Mentalities are far more aligned with LEOs & the rioters than with BLM.
2021 American Civil War
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It's shocking to see the difference in treatment and handling.
Incredible.I feel entretained right now. Let the games continue!
Watching what scenes we do have of the protestors breaching what barriers were set up, it does seem that the mob achieved a sort of "strategic surprise". Whatever the security plan was, it wasn't anywhere near enough to deal with the number of people involved. This will have to be seriously looked into, whether it was just a massive blunder or something else. I expect the head of Capital Police will not be retaining his job in either case.
But once the Capitol Police realize that they don't have anywhere near the numbers necessary to hold the lines they erected, it makes sense to retreat to an inner perimeter to shorten you lines and make them more defensible. Starting at that point though, the LEOs present somehow seem very lackadaisical about the whole thing, and never re-established any other kind of line except at the doors of the senate and house chambers it seems.
Their planning also probably didn't help, in the sense that their contingencies are probably mainly around hypothetical jihadi terrorist threats and lone/pair gunman type of events. You saw they had protocols about how/where to start evacuating congresspeople and staffers to via the underground tunnels that exist. Not that they did a great job of that either given what we know about some members and staff having to barricade in their offices. But in any case the evacuation plan further takes away personnel that might otherwise be used to hold some kind of inner perimeter.
So overall it was the strategic level plan that failed the most I think, not having enough personnel or the right equipment to erect barriers that could effectively be held and kept the mob from the building. From then on there's no point in 4 cops trying to hold a line vs tens to hundreds of people, especially if the line has already been breached elsewhere and those cops are essentially outflanked. But there were definitely a lot of displays of some lackadaisical defending we might say, incl fecking posing for selfies that need to be investigated.
Seeing the tweets of those who got inside stay within the red ropes you may have a point
I don't think it was actually stopping them getting in but just pathing them to walk around judging by that brief clip, could be wrong. I think it's more likely to be pathetic health and safety concerns of managing the crowd than police being in support which Twitter seems to think.
Amazing
check out the amended version in the replies as well.One thing is for sure the security needs to be ramped up once Biden is in office, not just in terms of man power but stronger doors, barricades, escape points etc. I don't think we've seen the last of this going by the way they are talking about it they think they achieved something.
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My favourite current take on this is the alt right loons now trying to retrofit some of the more prominent protesters/rioters/terrorists as being Antifa.
Imagine the ignomy of being labelled a commie after dragging yourself off Fortnite for the first time in a year to go kick off in at the Capitol.
Imagine the ignomy of being labelled a commie after dragging yourself off Fortnite for the first time in a year to go kick off in at the Capitol.
Different rules for different types of people.
I agree with this.
It was known for weeks in advance that the rally was happening . It was known that Trump was going to encourage the crowd to take action. It was known that the entire Congress would be in joint session. All of the threats from QAnoners and the Proud Boys (etc) were clearly tracked on social media.
Without Trumpite appointees and sychophants deliberately gumming up the works and acting to facilitate the security breach there could have been - and clearly should have been - massive and overwhelming security protection ringed right around the Congress buildings - riot police, water-cannons, many thousands of other police, National Guard - the whole works.
I never even though about thatSeeing the tweets of those who got inside stay within the red ropes you may have a point
I don't think it was actually stopping them getting in but just pathing them to walk around judging by that brief clip, could be wrong. I think it's more likely to be pathetic health and safety concerns of managing the crowd than police being in support which Twitter seems to think.
Shocking the windows were so easily breakable as well.
No clue why they all aren’t at least bulletproof.
Coup enabler not being gangster anymore when shit got real...
This is possible. To my mind though the Police and Mayor, politicians, those in control had plenty of advance intelligence that this was coming. It is suspicious that not enough officers were available early on whilst plenty were on tap later, even then they did not shoot or use potentially dangerous tools such as water cannon.
I can't help thinking that at the end of the day deaths were very low given the overall numbers of the insurrection. People compare this to actions and outcomes to other protests but maybe some clever thinking was that these protesters, supporters of Trump aren't using the deaths of 50, 100 and upwards today as undoubtable proof that their Free Speech, Rights to Protest etc have been denied, they have the martyrs to prove it that their QNON fuelled, Trump added combustible material, beliefs are not in doubt at all. The next step is all out Civil War against Dems and pussy Republicans. It's just my personal conspiracy theory that I'll forget all about next week.
Their bosses told to let them in probably?
