Always ironic when I see Man Utd fans state this when the club that we support is right up there with these "sugar daddies"
The most sickening CL semi-finalists ever?
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The last time I checked we had some of the worst owners in top football?
Also: our wealth is primarily built on our own success and merit. It's not our fault that we happened to be the best team in England during a period where football became such a lucrative business. Our success was simply perfectly timed. But the keyword here is "success". There's no way we would have grown this large if we didn't actually win stuff with our Class of 92 and a manager we gave 6 seasons(!) before he won us the league.
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And let's not even get started on human rights...
Sugar Daddy would imply very rich and spends lots of money - yes?
Regardless of whether or not you feel they are good or bad for the club they have still spent nigh on ONE BILLION pound on players (Roughly around £800M on players since Fergie left) regardless of how you spin it, money has been spent when it's been asked for. (Not counting the time Jose allegedly fell out with the Glazers & we didn't get Maguire)
Furthermore regardless of how the money was made we are still rich as f**k, our wealth, you could argue would also been increased since the Glazers took over, as a result of a substantial increased spend on marketing.
So yes I do stand by the fact that we are owned by rich sugar daddies. Your own opinion on whether or not they are good or bad for the club is irrelevant here, they still have TONS of cash.
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We're discussing different things. Perhaps "sugar daddies" was a poor choice of words from my part, but the idea was to lump the likes of City, PSG and Chelsea in a very different group than the likes of United, Bayern and Liverpool.
Money matters in football, just like it matters in most other parts of life. I'm not a fan of this but it's an inescapable fact for the time being. But there is a pretty big difference between being largely self-made and going from zero to hero overnight based solely on money suddenly getting pumped into a random club. I don't think sports should be that way.
There will always be powerhouses that inevitably draw in bigger talent and thus creates a cycle of remaining at the top and earning more and more money. But as long as those powerhouses are created from initial success, then at least there is an element of fairness involved. And it's not like powerhouses are guaranteed to remain that way forever or that new powerhouses can't be built from the ground up. But it takes time, obviously.
We're discussing different things. Perhaps "sugar daddies" was a poor choice of words from my part, but the idea was to lump the likes of City, PSG and Chelsea in a very different group than the likes of United, Bayern and Liverpool.
Money matters in football, just like it matters in most other parts of life. I'm not a fan of this but it's an inescapable fact for the time being. But there is a pretty big difference between being largely self-made and going from zero to hero overnight based solely on money suddenly getting pumped into a random club. I don't think sports should be that way.
There will always be powerhouses that inevitably draw in bigger talent and thus creates a cycle of remaining at the top and earning more and more money. But as long as those powerhouses are created from initial success, then at least there is an element of fairness involved. And it's not like powerhouses are guaranteed to remain that way forever or that new powerhouses can't be built from the ground up. But it takes time, obviously.
The Monaco v Chelsea semi-final was pretty fun, two entertaining games.
Everything involving Porto was a shitfest, sure, but that's Mourinho for you.
Fecking Morientes
You only believe that because you're a United fan.
I can tell you it's frustrating when smaller clubs do the right things with regards to talent and all, only to get their talent stripped away. What happened to Ajax after their CL run a few seasons ago was criminal. Nothing fair about that.
Frustrating at the time but in hindsight the chances that Ranieri would have outsmarted Mou in the final were next to none.Fecking Morientes
07 and 09 were the real tough one's to take as i feel we'd have won those finals.
Personally I'm going to root for PSG. Real has won it more than enough times and PSG are not our rivals of any kind.
Don't care who wins it as long as its not City
fixed that for you
Do you even know the source of Glazer wealth? Clue, it aint property.Oil money, oil money, oil money, and Franco.
'mon Franco
Imagine the USA buying a club in the premier league and casually investing 10 billion or so to buy whomever they want but, more importantly, should there ever be legal trouble that club would have the full might of a super power to fight it's legal battles against other private clubs and leagues.
Private clubs being owned by states is obscene to the core and it makes a mockery of privately owned sporting competitions.
