a prolongation at PSG. He might have the right mentality to get more outof our squad.
That shows that RB have a great structure, scouting talent not only on but also off the pitch and making it easier for the managers to bed in, learn and get progressively better.
That being said I think that depending on the timing I would think about getting Tuchel as it seems there won‘t be talks about a prolongation at PSG. He might have the right mentality to get more outof our squad.
True and fair comment. But I don’t think we should be binning Ole to take a chance on most of these guys yet. I’ve never wanted Poch but I am coming around to him being the best choice if Ole goes. (Personally I like Bielsa - that would be a rollercoaster ride).
The thing with most of those guys is that they work under a DoF whereas Poch doesn't. So he'd suit us more in that aspect. It's not like those guys are clearly better than Poch if they even are
I'd want to bring in someone who can modernize the way we play and improve our pressing.
I think any of Nagelsmann, Rose or Hassenhutl would work, but any of these appointments would have to wait until the end of the season.
Poch intrigues me but his silverware track record and the way that Spurs bottled things when it mattered most, don't convince me that he's the right choice.
I think any of Nagelsmann, Rose or Hassenhutl would work, but any of these appointments would have to wait until the end of the season.
Poch intrigues me but his silverware track record and the way that Spurs bottled things when it mattered most, don't convince me that he's the right choice.
The problem is that you think Jose now is the same manager he was in 2010.
He isn't.
Of course Jose's CV is far greater, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of manager he is at this point in time.
There’s no problem. I just don’t rate those guys enough to take a punt on them.
Unless there is a compelling reason to hire someone without any track record of winning (even Ole has won more than most of the guys put forward in this thread, although that’s not the reason we hired him), the CV is important because of the size of the job. Experience of the pressures and preferably a history of success is worth much more than a decent run at the start of a long season in a small club not expected to win many games at all (I’m mainly talking about Hassenhutl here, not forgetting a 9-0 drubbing in the recent past).
I wouldn’t have taken a punt on Klopp until after he won stuff with Dortmund. It’s obvious now that he’s got what it takes but until he proved that it would have been an almighty punt.
Poch doesn’t tick all the boxes but he is a long way ahead of most of the alternatives. It annoys me in some ways because I don’t really rate Poch either but he’s the lesser of the evils at this point.
No I am not saying what has Ole won. The same none of them we are talking about has won anything significant either.
But it's the way they play and how they have developed players and their progress can be seen if you watch football. They also have unknown players who plays as good as the established players. Give them better players and they will be better.
I am not sold on Poch not because he didn't win anything but I simply have not been sold on his football.
No, I just meant that it is a stick used to beat Ole with and a lot of names put forward would really cop the “what has he won” line at the first sign of trouble.
And yes it's fun to idealise a bit. That’s why I would be so happy with Bielsa.
But I’m also thinking pragmatically. The job crushes people. I think about the next guy’s chances of success and I end up thinking we might as well keep Ole.
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