The US civil war was like 150 years ago and the entire thing was founded like 250 years ago. Is it really surprising that the whole thing is so unstable.
Roger Stone brought Trump to the 1988 Rep national convention where he touted Trump as future Republican Presidential candidate. trump was never a Dem.
The only connection to Dems that I know of was him giving donations to certain campaigns that benefitted him, like he did with Reps, and like all businessman, elites, and wealthy persons do. Yeah, he's in pictures with this Dem or that Dem, just like with any other known person. It's the circles these people run around in or find themselves in. Take Hannity for example - diehard Rep yet has dinner and hangs out with people from the other side and desperately wants to be accepted in those Dem/liberal/Hollywood circles like Trump.
They didn’t open the gates to let them in, people making out like that was the gate into it all when there’s clearly already people behind that and at the side of it, that looked just like a ‘pathway edging’, not the defence line ffs, terrorists could have just walked around the slightly longer way
I’m never amazed at people making stuff up just to say ‘that wouldn’t have happened if...’ but still quick to cry about whataboutism.
seeing that other video below the steps the police were severely out numbered, outflanked and basically set up on and looked in danger, they didn’t ‘open the gate to let them in’.
there clearly wasn’t enough of them due to someone higher
I’m never amazed at people making stuff up just to say ‘that wouldn’t have happened if...’ but still quick to cry about whataboutism.
seeing that other video below the steps the police were severely out numbered, outflanked and basically set up on and looked in danger, they didn’t ‘open the gate to let them in’.
there clearly wasn’t enough of them due to someone higher
Well, it had started soon after the storming with Fox news and others. Yesterday the Daily Caller (?) had a report and a tweet with the picture of the dude wearing those horns storming the Capitol in the BLM protest as well saying he was antifa. But ofcourse, they had edited the picture removing the Q placard he was carrying then as a counter-protester to the BLM protest. They seemed to have removed that report and tweet now though.
Trump’s literally been a registered Democrat, was such for almost eight years in the 00s.
Has anyone ever been near a serving politician with security detail? I have. Gordon Brown when he was PM. Do you know who was with him? A bunch of armed former SAS blokes.
Imagine that during any one of those events I, someone who was in close contact to him frequently, came up to him when the place suddenly got locked down due to rioting. Imagine I've got a bag with unknown contents in it and they're telling me to back off as I climb through a barricade I've just broken through. I doubt one of those blokes would bat an eye before shooting me.
Why? Because there's a fecking riot going on and their number one priority is their charge's safety.
Weird flex but ok
Imagine that during any one of those events I, someone who was in close contact to him frequently, came up to him when the place suddenly got locked down due to rioting. Imagine I've got a bag with unknown contents in it and they're telling me to back off as I climb through a barricade I've just broken through. I doubt one of those blokes would bat an eye before shooting me.
Why? Because there's a fecking riot going on and their number one priority is their charge's safety.
Weird flex but ok
Yeah. You even see protestors already on the other side of the barrier wandering about.
A bunch of??????????????
Which means nothing as he was a grifting NYC real estate developer who never supported actual liberal causes and posted racist ads in the NYT and just tried to leverage a relationship with state and city officials who were Dems.
I suppose you could say he was like a 1850 Southern Democrat
A bunch of
You said this with such confidence too.
Not exactly what you said, though.
I agree that he is simply a grifter. He’s not a Republican either. He did support abortion rights for decades, so that’s a tally on his ‘liberal’ side. He probably needed to avail himself of several over the years.
He was just keen enough to realize his populism spoke more to the mental deficients that inhabit the right, they were the easily manipulated ones who could propel him to the presidency.
Grapes I am assuming!
Oh yeah man I smashed through those grapes like I would Kate Beckinsale.
Thought so. Ironic is it not.
And it all went down hill from there...
So quickly with juices everywhere?
South Carolina’s said he’s going after anyone from SC who was shown to be in the Capitol.
I was just questioning the reason for removing the barriers really. Whether it was a tactic to herd them into another area etc. Otherwise you'd just fall back. As someone said maybe it's a standard health and safety thing
Animaniacs were the absolute pinnacle of cartoons.
Kind of a tangent here but that the Boston bomber isn't considered 'white' shows that the whole racial categorisation is essentially arbitrary. He could easily pass as an Italian or Greek.
I know this isn't some great insight but still, it's ridiculous that Gennaro Gattuso and Erling Haaland are both white but this guy isn't.