The cheek on owners who cannot even manage their clubs properly, leading them to mountains of debt (except Arsenal), thinking they can set up a competition to rival the Champions League 
European Super League
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Yes. It is totally controlling. I have never watched American sport because it I always thought it had a cynical feel about it. I cannot support such a monopolistic jobby-coven of greedy tossers.
Spurs do stick out like a sore thumb tbh. However they are the exception of the case here. There's a huge difference between Burnley and an underperforming United ie we've got an enormous fan base. Thousands of people watch us irrespective on whether we play great football or not. So even in this dire situation we'll still be carrying our weight and bringing our fair share of food to the table for everyone to share.
I disagree with your diagnosis as well. Take Aston Villa as an example. According to transfermarkt they had a net spend of 95m euros last season. That's more then what Manchester United, Bayern, Juventus, Real and Barcelona had spent. The problem with the EPL isn't the gap between the elite clubs and the smaller clubs. Its actually viceversa. These clubs are so hooked to the money generated by the top clubs that they'll do anything not to get relegated. That means that week in week out most of these teams wouldn't mind play catenaccio style against the top sides just for that 1 point. Which in turn makes the EPL boring.
We had gone on the other end. The smaller sides are too dependent on the money generated by the big guns to care about stuff like entertaining football which in turn makes the EPL attractive and popular. Which makes you wonder why should the likes of United give a feck about Aston Villa in the first place. The situation is even worse in the Serie A were top teams are often forced to sell players just to keep the darn thing afloat.
Greed is indeed a problem but it works both ways here.
Just have a 25 team European Super League which has relegation into various domestic leagues. At the end of each season, there can be some Superbowl type playoffs for the top 16.
The founder clubs can remain as investors for the foreseeable future. They can take a slice of the profits (thereby removing UEFA from the equation), but won't be guaranteed a spot in the league. So after Spurs inevitably get relegated, they can keep gaining revenue from competition to have a better chance of getting back in. Maybe after 5 consecutive years of no qualification, a 'founder' club can be removed and a new member voted in.
It'd be like a tweaked version of Premier League model with parachute payments, and sharing of TV revenue.
The founder clubs can remain as investors for the foreseeable future. They can take a slice of the profits (thereby removing UEFA from the equation), but won't be guaranteed a spot in the league. So after Spurs inevitably get relegated, they can keep gaining revenue from competition to have a better chance of getting back in. Maybe after 5 consecutive years of no qualification, a 'founder' club can be removed and a new member voted in.
It'd be like a tweaked version of Premier League model with parachute payments, and sharing of TV revenue.
I think that's because Dortmund don't want to though?
Because they need champions league football money, is part of their financial model, including being written into sponsorship deals.
Now they get the money regardless.
You mean the owners will suck all the money out, it won't benefit the fans and if no relegation, why spend money on the team.
More like 5% were against, there was a lot of people salivating at being state rich.
Yeah, not sure how serious those rumours were.
But the fallout for these leagues will be huge too. They’re fighting for European places that will be devalued. Those leagues aren’t in great financial shapes. I can see them trying to do some ESL 2 type of thing.
European football is in huge trouble. The gap between the haves and have nots has increased over the years but now, teams from say Czech Republic who get a got pot of money to just get to the group stages, what the feck do they do now?
Instead of players simply walking on the pitch, this is how teams will be introduced.
Good grief.....Jet was hot!
Good grief.....Jet was hot!
shitting in the woods. shitting in a pit. shitting in a pot. shitting in an outhouse. shitting in a flushing toilet. progress.
as a wise man once said “things never change by staying the same.” change requires willing. change requires commitment. change can be cruel. change causes anger and resentment. change creates winners and losers. like it or not, time’s relentless scythe hacks at us all. the quest to stay relevant has been the driving force of nature since the dawn of time. the time of reckoning is nigh.
teams like sunderland had their chance to be relevant. they had their chance to not be shit. they wasted it buying the likes of jack rodwell and didier ndong. they wasted it being managed by the likes of steve bruce. not a game against sunderland goes by without hoards of united fans wishing relegation on them. their fans daring to mock us for city nicking the title at the death. they must be published for the insolence shown against their superiors. the cruel and angry red god demands satisfaction. now there is a real possibility of sunderland not only being relegated but wiped from the face of the earth and all of a sudden those same voices label them an institution worth saving and cherishing. all of a sudden an away trip to the south coast is worth a thousand trips to turin.
is the premier league worth as much as it is because droves of people are flocking to watch burnley play sheffield united? why should the likes of them get a slice of the pie? due to the pandemic, joel glazer had to choose between a black and a very dark blue maybach, in previous years he would have just got both. why should he suffer just so some burnley fat cat can muscle in on the action?
a super league is what it has always been about. every game in history was destined for this moment. every year we play pretty much the same teams in the hope we finish near the head of the pack so we get to play more of the same teams the next year. in every league, in every competition, it is the same. all of the football, all of the time. what has been devised is nothing short of a time machine. it basically buys you a year every year. no need to fight the next year to qualify for the year after. you’re already there. perez and glazer have in all intents and purposes doubled your life expectancy and all they receive in return is your vitriol? your heads need a wobble. i might even go and watch a few local teams in the extra years i’ve now been granted on this earth. something i would never have considered before. this doesn’t kill the game, it breathes new life in to it. all hail the super league. huzzah.
