If you are the best or one of the best in your field, i mean a genius that is filthy rich and basically a god in the football world, it is likely you will end up like that. Hard to stay really humble
Lionel Messi’s Obscene Contract
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Pelé and Maradonna really struck me as humble after they retired. I imagine they will say the same about C. Ronaldo.
I remember a time when people said footballers wouldn't earn more than 100 grand in a week. That aged well.
It absolutely does.
If Barca are paying Messi €2m+ a week, Griezmann or Suarez feel they can earn 6/7/800k a week. It has a snowball effect round the squad. It is just the way it works.
They were earning more than they were spending
Suarez was already earning that and didn't ask for a raise, and griezmann was getting that at atletico
They absolutely could have paid everyone else less. The problem is when you sign guys for transfer fees in excess of 100M, or sign experienced players who are already big earners at other clubs, you have to pay them big wages too
A time where the ticket price for a football game was several pounds, I presume
Some of us made the point last August/September that Barca should grab the chance to sell high to City and cut their losses. I could imagine they could have pumped maybe 80m out of City for this statement signing. Add that to saving 50m this season on wages and this picture looks much better and spares them the acrimony of that whole affair too.
If it were my club I'd have wanted to see that, as well as significant efforts to cut losses on Griezmann, Coutinho, Dembele and Suarez. Start all over and go more with youth over the next two seasons.
It is frankly amazing that they chose not to exploit City's interest last summer.
If it were my club I'd have wanted to see that, as well as significant efforts to cut losses on Griezmann, Coutinho, Dembele and Suarez. Start all over and go more with youth over the next two seasons.
It is frankly amazing that they chose not to exploit City's interest last summer.
Bloody hell. Messi makes more per year than Atletico Madrids entire annual wage bill.
Bleeding the club dry that made him a star. Sickening.
I used to talk to a guy who was sure that Messi was a better human being to Ronaldo because he was a one man club like Paul Scholes is. I wonder if he is still of the same opinion considering that he's bankrupting his club
Not sure about others but I labelled him greedy cause he committed €4m worth of tax fraud.
Anyone confirmation that the leaked details are true though? I don't find it completely unrealistic, but it's still a pretty mental contract.
What would this forum be like do we think if our club was in a financial mess, and the top earner was a club legend, arguably goat, but effectively destroying the club.
would you want rid, to relinquish the funds and help towards the debt/rebuild?
or perhaps because of the club legend/goat status would you want him to remain?
id be in the get rid camp
would you want rid, to relinquish the funds and help towards the debt/rebuild?
or perhaps because of the club legend/goat status would you want him to remain?
id be in the get rid camp
Yeah to commit €4mill of tax fraud when your earning more than that a month is fecking ridiculous on an epic scale.
I mean, he’s either spending more than he’s earning or he’s being a greedy Cnut and avoiding taxes after being already incredibly wealthy, it’s clearly the latter.
Good for him. I too like to make the most money possible for the work that I do
It's hard to say, but El Mundo is not a tabloid or sports paper, so I give them the benefit of the doubt with the details. The deputy director of the paper Martí Saballs put his name on the article, so they must be pretty confident on the veracity of these claims.
Interesting thing is who leaked it. I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the candidates for the presidency. No one wants to have that contract in their running of an almost bankrupt company.
What if it was SAF? It's a closer comparison really.... he spearheaded the Utd brand when it was going from heights of worldwide mega fanbases. Messi's took Barca to a similar level, though Barca weren't as low as Utd, but their brand and appeal has gone to another level in the past 10 years. Barca have absolutely raked it in thanks to the appeal of Messi... he's given them the freedom to take losses on others to a degree,
Between both parties they've probably done enough damage that's hurt the appeal of them being together past this year anyway. It realistically is the natural end....
So, he actually complained about the board not doing enough to bring Neymar back or to make an effort to pay Suárez what he wanted for 20-21?? Little greedy bastard: it was his damn fault since nearly all the (debt) budget was spent solely on him. He needs to go this summer.
From what I can gather both parts are responsible as some people think Messi is blameless in collecting all that money from that contract he was offered. Of course they were negotiations and an agreement happened when the club was able to match Messi's demands so he also has been an active factor in all of this. The institution holds more responsibility in handling their finances like that, specially when it comes to players that aren't half as good as Messi and also collecting enormous wages but it's silly to state that Messi's camp has nothing to do in his contract being what it is.
Is questionable if he's worth it that much specially when it cripples the ability of the club to sign other players but this still has been very petty from Barcelona to leak it and throw him under the bus like that. I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish with this as it makes everyone involved look bad.