Private clubs being owned by states is obscene to the core and it makes a mockery of privately owned sporting competitions.
Never a truer word.
I'm sorry but the thought of Sean Dyche bringing old big ears to Reading festival means it's a yes from meSo if Hitler's secret grandson emerged out of nowhere and bought Burnley with Nazi gold, changed the crest to a swastika and made them competitive to the point where they suddenly can win the CL, you'd be fine with it as long as it stops a team from "the old cartel" from winning the CL?
This thread is hilarious. An entire thread for absolute whinning. OMG these teams have owners that want to win and are willing to spend as much money as Man Utd. Will the madness ever end? Quick make some more slurs, that will show them!!
Amazing number of people who don't care what City do, yet post about how they want them to lose.
What makes me laugh is when non United fans come in here whining about the whining.
Just accept that football people in general will always have a distain for clubs who operate like city, Chelsea and PSG do. Just accept it, embrace it and move on.
They can have their morals, you can have the trophies.
Why supporters of these clubs feel the need to come into a United forum to justify it, whinge about the whinging or make strawmans about United in the 90’s is a mystery to me. Just fecking own it.
Wrong forum mate
We own the winning mate. Enjoy the whinning.
I vaguely recall Desailly celebrating/clapping after Monaco had a man sent off
To be honest mate it’s nice seeing them lose for the banter. But in terms of rivalry I would happily have city win the premier league for the next 10 years than Liverpool. I believe most Utd fans would feel the same.
PSG are the hyper-normalisation team. A nation state using PSG to sports-wash their image in the West whilst simultaneously funding terrorist organisations that slaughter people on the streets of Paris.
... but since it's in the spirit of taking down clubs like United and Bayern, all sins are of course washed away! There is noooo difference between United and PSG!
Bless you, coming on here trying to drum up a rivarly. Tell us you’re a ‘massive’ club next that’s one of my favourites.
Could we not do that type of things?
What type of thing?
Make that kind of accusations to justify a football opinion?
Right I get it.
There's no 'proof', it's like
I had already lost interest in football the moment Covid forced fans out of stadiums. Football became weird and hollow that moment. I have watched 1 game of football this season and not even the full 90 minutes.
Yes, there is no proof that the government finance terrorism. There is proof that private people have done it and your quote names one, a cousin of a minister. It's not that complicated your own source tells you that there is no proof, if you don't believe them that's a weird way of using a source.Right I get it.
There's no 'proof', it's like
It's sad but it's what football has become now
The only European heavyweight left is Real. Bizarre for the European Cup but it is where we are. Money talks.
The only European heavyweight left is Real. Bizarre for the European Cup but it is where we are. Money talks.
It's not new or what football has become now, that's what football has traditionally been, full of sugar daddies. The new trend is to act as if it was a new thing.
I don't think it's always been like this. Interested to see why?
I just love the naive take on City/Chelsea/PSG's owners as 'acting for the good of the club'.
Yes sweet children, the owners are in it for the football. Course they are.
The Glazers are in it for that too of course. And Mike Ashley. Definitely.
Yes sweet children, the owners are in it for the football. Course they are.
The Glazers are in it for that too of course. And Mike Ashley. Definitely.
There’s only going to be 3/4 teams that are able to compete for the Champions League now, the Europa League is where its at we all know this.
What is the point of this thread really, do you need really need to moan about other teams too. We should have been there this year, most of the big teams are out of form and yet we failed to take the advantage, could only blame ourselves. I personally stop caring for a competition once we are not in it.
The new bits are twofold:
1. There were rules agreed to by the clubs involved in various competitions, which were broken, without consequence. Now you can argue that you don't agree with the rules, but as with general societal laws, that doesn't mean you should be able to pay your way out of breaking them.
2. Sugar daddies used to be rich folks who liked football so put their own money up. See Milan, Madrid. Now it's nation states trying to sweep countless deaths under a pretty CL shaped-rug.
If you don't see the difference, congrats, you're a supporter of one of those clubs, and I hope you're comfy on that nice CL rug. Don't worry about the lumps you feel underneath.