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Solskjaer's contract

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I don't understand why there's such seeming urgency to extend him before the season is over...

Are we really worried another club will snatch him up or something??
 

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Comments on here are absolute cringe.

Genuinely.. what more do people expect from this team? Consider the injuries too. Give Solskjaer the backing to sign more players who'll pull us closer to city and there's no reason why he won't title challenge. He wasn't backed with any ready made first XI players this Summer and yet people still seem to expect us to win everything for some reason?
I think we were very lucky with injuries up until Pogba got injured. City have missed Aguero and De Bruyne for large parts, whilst Liverpool's injuries are well documented.
I dont expect us to win things, but what I do expect is to see the team play a better brand of football. This 6 at the back formation he has got us playing week in and week out, is tumescent shi* to watch.
 

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Think the summer will tell us a lot. He will need serious backing if they are keeping him. I honestly think he needs players who need very little coaching because they are that good. Which might be why he is hell bent on getting Haaland.
Yeah I reckon that's it in a nutshell
 

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So we've gone from 4th to possibly 2nd, the next sign of progress will be winning the league next season? What underlying numbers have improved?

The league has been too volatile the past two seasons to suggest anything is definite sustainable progress. From last season to current standings we've seen (Liverpool) 1st- 7th, (Sheff Utd) 9th-20th, (Wolves) 7th-13th and (West Ham) 16th-5th.
If not winning the league, then atleast becoming the 2nd best team. I dont think we're the 2nd best team irrespective of what the table says - I believe we've been the 3rd best, just like last season I believe Chelsea were better than us.

As far as underlyings are concerned, if we remove the first 3 games (when we clearly weren't fit) we've scored more, our xG and xGA has improved - a 6 goal swing (compared to gw4 to 29 last season). And all this despite the players having had no free mid-week
 

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Yeah I reckon that's it in a nutshell
Can't see it happening though. Can see a lot of bluster in the press that we are interested in great players and they just won't happen like last summer. He will then be fobbed off with second, even third choices. The likes of City and Chelsea will just spend what they want.
 

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Can't see it happening though. Can see a lot of bluster in the press that we are interested in great players and they just won't happen like last summer. He will then be fobbed off with second, even third choices. The likes of City and Chelsea will just spend what they want.
Ole and any manager knows this. VG said he thought we were buying this and that player and it was all bluster. It got the fans to renew their season tickets.
 

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Ole and any manager knows this. VG said he thought we were buying this and that player and it was all bluster. It got the fans to renew their season tickets.
Yep. Which is probably why they are putting the Ronaldo story out there. Ole wants to build a side to last, not bringing in golden oldies. :(
 

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So what happens at his next contract, do we increase his pay again? All feels a bit David de Gea with his last contract renewal.
To be fair, if he signs a new deal now, I would imagine that a further renewal will only be rewarded if he brings trophies. In that case, it'll be a deserved pay rise.
 

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I think we were very lucky with injuries up until Pogba got injured. City have missed Aguero and De Bruyne for large parts, whilst Liverpool's injuries are well documented.
I dont expect us to win things, but what I do expect is to see the team play a better brand of football. This 6 at the back formation he has got us playing week in and week out, is tumescent shi* to watch.
Would you trust the Maguire / Vic centre half pairing? He has to have protection in there for them.

And before you go saying play Bailly, lets get real here the lad is made of wet paper. Maguire has already played more PL matches than him in 2 years than Baillys 5 here. So he's realistically stuck with these 2 as his best CB pairing until we can invest in a more mobile, pacey centre half.

When Pogba was fit we've played much better, we've closed teams down more, created more and the defence wasn't under the same level of pressure.
 

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Would you trust the Maguire / Vic centre half pairing? He has to have protection in there for them.

And before you go saying play Bailly, lets get real here the lad is made of wet paper. Maguire has already played more PL matches than him in 2 years than Baillys 5 here. So he's realistically stuck with these 2 as his best CB pairing until we can invest in a more mobile, pacey centre half.

When Pogba was fit we've played much better, we've closed teams down more, created more and the defence wasn't under the same level of pressure.
Ole signed Maguire. If he has a weakness at the back then he should have addressed that last summer
 

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I largely agree with this. If Ole gets us 2nd and wins a trophy, then by all means, the board should reward him with a new contract. That would be progress, which is what we all want, ending in a PL title next season.

However, you mention our tough CL group, and while we were screwed over a bit, if we had won the EL last season, we’d have taken Sevilla’s place in the exact group Chelsea had with Rennes and Krasnodar (obviously Chelsea would be out too as you can’t have two English teams in the same group). That was a failing on Ole’s part, and this season’s competition, with Ajax and Arsenal instead of Inter and Sevilla still remaining, is not any easier.