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as a wise man once said “things never change by staying the same.” change requires willing. change requires commitment. change can be cruel. change causes anger and resentment. change creates winners and losers. like it or not, time’s relentless scythe hacks at us all. the quest to stay relevant has been the driving force of nature since the dawn of time. the time of reckoning is nigh.
teams like sunderland had their chance to be relevant. they had their chance to not be shit. they wasted it buying the likes of jack rodwell and didier ndong. they wasted it being managed by the likes of steve bruce. not a game against sunderland goes by without hoards of united fans wishing relegation on them. their fans daring to mock us for city nicking the title at the death. they must be published for the insolence shown against their superiors. the cruel and angry red god demands satisfaction. now there is a real possibility of sunderland not only being relegated but wiped from the face of the earth and all of a sudden those same voices label them an institution worth saving and cherishing. all of a sudden an away trip to the south coast is worth a thousand trips to turin.
is the premier league worth as much as it is because droves of people are flocking to watch burnley play sheffield united? why should the likes of them get a slice of the pie? due to the pandemic, joel glazer had to choose between a black and a very dark blue maybach, in previous years he would have just got both. why should he suffer just so some burnley fat cat can muscle in on the action?
a super league is what it has always been about. every game in history was destined for this moment. every year we play pretty much the same teams in the hope we finish near the head of the pack so we get to play more of the same teams the next year. in every league, in every competition, it is the same. all of the football, all of the time. what has been devised is nothing short of a time machine. it basically buys you a year every year. no need to fight the next year to qualify for the year after. you’re already there. perez and glazer have in all intents and purposes doubled your life expectancy and all they receive in return is your vitriol? your heads need a wobble. i might even go and watch a few local teams in the extra years i’ve now been granted on this earth. something i would never have considered before. this doesn’t kill the game, it breathes new life in to it. all hail the super league. huzzah.
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What's the point of playing in a CL that doesn't include these 15 clubs and will obviously pay far less because it isn't prestigious anymore. In fact, now these Super League clubs will make so much more money that Everton can forget ever closing the financial gap with let's say Spurs or Arsenal. How is it different from Everton battling it out with Napoli and Roma in the Europa League?
You are missing the point of merit and competitiveness. These 15 clubs should not get to dictate that they are exclusive and automatically qualify for a Super League.
Spent who's money. Certainly not their own, but from the club turnover and profit.
They didn't even spend their own money to buy the club.
No they haven't?
Anyone up for supporting a new Manchester City United club?
Rather that than this utter abomination of an idea.
F**k you City, I'm ashamed of the club I've loved for nigh on 50 years.
Rather that than this utter abomination of an idea.
F**k you City, I'm ashamed of the club I've loved for nigh on 50 years.
For people that are wondering about competitiveness, they should keep in mind that this league is created for revenue and the owners need to have a sexy and entertaining product on the field week in week out. So like the NFL, they will make sure to keep us hooked by artificially creating competition one of the ways is for example to have a salary cap and floor, there is also the system of free agency and even an entry draft.
The new league represents an American takeover of elite European football, which will become a closed shop run by its founder members.
One source described it as ‘a US-led operation’, adding: ‘This is down mostly to the Americans at Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal who have believed for a long time that they should be making a lot more money.'
One source described it as ‘a US-led operation’, adding: ‘This is down mostly to the Americans at Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal who have believed for a long time that they should be making a lot more money.'
Will the owners care?
Same answer as for how much they care about fan opinion of the super league.
These clubs are at the top of the food chain not bottom.
They groom a lot less world class players than they buy young from smaller clubs.
They've spent money on the team as there were financial consequences to the team struggling and missing out on CL places. Though not so much as to prevent them taking out plenty.
Under a SL they would have successfully removed the financial impact of under-investment in the team or sporting failure. So why would they invest money in the team? Whether United are winning the SL or are a b-franchise who don't compete with the rest makes no difference to them.
Will they care, the fans will care, but if no relegation why will they bother.
Because there is no threat of relegation here, or no consequences not to do well. They will be guranteed an x amount of income each season. You think the Glazers will care if we finish at the bottom of this.
It's weird football isn't it? It's the only industry where an owner is expected to buy a club and then completely empty their pockets every summer and get absolutely nothing out of it.
When Chelsea qualified for what was the first version of the European Cup in 1955 the FA bullied them not to take part. Utd 12 months later were the first English club to participate.
I truly believe that there a lot of hypocrites re this matter.
