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Great player. The ultimate version of Carrick.
They used to say the same about Victor Valdez, who I always thought was very error prone and not very good at all. But he won a lot with that team and ended up with most Zamora (or whatever it is called) trophies for a GK. Its easy to do that when they dominated possession the way they did.I think he's been absolutely incredible and pivotal to their success.
Carrick could have hypothetically done a decent enough job in his peak years, yes. However, Busquets had a bit extra in his toolkit for the purposes of Barcelona and Spain — better reaction times, greater suitability to one-touch play, superior composure against the press, more deftness on the ball, and so on — folks can play the chicken-or-egg game all day long to chip away at his preeminence, but he remains the quintessential choice for certain schemes. Though on the flip side, Busquets probably would not have been as effective as prime Carrick for United as he often flinched in the face of physical challenges, and didn't relish open games that called for a more vertical approach (which were Michael's bread and butter on the domestic front). Horses for courses, I suppose.I’ve seen Busi over a decade and I think... could could Carrick not do the job?
He obviously could have. Don't be fooled by all this, Yaya was doing the job brilliantly himself. It's nothing special for a player with those qualities.I’m not going to feckin’ refute all this stuff.
I’ve seen Busi over a decade and I think... could could Carrick not do the job?
Explain it to me like I’m 5.
The way people talk about Carrick on here (and I largely agree) I'd have thought there'd be consensus on Busquets. Barca's period of dominance relies on a world class player like him. I'd be surprised if any of his ex teammates do not fully give credit to him.They used to say the same about Victor Valdez, who I always thought was very error prone and not very good at all. But he won a lot with that team and ended up with most Zamora (or whatever it is called) trophies for a GK. Its easy to do that when they dominated possession the way they did.
Don't think DDG would have saved this. Clearly wouldn't have collected the cross that's for sure. 9 clean sheets in 16 matches and 0.67 goals per game.
David has 12 clean sheets in 33 matches and 1.15 goals conceded per game.
I know which player I would pick.
Scholes is not in the same class as Zidane and Xavi and certainly not ahead of ZidaneThis is my thinking.. until I have to pick other 2 player. Surely it’s Xavi, Scholes. Then Zidane..?
true but they were just fine with Senna and also Marquez back in the day.One of the best ever in his position. He's underappreciated because he keeps it super simple and doesn't do anything particularly outlandish or noticeable, but if being at the right place and making the right pass all the time was easy everyone would do it. Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have functioned nearly as well without Busquets consistently holding the fort behind them.
It took a long time for Carrick to be recognized, both by United fans and football fans in general, as a great midfielder, let alone one of the best in the league. He had a similarly unassuming way of playing the game that was easy to overlook unless you paid close attention, but for some reason or another we just seemed to be winning way more games when he was on the pitch. Darndest thing. Busquets is/was basically Carrick dialled up to 11.
agree with the first bit. he is different to AlonsoHe's nowhere close to Xavi or Iniesta. I'd put him behind Xabi Alonso too.
But I'd say he was still world class in his prime.
agreedHe's a level or 2 below Iniesta who's a level below Xavi.
World class at his pomp though.
No he would not do that. He lacks the creativity do transform a team. What he did was mostly creating a safety net for his teammates - give him the ball, and your team will not lose it. But he is not the one who can really take it forward much. He is great for a possession-focused style of play, but he never made the difference between useless possession and useful possession. In a way I think one could say, he would have transformed this United side into the van Gaal United side, having a lot of possession and no idea how to use it.The way people talk about Carrick on here (and I largely agree) I'd have thought there'd be consensus on Busquets. Barca's period of dominance relies on a world class player like him. I'd be surprised if any of his ex teammates do not fully give credit to him.
A prime Busquets would immediately transform this United side too.
Considerably better IMO.Good debate this!
Better than Carrick? What do people think?
It's not even close...Good debate this!
Better than Carrick? What do people think?
You think? I think that Carrick in that Barca team would have been otherworldly. But we will never find out so who knows.It's not even close...
Carrick was excellent but never world class like Busquets or Alonso who were a tier above IMO.You think? I think that Carrick in that Barca team would have been otherworldly. But we will never find out so who knows.
