It really is this simple. When a United fan says it the accusation is bitterness or some tangent to discussing Uniteds own massive failures when trying to catch up, as if there are only 2 teams in England. But yes, this is the summary
Man City 2020/21 - General discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I can only think of Ronaldo who united had to cash in on, i can't think of 1 player from Madrid, Barca had no choice with Naymar, we lost Sane to Bayern.
I think with the exception of Aguero, in the past we've never had a player who the other clubs would want who would immediately improve the first XI now we have potentially 4 or 5 but it's come at a time of covid and Barca are skint.
Also nett spend doesn't allow for player costs
Cavani cost United nothing but will probably cost £10m in salary, united purchase Van de Beek for the same price as city pay for Ake, assuming they're on the same salary no difference in nett spend though if you use accounting practices United have probably spent 20% more (assuming no other players purchased), neither treks the whole story but nett spend ignores more IMO
I actually think wage bill is more reliable in measuring squad quality than transfer fees paid. Lewandoski, Sane were bought for less than market value but their salary is likely a true reflection of their abilities. You can sign Messi on a free transfer yet pay him 1M per week
Every player gets a salary, not everyone gets a transfer fee
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The world of football is indecent and disgusting even without those regimes in the picture. I recommend looking at all my comments in the previous two or three pages.
What do you dispute there?
Nothing sorry, city are a commercial powerhouse and they could fill their stadium two times over every week
Exactly my thoughts
Wasn't it proven that Mansour was actually paying most of the Etihad sponsorship from his own pocket. He was in effect paying it anyway as Etihad is owned by his family. As of 17/18 £170M of your revenue has come from Abu Dhabi based sponsorship deals
Even their fans are too embarrassed to support them in any numbers.
None will admit it but none of the Berts I know get overly excited about this lot.
None will admit it but none of the Berts I know get overly excited about this lot.
Curious what you mean by this.
Many of the old & new school Berts i know are delighted with the Mansour era. It gives many of them even greater satisfaction at the way they've done things. They take a perverse satisfaction in the clubs corruption & are fully bought in.
I think a large part of this is them never really having a place in the football pyramid. Due to their fan base & spending they could never be grouped to the small clubs, but their achievements were on a similar level. They didn't belong with medium sized clubs as they were constantly up & down the divisions. They are now competing with the Elite but don't really belong their due to buying there place at the table & having no heritage.
They have now found their place with PSG. This is a Super Elite where entry is impossible without State backing.
This sounds like a bunch of classist nonsense but for football clubs
Its spot on.
It can be spot on and nonsense at the same time. Like old money hating new money. It's a phenomenon, but from the outside... It's just a dick measuring contest.
Yes, fair point but it is spot on.
city, a bit like PSG, are an anomaly.
And a fairly dodgy one at that if you look at their finances.
with respect, but what a load of absolute horseshit
It wasn't so long ago we were being told that we could spend all the money we like, we'll only ever have mercenary misfits who never gel sufficiently to win anything
As that argument has been comprehensively destroyed, people just look for something else to throw at us
What's particularly ironic is that of course it was once United who were known as moneybags for having a rich sugar daddy
As that argument has been comprehensively destroyed, people just look for something else to throw at us
What's particularly ironic is that of course it was once United who were known as moneybags for having a rich sugar daddy
You should probably read the CAS decision: https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf.
You could even just read the title of the 2-page CAS decision press statement if you're short on time: https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf.
First pep can't play his football in the mighty premier league. He successfully adapts his football and dominates.
Then he couldn't dominate like he did Spain and Germany, his points per game is higher than it was in both Spain and Germany.
Now people bring up the money when City had all this money before Pep came.
Ultimately, we should be competing with City. We've spent almost the same amount of money and the quality difference is stark. They are just properly organised. Even Klopp said we are like Disney Land ffs. All this complaining about their spending when we have done the same makes us look bitter. After seeing Liverpool win the league last season...
The whole structure of the club needs to change.
Then he couldn't dominate like he did Spain and Germany, his points per game is higher than it was in both Spain and Germany.