It's hard to say. He's still been far and away their best player since he signed that contract and he brings them prestige. He's in the eyes of most, the best player of the modern era. I'd lose all interest in Barcalona now with Messi gone. Personally I don't think it's fair to say he's destroying the club. If those details are true, he's overpaid even if he's the worlds best, but look at wages and transfers fees they have wasted on players that have barely delivered at all. I'd rather say their overall transfer and managent strategy has ruined the club than pin most of it on Messi.
I've got no problem for Messi requesting as much money as possible, you only have one career, it's not your responsibility to think of the team as a whole when it comes to contract situations (even though this is a tactic teams will try to use during negotiations). I do have a big problem with Barcelona being stupid enough to agree to it, but then again they are incompetent and just a poorly run club overall so it's no surprise.
Ooooooh...good comparison. Tough decision as well if SAF. Think I’d still be in the same camp.
Well they had their years with him where no one could touch them, so now maybe it's payback time.
But if we could have a Messi like player for the next 10 years that give us CL's, titles, jealously, etc, then I'd take the greed and crap that comes when things fade away.
But if we could have a Messi like player for the next 10 years that give us CL's, titles, jealously, etc, then I'd take the greed and crap that comes when things fade away.
this is an insanely moronic take. The Baird having pitiful signings with bad contracts since neymar left has far more to do with their financial woes than Messi.
Tons of dumb takes in this topic
From the athletic:
Best line across the 10 page 'investigation' is from @CiriaMarc
"Messi is responsible for 30% of Barca's income. His salary is normal. Umtiti's salary, for instance, is not."
Best line across the 10 page 'investigation' is from @CiriaMarc
"Messi is responsible for 30% of Barca's income. His salary is normal. Umtiti's salary, for instance, is not."
Messi ruining the club ffs, how about bad contracts like coutinho, griezman and umtiti?! Absolutely terrible take
How much does Barca get from his image rights and shirt sales?
Not to mention, he's carried them in that period. All the big name signings to replace the "Old guard" have been flops. Just like with us.
ronaldo dodged taxes as well. It’s moronic but even former united legends have done it
he personally isn’t ruining the club. His wages however, which I acknowledge were offered to him, are having a significant impact on the club. There’s no denying that much to be true.
Of course Griezman, Coutinho and Dembele figures don’t help either.
its jaw dropping money, don’t get me wrong but I have yet to hear from one Barca fan or reputable media say it’s not worth or it is too much. Even Real Madrid fans in this topic are one fo the very few with good takes says it all in regards to people just seeing the pay and acting likes he holding Barca hostage when the club still wouldn’t let him leave when he asked to. Once Laporta comes back in we should hopefully be less of a circus
I'm not saying they haven't, I'd say the same about them.
At the end of the day everybody would dodge taxes if they could, but a lot of hard working underpaid people don't get away with it, why should somebody on a million a week even consider it? I mean when is enough money, enough money?
https://theathletic.com/2018881/2020/08/27/financial-case-selling-messi-barcelona-transfer/amp#click=https://t.co/4Y3tVp1QPa
In a nutshell, losing Messi in the long term would be far more disastrous than keeping him in the short based on what revenue the club makes off of him.
It's the whole structure of payment that is wrong with them, if they play a shit ton to Coutinho, Griezmann, etc. noramlly Messi would want more and maybe the other way around as well. So it's not on him alone but he definitely has made demands to get better contracts and getting a bonus just for signing the contract is greedy as feck.
So it's not solely his fault but more like issues within the organization and they're now throwing him under the bus, so yeah it's going to get ugly over there.
Just scored a great free kick
Don't think they pay him enough
Don't think they pay him enough
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I don’t disagree with anything you said. It’s pathetic, just that lots of players do it and I agree it’s scummy. But not just Messi
I summed it up but I don’t want to get in trouble for posting it. Here’s a snippet though:
Barca received €71.6 million from “normal” ticket sales for games, which was up 17.6 per cent on the previous year, when visitor numbers to the Catalan capital were affected by a terrorist attack in August 2017. They also took in €22 million from VIP and hospitality, a rise of 16 per cent on 2017-18, with Barca themselves claiming that more than 250 companies brought over 35,000 guests to the stadium to see games. Each “normal” year, they sell 900,000 tickets for games and 15,000 VIP packages.
This combined €93.6 million from match days is much higher than the €60.88 million which Barca took in from their club socios in 2018-19, of which just over €40 million was for season tickets. Overall, it means that the 900,000 one-off visitors who bought a ticket for just one game are more valuable to Barca financially than their 110,000 socio members, who are very unlikely to buy a new shirt every time they visit the stadium.
Maybe not that many socios would decide against renewing were Messi to leave but how many of the day-trippers making a once-in-a-lifetime pilgrimage might decide to change their destination should their favourite player now be performing elsewhere?
I posted a snippet from the Athletic article