Sky are stoking the flames yet it was them that bought about the PL. It was them that split darts and yet here they are protecting the status quo.Perhaps they are concerned about not getting the TV deal !
The reality is that the 6 English club that have been named are very unlikely to be relegated from the PL and save the odd betting scandal nor are any of the other 9 clubs from their leagues. Are supporters fed up with say Utd playing Chelsea everyseason. Of course they aren’t
If this was what was being proposed as a new version of the CL then probably there wouldn’t be anywhere near the negativity .
As for supporters not attending, yep they will be it the long standing supporters or more likely mid week football tourists.
Harsh to say but at most clubs already fill a significant number of the seats at their midweek games.
Lets get this in perspective this is not replacing the PL but is a midweek tournament.Yes it’s a tournament that will mean more games but the supposed UEFA changes would mean more games.
Will it go ahead ?
One way or another the big clubs will get a bigger share of UEFAs cake be it from a breakaway tournament or a more lucrative deal from UEFA
I truly believe that there a lot of hypocrites re this matter.
Sky are stoking the flames yet it was them that bought about the PL. It was them that split darts and yet here they are protecting the status quo.Perhaps they are concerned about not getting the TV deal !
The reality is that the 6 English club that have been named are very unlikely to be relegated from the PL and save the odd betting scandal nor are any of the other 9 clubs from their leagues. Are supporters fed up with say Utd playing Chelsea everyseason. Of course they aren’t
If this was what was being proposed as a new version of the CL then probably there wouldn’t be anywhere near the negativity .
As for supporters not attending, yep they will be it the long standing supporters or more likely mid week football tourists.
Harsh to say but at most clubs already fill a significant number of the seats at their midweek games.
Lets get this in perspective this is not replacing the PL but is a midweek tournament.Yes it’s a tournament that will mean more games but the supposed UEFA changes would mean more games.
Will it go ahead ?
One way or another the big clubs will get a bigger share of UEFAs cake be it from a breakaway tournament or a more lucrative deal from UEFA
Not really. Sure some fans that just don't care, but the fans that frequent this forum that has any notion of tradition are very vocally against this.
No one wants the saudi royal family to have a ownership interest in this club.
TV companies will not pay the money they do now is those clubs are not in it. Sky will try to lower the cost of their package as will BT. It will be disastrous for those clubs who rely on that money.
the MUFC board is the only club in the Premier League that take share dividends.
Manchester United is the only club in the Premier League that is this badly riddled in debt.
Why are you defending this?
Of course they do! You know what's better than finish last in a SL? Finishing 1st. You know why? Mega coin, that's why. Imagine the sponsors? We'd have a club shop on Mars.
There's always more money to be made so don't think for a second they believe this is only reason they
Among all that has already been said, it has to be noted than the United hierarchy are absolute p*ssi*s. All the other clubs have tweeted their official statements, and United haven’t. They know exactly how this will be received by the fans, and so meekly hid it into the website rather than tweet about it.
If you’re so proud of this move you’ve been working towards for however long, then why be scared to broadcast it?
If you’re so proud of this move you’ve been working towards for however long, then why be scared to broadcast it?
If you are supporting this just feck off. You are like a lamb being led to the slaughter. Absolute morons.
That is probably what will happen, but in the process have shot the clubs reputation to pieces.
No, they haven't. Actually, they haven't spent anything. They've taken more money out of the club than they've put into it.
Or when they do get pelters from every other clubs supporters
Americans don't have relegation... it's true it's not as exciting as the European leagues for the bad teams... but no one wants to be in last place... people will stop going to games.
The Glazers spend somewhere in the middle for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers... and they just won the Super Bowl so it's not like they are pathetic owners.
I have doubts about this happening frankly. It feels to me like the clubs have done this as a kick up the ass to Uefa to make the champions league more interesting. As others have said it gets boring watching Man City play Shakter Donetsk 100 times. It wouldn't surprise me if Uefa compromised in some way to stop this from happening in order to keep everything under them. Then the clubs get their wish. (Whatever that wish is I'm not even sure anymore)
I wont argue that, I think anybody who mentions fans at this point is taking the piss with the rise of season tickets, cost of watching on TV, and the different services we all have to sign up to.
Uefa thinking about a new European competition and revamps to make more money, and now they are surprised this is happening.
Whatever happens, fans will lose out and none of them will care, except the losers will pretend they care.
I'm not, our model is what it is. If the board agree they should be paid dividends then it is what it is. I don't personally believe that's how a football club should be run but I'm also not stupid enough to think a billionaire should buy the club and just continue to pump money into it at their expense.
I don't really see how an entry draft could work for European football. There's not anything like the same kind of college sports network.
And what players, rather than becoming multi-millionaires as teenagers are going to want to have their current path replaced with one where they don't get to even choose their club?
@crossy1686 multiple posters have argued against you that the merit has been removed because these 15 clubs automatically qualify anyway. What's your response?