the difference was attitude. Jose was stinking the place up, lost the dressing room, and no one believed he could turn it around.
that’s nowhere near the same for Pep.
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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that’s nowhere near the same for Pep.
Its now moved on to what was the kyptonite of tiki taka. Not being pulled out of position by letting them have the ball until they reach certain areas then mass press. Playing out from the back which ruins their own press and pace on the counter.
I'm going to call it, City won't make the top four without massive investment this transfer window.
Aguero looked like he could barely run when he came on yesterday and Jesus isn't up to the job.
Aguero looked like he could barely run when he came on yesterday and Jesus isn't up to the job.
I think their problem is motivation. They look like they lack the hunger to go and get more titles... something the greatest manager of all time was able to instil into a squad on a consistent basis. It's no slight on Pep that he's struggling with this, most managers do.
It's easier to go to a new environment and put a rocket up their arse to go all out and win titles; resetting their batteries to go again is a whole new mountain to climb.
It's easier to go to a new environment and put a rocket up their arse to go all out and win titles; resetting their batteries to go again is a whole new mountain to climb.
Mahrez scored a Hatrick a few weeks back so he's not exactly dead weight.
On here Mourinho is judged to a completely different standard of manager than anyone, it’s hilarious.
The difference is also the club both are managing. Samuel Luckhurst made a valid point yesterday (which I shared herw too), if pep was at any other big club he would have been sacked. At city he is the boss, so can't see him getting the sack. Although the pressure will start to mount if they continue to drop points.
agreed. The last person that had the sort of power he has was probably Wenger.
Overall his performance this season has been bad despite one or two good ones. Plus, did he do much against us?
from:
Fernandinho
De Bruyne D.Silva
Sterling Aguero Sane
to:
Rodri Gundogan
Mahrez De Bruyne Sterling
Jesus
is a bit of a drop off ... and by a bit I actually mean mammoth.
Fernandinho
De Bruyne D.Silva
Sterling Aguero Sane
to:
Rodri Gundogan
Mahrez De Bruyne Sterling
Jesus
is a bit of a drop off ... and by a bit I actually mean mammoth.
This. But if Pep gets the sack now, as the same juncture points wise as Mourinho was, I don't think anyone will even remotely suggest that his methods are dated and he is finished.
I wonder what the difference is.
And for the record, I don't think Mourinho is washed up
You may not and neither do I. And difference, well Mourinho's squad was a lot poorer than what Guardiola does now and also there are no viruses within.
It'll be interesting to see where City go after Pep, the whole club has been geared for years for his arrival and now he's nearing the end it might be a harder job to maintain success post Pep than Chelsea had for example when Mourinho left the first time
I can confidently predict their approach post Pep will involve truckloads of cash.
They'll do brilliantly to top that first level of investment. The market has changed now, they'll never get the likes of Kompany, Toure, Silva and Aguro for that little money now if such replacements even exist
Exactly.
I don't know why the hell Pep extended his contract since he's allergic to rebuilding his squads.
I don't think many are expecting Pep to turn this around either. His team looks so demotivated it's ridiculous.
Kompany, Silva, and Aguero have really made that club what it is today. They’ve been riding on the back of those early transfers for years, and wouldn’t have achieved half as much without them. They were nothing beforehand.
Now they’re stepping away one by one, it’ll be interesting to see them try to figure out what they do. Considering they've gloated for years about how big and financially powerful they are, transfer costs could be astronomical for them if they fall into a situation where they effectively look desperate for players and a rebuild.
He's there for as long as he wants to be, providing he doesn't get them relegated.
The plan now is for them to get Messi and further increase the brand value of City Football Group, which the signing of Messi will clearly do.
City's strategy seems to be to forcefully complain about anything they see as an injustice or slight. I'm sure they're writing letters right now to the head of referees based on whatever Pep was losing his mind about last night.
The plan now is for them to get Messi and further increase the brand value of City Football Group, which the signing of Messi will clearly do.
City's strategy seems to be to forcefully complain about anything they see as an injustice or slight. I'm sure they're writing letters right now to the head of referees based on whatever Pep was losing his mind about last night.
Pep Guardiola is incredibly overrated by a lot of people. When he went to city people were acting like it was the second coming of Jesus Christ and he was going to win everything with them.
That doesn't mean he isn't one of the best managers around or that he isn't a successful coach but people seem to forget that both of his champion league titles were on the back of one of the best teams of all time.