Now people bring up the money when City had all this money before Pep came.
Ultimately, we should be competing with City. We've spent almost the same amount of money and the quality difference is stark. They are just properly organised. Even Klopp said we are like Disney Land ffs. All this complaining about their spending when we have done the same makes us look bitter. After seeing Liverpool win the league last season...
The whole structure of the club needs to change.
I have no problem with outside investment to clubs to increase the competitiveness of the league. If not for outside investment, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City and Everton won't be where they are today. How can a club like Leicester or Everton climb up the table/challenge for title, increase their marketability, thus generate more revenue without external investment? The big clubs are against it only because they want to protect their leading position in the league, and protect their revenue.
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in the 90s, all the players want to go to Man Utd, now it is no longer the case, which is very good for the league.
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in the 90s, all the players want to go to Man Utd, now it is no longer the case, which is very good for the league.
Wasn’t it Woody who said the Disney bit?
I think it was Klopp when United was trying to recruit him. Club structure is almost as important now as the cash.
I don't believe anybody would have said you were not going to win the league when it became known the levels of investment you were to receive. Chelsea & Blackburn both went down the same route & won the league. It's incomprehensible to think a club backed by a state isn't going to win things.
It's clutching at straws to compare Mansour & Gibson's respective roles. Gibson donated money to save the club. There was no money for transfers. An academy had to be formed to bring players through. In the end Gibson invested £30K which is £500K in today's money. You are still reliant on Mansour's funding 13 years after takeover. With infrastructure, transfers & wages you have had well over £2 Billion of investment.
Manceltic City
He is spot on actually.
Depressingly machine like
You do realise our owners take money out of the club and pay part of (their debt) every year about 100m. That is more than 1b pounds since Mansour took over city and poured 2b into city.
Pushed close tonight luckily they somehow found the energy to dominate the last 20
luckily they somehow found the energy to dominate the last 20Congrats to the United Arab Emirates for winning the league. And special thanks to FIFA to allow them to cheat and get away with it.
When they win the quadruple this season, that will be the death of football for me
When they win the quadruple this season, that will be the death of football for me
I feckin hate playing Pep teams. Gives me CL final throwbacks when I felt literally sick of how dominant his Barca were.
Luckily I will miss the game so I'll only re-watch if we get a result.
Luckily I will miss the game so I'll only re-watch if we get a result.
Yeah, luckily..Pushed close tonight
I thought the final score reflected the game.
I tell you what. I hope a lot of United fans on here now understand the benefits of having a squad full of top competition for places.
All those complaints about signing the likes of Zlatan, Sanchez, Lukaku, Halaand and Cavani because it would ‘block the development’ of Greenwood, Martial and Rashford. Or that idiot from Rotherham who told me that signing Zlatan was forcing Rashford and Martial to compete with each other.
All those complaints about signing the likes of Zlatan, Sanchez, Lukaku, Halaand and Cavani because it would ‘block the development’ of Greenwood, Martial and Rashford. Or that idiot from Rotherham who told me that signing Zlatan was forcing Rashford and Martial to compete with each other.
Yeah I feel it will be a sad day in this great game too but looks like there is no one to stop them
Head and shoulders above anyone else in the league at the moment. To think some of us believed we were in a title race
I was being sarcastic. Of course they won comfortably I could have told you that a week ago.
At least it isn't Liverpool walking the league again, I suppose.
Doping (PED) i am 100% sure this team is full of it and there is a long history of it with Guardiola.
Is this where you go off for a nice cry?
I give up, some people will never accept some things. I wrote much about this topic in the previous pages, yet it seems guys like you never read. No one proclaimed death of football after Berlusconi took over Milan in the 80s, why would him be ok, but not a sheik? And, in modern football, the only way to compete with top clubs is by huge amounts of money. The honest route is impossible, see Ajax. And even clubs who aren't owned by sheiks are still often sponsored by them. In modern football, all money is dirty and we shouldn't draw a line of what corruption is ok and what isn't.
I'd still rather be Ajax... Or us.