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2021 American Civil War
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Why is he on a house phone?
All that tough talk refusing to go and a slight nudge gets him to leave
Crazy. The level of violence accepted in the US when it comes to suppressing protests is horrifying.
Do you find it even a teeny bit reassuring that this violence isn’t just being meted out to BLM/antifa protestors? Because, to me, that would be even more worrying than the violence alone.
Seems like a total feckup from everyone involved. Why did the police do nothing, only to suddenly shoot and kill random unarmed people? Why was there so little security? Did they even have riot gear?
There will undoubtedly be a big investigation where they'll uncover new information many years from now
There will undoubtedly be a big investigation where they'll uncover new information many years from now
Just to be clear on this amazing decision to ban Donald for 12 hours.
Kirkduyt: suck a bag of dicks Donald!
Banned for life.
Donald: lets violently overthrow democracy!
Banned for 12 hours.
Donald: twitter is unfair to me!!
Sounds about right.
Kirkduyt: suck a bag of dicks Donald!
Banned for life.
Donald: lets violently overthrow democracy!
Banned for 12 hours.
Donald: twitter is unfair to me!!
Sounds about right.
That video looks really bad. Shooting into a separate area that already contains what look to be police or army, doesn't seem appropriate. Of course I wasn't there though so I can't say for sure what the risk was.
"Pushing me for no reason"...
"No reason", you stupid cnut.
"No reason", you stupid cnut.
This was after the capitol had been stormed... do you really think the capitol would ever have gotten to the state it got to if the protestors were BLM protestors or Muslim protestors instead of white protestors? Not a chance in hell. The difference in how this was handled vs BLM protests just recently in the same city is night and day. It’s stark.
I really hope everyone of those idiots caught clearly on camera get their due punishment. Surely it would be an open-and-shut case? They must have broken a dozen laws.
shes trying to jump into a barricaded area with about 7 pistols drawn on her. The gall of assuming she could just continue unharmed is breathtaking. A stupid women, dead, because she wanted to overthrow the government for a TV gameshow host.
I believe there is a chance you could've arrested her after jumping through. WHYYYY are you trying to jump in that room?
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Yeah, Pogue's post was confusing. Pretending that we are simply talking about protesters, as if pipe bombs and storming the capitol didn't happen before that. If anything I'm amazed by the lack of violent response, I'm confident that it would have been handled differently in France.
Quite the opposite. The shooting would have started immediately if that was a BLM group attempting to invade the building, or even if it wasn't a predominantly white group. They wouldn't have got through the door.
Kinda exactly what I'd expect to happen if I tried to storm the Capitol, White House, 10 Downing Street, Westminster etc.
Stupid feck, and she's ex military too, what the feck did she expect would happen? They'd just let her in, possibly armed? Fecking utter swamp donkeys.
Surely there's some leeway given to the officer who shot that woman, considering where they were? This wasn't out on the street, they were trying to break into a barricaded up part of a government building. It's crazy how they even got that far without being stopped. I don't think pushing them back would've done much good.
Haven't BLM/antifa been storming and damaging federal buildings throughout the US this year?
I don't remember BLM ever going near the most important building in the US, filled to the brim with the US fecking Senate, no.
Agreed with this. They stormed a govt building with the specific intent to disrupt & halt the democratic process. This wasn’t a protest the moment they decided to attack Capitol & intimidate Senators. It meets the standard for it to be referred to as domestic terrorism. If these were a group of black or brown people, the police response would’ve been a lot harsher before they even got to the doors, let alone got in.
If they did would you want them shot? Even if they were unarmed?
How do any of the cops there know they are unarmed?
In a country of that many guns, in THAT BUILDING, with the fecking Senate inside, no fecking way can they can just allow people in. Are you fecking kidding me with the suggestion?
"Come on in people, I'm sure you're all unarmed and peaceful. And next week we'll have open day at the White House, you're welcome there too".
I don’t think the poster you quoted said they’d want them shot? I assume they’re saying that it’s a potential consequence to invading a government building.
It's not a matter of what we want. If you violently get into the Capitol, try to force entry into a barricaded area of the Capitol and ignore warnings from outnumbered police officers then everyone knows where this situation is logically likely to end.
It's a miracle they didn't get shot when they entered the first door.
The video clearly shows other police officers right behind the woman. There would have been other ways to deter her from trying to enter the room. American police is just way too trigger-happy, regardless of the situation. We've seen that countless times.
I know Donald Trump has no conscience and therefore he won't care but he's responsible for this. Yes, he did not pull the trigger - but that only means the responsibility isn't his alone.
Well done. Nice logic, sounds familiar
He most likely didn't know that they were climbing the stairs.
So in the aftermath, how many arrests have been made?
You don't think that's a natural consequence of everyone having arms?
How do any of those cops know those people don't have a semi automatic weapon with them and want to get to the senate with it?
Yeah I'm not gonna lose any sleep over some dead Nazis.
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Purpose of the question was to see if it was just the footballification of politics that was underpinning the response
Agree with this, you can trace this back to their stupid gun obsession.
Even if he did... if you let one woman enter that room does he think everybody else is just gonna stand back whilst you arrest her because more likely than not you suddenly have a hundred people in there and who or whatever the officer has been told and trained to defend using deadly force if necessary is suddenly in a lot more danger
It looked like a provocative question for the sake of it and an attempt at equating two totally different context which has been going on in the last few pages.
The "footballification of politics", someone has an unhealthy James O'Brien obsession
It's certainly a part of it, yes. It's been also suggested that they receive a lot less training than in many other countries, and a "we're at war" kind of rhetoric is part of that training.
Is this one a more justifiable shooting than killing Breonna Taylor in her bed? Obviously it is. That doesn't mean it couldn't have been avoided with a more competent police force.
Racist America in full flow. My colleague is having a go at me for bringing race into it. I told him to feck off. No way a group of black protesters storm the US capitol, it just won't happen.
Given their track record, it is actually kind of incredible how long the police waited before using their firearms, and equally incredible that they only fired a single shot when they did. Could have been so much worse in many ways.
Really? I think you're underestimating how quickly a mob can overwhelm a small police force and "if" a few of them have a weapon or two, well, soft policing could lead to something extremely deadly.
You simply don't storm these buildings.
Quick question for those in the know, were they regular police?