I'm not saying he didn't have merit there but you can't argue that it becomes a lot easier when you are managing a prime Barcelona.
Even Zidane managed to win 3 champions league on the back of an incredible real madrid side and now he only looks like a semi-decent coach without Ronaldo (although the RM issues are deeper than just losing Ronaldo, he doesn't seem like the type of manager that could win 3 CLs in a row).
That doesn't mean he isn't one of the best managers around or that he isn't a successful coach but people seem to forget that both of his champion league titles were on the back of one of the best teams of all time.
I'm not saying he didn't have merit there but you can't argue that it becomes a lot easier when you are managing a prime Barcelona.
Even Zidane managed to win 3 champions league on the back of an incredible real madrid side and now he only looks like a semi-decent coach without Ronaldo (although the RM issues are deeper than just losing Ronaldo, he doesn't seem like the type of manager that could win 3 CLs in a row).
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Imagine the ire Ole would have generated if we were stumbling to a draw v West Brom and he only made 2 subs. Leaving a player who'd scored a hatrick on the bench for no reason.
This place would be in fury.
I would have taken the day off
To be fair, when Mourinho came 2nd on 81 points with United he hadn't already won the league twice with record breaking points tallies. Pep has won 2 PL titles, 3 Carabao Cups and 1 FA Cup at City, he has some leeway for now.
As is bluemoon after last night. You aren't seeing the same reaction because this isnt a City forum. Half that forum wanted him sacked last night.
Fans only over react about their own club (well most)
Under normal circumstances I'd say City look bored like the manager is not as stimulating as he used to be. Having read some anecdotes on Pep, he's very exacting mentally, similar to Jose in fact.
With the announcement of his contract extension I'd thought performances should improve as it removes the uncertainty of him leaving them and thus him being more committed. So this doesn't look good but Liverpool aren't as dominating as in past seasons so his team still has a chance to get their shit together but they need to react quickly and streak several wins at all costs no matter if they're 'ugly' wins.
Also, a tiny bit difference is Pep won 2 League titles for City, prior to this season; all while playing attractive football. I know, it's easy to forget for some.
He inherited Debruyne, Silva, Sterling and Aguero....bought Gundogan, Rodri, Mahrez and Gabriel Jesus. What has always helped him are his options off the bench, he's in a bit of a pickle.
Mancini > Pep. I know a lot of City fans are desperate to convince themselves it's not true but he was able to identify the right players to actually improve his team, find weaknesses in his squad. Unlike St. Pep whose ego won't allow him to admit Rodri or Mahrez were terrible signings and 4-2-3-1 simply doesn't work.
I have a lot of time for Mancini but his next position after City was Galatasaray. It's safe to say that Pep won't end up at that level after City which says a lot about who had the better City tenure.
Yeah.... No ! I had to stop reading there.
Yes but prior to that Jose came in 6th in the league with us and self-destructed at Chelsea. He also self-destructed at Real too. On top of that he played some utterly dreadful football.
Two seasons ago Pep’s City was one of the best teams the PL has ever seen. A little too early to tell don’t you think?
Think theyll still eventually finish top three but a long way behind Liverpool, for Pep that battle has been clearly lost
Why? He is just another manager that comes and goes. Barcelona and Bayern are still winning stuff (Bayern the champions league). They will adapt like any other club
you can't even begin to compare the squads he left at Barca and Bayern to this City one
For the money he's spent, the legacy he's going to leave behind him at City looks potentially underwhelming.
I’m not sure it says that much about who had the better City tenure, more about their status as managers. Pep could miss out on Champions League twice in a row, win nothing, get a boot and he’d be still a hot name for top clubs for his (IMO slightly undeserved) reputation he gained in Barça and Bayern.
And if you want to responsibly compare tenures of managers you have to look at what they inherited, what structure they had in place. Here Pep has every edge over Mancini, so even if City are a better team under him and won more, you have to wonder if he really achieved what was expected from him (including CL, impossible without Messi), what will he leave for the next guy and who elevated City to their status as one of the favorites in Premier League every season. Mancini might’ve been a more important figure for them in a greater scheme of things, especially if Pep wins nothing more there.
Leave him alone!
Its possible to believe Mancini was the more important manager for City, taking into consideration your valid points, and also believe Guardiola by far is the better manager. I think my last sentence was confusing reading it again.