It’s massive that we win the EL this season, not just to show clear progress from last season, but to get an easier CL group which we can top as well. We got a tough draw this year partly because we messed up against Sevilla last season, while Sevilla (and Chelsea) breezed through their group.
its Ole's failing that Martial missed a shit ton of chances which would have killed Sevilla off? The players aren't good enough and until they are we're gonna be destined to just be fighting for top 4 spots
 

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As long as people are happy with utter mediocrity, Ed and the board will take advantage of it.
 

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You can only beat who's infront of you, if we ever want to win the league, or challenge for it, we have to beat some of the 'big 6' something that we've done once in 9 games this season.

There also comes a time when luck of the draw doesn't matter as our squad should be good enough to win trophies, which it should be by now.

Being content with a top 4 finish and almost winning a trophy is what was found hilarious about Arsenal for years on here, we now found ourselves in that exact same position yet it's seen as progress.

Giving Ole a long contract on quite hefty wages, Woodward is effectively cornering us in with Ole, as he did with Jose and hoping he comes up trumps.
How have you come to this conclusion?
 

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The Glazers just want a low drama fat cash cow that they can sell lots of swag from. Top 4 is all that is important.
 

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Deal was probably agreed months ago. Just waiting for the right time to announce it. Think Ole has a lot of backers within the club
 

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If he gets top 4 (which is pretty much nailed on) then it's absolutely deserved but this club is just mental at deciding the timing of things sometimes. I remember the club saying it would conduct 'a very thorough search for the next United manager' after Jose and then giving it to Ole after 10 straight wins or whatever it was :lol: I'm not saying that was even the wrong decision but it's the just the contradiction there.
 

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He has brought stability and smile back to the players, unseen since the glory days. He is being rightly rewarded.
 

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The Glazers just want a low drama fat cash cow that they can sell lots of swag from. Top 4 is all that is important.
As it should be. Being stable in the top 4 is what the club needs in order to mount a title challenge. Something we haven't had post Sir Alex.
 

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Remember when Arsenal used to pull this line.
Oh so true.

Arsenal board: "No no no it is absolutely impossible for any club to mount a title challenge in this league nowadays without proving themselves with several years of consistent top four finishes beforehand. Finishing top four is as good as a title just wait and see."

Leicester: "Hello, what was that you were saying?"

Arsenal: "Sorry we can't hear you from down here in 10th."


Don't laugh, because that's our future as well.
 

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When was the last time United won a trophy? It was with the previous manager, and also the manager that preceded him. None of our managers after SAF have been a big success, but at least half of them could boast silverware to their time here - Ole as of yet is not among them.
So it is Europa Cup or bust for you?
 

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I see this argument, but it's not really tangible is it. That doesnt mean the argument is invalid ofcourse, but with Maguire (who captains club and country), Pogba who has led his team to WC victory, Bruno we have some leaders in the team. Then you have to a lesser extent De Gea/Henderson, McTominay, Rashford, Cavani as well. I don't know, maybe they don't have leadership qualities.

But when can we seperate between a lack of tactics which means United struggles to lay their will upon good opponents, or are tactically outclassed and our lack of leadership quality in the team.

Excuse my English, but City and United distanced themselves of the rest this season, United having a small lead. As soon as that happened, City just completely stretched away from us. Maybe it's not considered a title race because it was still quite early on in the season?
I don't consider this season a title challenge. But it is an improvement, in the league at least.
 

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Excuse my English, but City and United distanced themselves of the rest this season, United having a small lead. As soon as that happened, City just completely stretched away from us. Maybe it's not considered a title race because it was still quite early on in the season?
Didn't that only happen after City fake sick noted their way into an extra few days off because of a supposed COVID outbreak which didn't actually occur?
 

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There's no need for gnashing of teeth. If you really expected this club not to renew, you haven't been paying attention.
We are a reactionary club always behind the curve.
Anyway, it will be a long few years. As long as he makes top four, he's here to stay. This club is not more than that. Goalposts will be moved, excuses will always be made for not demanding/achieving more.
In any case, I am indifferent...more resigned to look for a better word.
 

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For those who are saying if we get top four (which we probably will, barring something catastrophic happening) then he absolutely deserves it, when will this no longer be enough? When will "well, he got top four so he deserves another chance" no longer cut it for you, as a fan. Not talking about the owners, etc.

Next season? Just interested when it's no longer good enough to merely finish in the top four.
 

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As it should be. Being stable in the top 4 is what the club needs in order to mount a title challenge. Something we haven't had post Sir Alex.
I dont think you need to be stable in the top 4. You can just drop out if it at some point, see Arsenal. What is more important is the progress in the games, that we haven't made at all for a year now.
 

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Ole signed Maguire. If he has a weakness at the back then he should have addressed that last summer
I don't think Maguire by himself is the issue, basically what Neville said.

Put a more mobile, pacey centre half in beside him and with AWB and Shaw either side with Henderson behind we've a very strong defensive set up for at least 4-5 years.