Scholes above Zidane? Clearly you are being biased.This is my thinking.. until I have to pick other 2 player. Surely it’s Xavi, Scholes. Then Zidane..?
I don't agree I think he suffers a lot have been playing at Utd and England. Think he would have killed it in Spain and with Spain.Carrick was excellent but never world class like Busquets or Alonso who were a tier above IMO.
Better. I think Xabi Alonso is a more interesting debate — Carrick's true peak (when he was undoubtedly world-class and not just very good) was a tad short, I'd say a couple of seasons maximum.Good debate this!
Better than Carrick? What do people think?
I think he was around 2012/13, maybe for a season or two, but those two were on top for much longer.Carrick was excellent but never world class like Busquets or Alonso who were a tier above IMO.
World class and probably one of those players that will be under rated as time goes on.How do you rate this guy whom is largely forgotten by the new crowd whom appropriate tenacity and higher octane football?
Does this guy make to the same pedestal as Iniesta and Xavi?
In my opinion he’s got to be one of the best midfielders to ever play the game. There is absolutely no way one can swerve their way into 3 CL’s and 3 major tournaments for your country.
If you watched United when Carrick was at his best, which was not a heavy possession side (of course, far superior team to the current United side) you'd understand how much a player of that quality improves everyone around them. In my view, Busquets is similar to Carrick, but better.No he would not do that. He lacks the creativity do transform a team. What he did was mostly creating a safety net for his teammates - give him the ball, and your team will not lose it. But he is not the one who can really take it forward much. He is great for a possession-focused style of play, but he never made the difference between useless possession and useful possession. In a way I think one could say, he would have transformed this United side into the van Gaal United side, having a lot of possession and no idea how to use it.
I won't deny that he was absolutely world class at doing this job, but Barcas domination was based on their great attacking players - he made their lives easier which helped Xavi, Iniesta or Messi a lot, but he alone could not have decided games in the same way those players did.
Agree with this. Busquets was overall a tier above, but Carrick was of course brilliant in his own right and they are/were the same archetype of player. Carrick might have been the better option against physical sides with pace as I felt he was a bit more secure defensively (and indeed tested in a more physical league), but for me Busquets offered quite a bit more on the ball and for Barcelona he's clearly the better option. Personally I'd struggle to think of many sides that prime Busquets wouldn't improve, but I also think it's a definite complement to Carrick that they're comparable in terms of their impact.If you watched United when Carrick was at his best, which was not a heavy possession side (of course, far superior team to the current United side) you'd understand how much a player of that quality improves everyone around them. In my view, Busquets is similar to Carrick, but better.
Why would Pep have any special insight into Carrick?I thought he was very good but I thought carrick was better and ultimately I think pep thinks this too.
Oh my God. You must be an Englishman.I thought he was very good but I thought carrick was better and ultimately I think pep thinks this too.
I didnt watch Barcelona all that often in la liga, so maybe thats why Xavi is rated higher than Iniesta, but i often found Iniesta equally, if not more impressive than Xavi in the champions league, or for the national team.Heh, I never knew people thought / it was quite universally accepted that Xavi was considered the best midfielder of all-time and a tier above Iniesta. I always considered it to be the other way around.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....he-best-holding-midfielders-20190728.amp.htmlWhy would Pep have any special insight into Carrick?
Pep said over the last year that Phil Foden is the best young player he ever seen. Foden has incredible potential but he worked with a young Messi so take what managers say with a pinch of salt. Pep wouldn’t of swapped Busquets for Carrickhttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....he-best-holding-midfielders-20190728.amp.html
Everyone laughing at carrick being at the same level or better than Busquest.
I guess you know more than pep also.
Yes busquets was very very good but people laughing at the suggestion that carrick is better than busquets is just stupidity.Pep said over the last year that Phil Foden is the best young player he ever seen. Foden has incredible potential but he worked with a young Messi so take what managers say with a pinch of salt. Pep wouldn’t of swapped Busquets for Carrick
Literally in that link he also praised Lingard. You think Pep is actually going to reveal what he genuinely thinks in a press conference? They're always pure hyperbole, and he was talking in the context of the England NT.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....he-best-holding-midfielders-20190728.amp.html
Everyone laughing at carrick being at the same level or better than Busquest.
I guess you know more than pep also.