Classical Mechanic
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UEFA acting like hysterical babies, what can go wrong?
If those teams are banned, they will simply play ESL during weekend prime-time.It could be even more cynical than that. It's a good idea for German and French clubs to wait and see how Serie A, La Liga and the PL deal with their clubs, if they ban them from domestic competitions then there is a chance for wealty club owners to get significantly more money from TVs because the ESL is supposed to be a midweek competition, that means that weekends primetime slots could yield big money. If you are Al Khelaifi, you get Ratcliffe, Pinault, Seydoux and Rybolovlev on the phone and try to find out if they are willing to develop a product for weekends.
They obviously did. They just don’t give a feck about fans’ opinions.I wonder if the clubs in question anticipated level of response from fans. It’s almost unanimously negative.
Its more likely the absence of Sir Bobby that has enabled the glazers to do this.Hard to imagine this going down if SAF would have still been at the club, and I am not taking anything away from Ole at all. Just everyone respects SAF the real godfather
I'm the same, in a very sadistic way, I want to see the off field drama last for a long time. Spite is very entertaining at the moment.Gotta say, I'm loving all the meltdown. I'm ready to give it all up, I just want shit to burn down
As if they haven't been involvedThe ban from international football is a clear material change to contracts.
I suspect the likes of Raiola already have their legal teams on it.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.WOW just WOW. Back then the European Cup was a new exciting competition comparable to the Super League concept and United were I believe without checking England's first representatives
He should calm the rhetoric, he literally has the weight of public opinion on his side, but calling for clubs and players to be banned is going to sway the fence sitters against him. he should just say he's disappointed and they will review the matter internally.UEFA President: United weren't a big club until Alex Ferguson
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People want to bow down to the governing body of a competition which the president thinks we were a tinpot club before SAF even though we had won a European Cup 18 years before SAF?
Well, if that's not what your post says, then what the feck is the point about going on about UEFA and FIFA? It's not they who have just announced the ESL. Also, if you haven't noticed anyone complaining about money ruining the game before now, which particularly large and dense sand dune have you spent the last two decades buried under?I didn't realise my post said that. The point is why have people not taken a stance on money ruining the game before now? Small clubs have been getting hit financially for years while money at the top has been out of control for years. People didn't really give a shit about that before, but now they apparently do?
Speak for yourself. Most of us don't want this at all.I want super league. Let's move on from those pointless 3 AM game against Spartak Moscow...
The essence of Champions league is always watching the elite club vs elite club anyway, this is what we want.
Or get more teams involved and expand to have a bigger league and knockout system.If those teams are banned, they will simply play ESL during weekend prime-time.
We don't know that which is why waiting is a good idea.If those teams are banned, they will simply play ESL during weekend prime-time.
It might be what you want, but its very clear from the reaction here that it's not what we want.I want super league. Let's move on from those pointless 3 AM game against Spartak Moscow...
The essence of Champions league is always watching the elite club vs elite club anyway, this is what we want.
He's going all in.He should calm the rhetoric, he literally has the weight of public opinion on his side, but calling for clubs and players to be banned is going to sway the fence sitters against him. he should just say he's disappointed and they will review the matter internally.
Who wants to bow down to them?UEFA President: United weren't a big club until Alex Ferguson
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People want to bow down to the governing body of a competition which the president thinks we were a tinpot club before SAF even though we had won a European Cup 18 years before SAF?
UEFA bent backward for their cash cows (former now?) because they're themselves corrupted, and money grabbing. Doesn't mean they lose their power to the players where their national FAs affiliated to UEFA. In other terms, UEFA has the agreement of the nations. A few rich clubs with the finance of global financial entities can make ESL, doesn't mean UEFA is a vulnerable homeless, that they're shite scared having to shut their own propaganda.The UEFA isn't a big boy, i kind of hope that you realize it, they have been blakmailed and caved at every turn for more than 30 years by the clubs that have now left. The UEFA is nothing economically without the popularity of the CL which has been destroyed by the ESL and in general they are nothing compared to JP Morgan or the other actors in the ESL.
He was speaking for himself .Speak for yourself. Most of us don't want this at all.
Yeah lets completely feck over all the other teams apart from these 12. Who gives a shit. Football doesn't exist outside those 12.Everyone mentioning that it's greed behind this idea but there is also a greed behind backlash. Greed from corupt UEFA and from clubs who are not involved in this new super leahue cuz they will lose income which is generated by playing against those clubs. I quite like the idea to be fair. Multiple big games through the season doesn't sound so bad.
Gotta be bs that. There’s no way people running Juventus would be dishonest.Tweet
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There's no turning back from this. These clubs have crossed the line. It will be near impossible to fix the relationship with UEFA if everything is canceled.
Either this competition goes through or the board of all the 12 clubs will have to leave.
Correct. There’s no turning back.I don’t think there’s a way back. To get to this point of the announcement and breaking away there would have to have been foundations built for years. Contracts signed etc.
There’s no way they go back because of PR because I have no doubt they fully anticipated it.
18 years is a long time though. Without SAF we probably wouldn't be a top club like we are now.UEFA President: United weren't a big club until Alex Ferguson
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People want to bow down to the governing body of a competition which the president thinks we were a tinpot club before SAF even though we had won a European Cup 18 years before SAF?
At the moment they aren't talking about abandoning the domestic competitions. They're only talking about abandoning the CL and EL at this stageThe European Cup didn't gut Division 1 of its biggest six teams and effectively have them abandoning it. It isn't comparable.
Very fair pointOne thing this thread does highlight is that so many people care more about football than Politics. This should be the level of outrage that is pointed towards the government and society with regards to wealth inequality.
Maybe it will be tied up for years, but players will be banned in time for the Euros and they'll have to wait for all the legal stuff to move through before they can play for their country in Euros/WC again. That might be a long time.I beg to differ, I think he will be having his accountants on speed dial working out how much of the £400m payout he can get for his clients and how to hide it from the taxman. Players may not have been contacted but I will bet my last dollar that the likes of Raiola and Mendes were kept in the loop.
Talk of banning players from international football is just posturing and it will be tied up in litigation for years. It's up to the governments to step in and dial back this corporatization of the poor man's sport by the elite.
same, the drama is incredible. Mind you to me football died awhile back when billionaires started to buy clubs. Probably why part of me don't even care. It's become money money moneyGotta say, I'm loving all the meltdown. I'm ready to give it all up, I just want shit to burn down
I would say for certain that is the end goalMy belief is that this is a transitional step into a completely closed Super League without participatory guests and a permanent secession from all domestic competitions. This is just the "let them get used to the idea" phase.
I was talking about the owners, you seemingly didn't get what the post was about. The post I responded to said that Ceferin should target the owners which is a bad idea because these owners aren't smally fry, they have weight outside of football, they are part of the actual oligarchy. When you are a businessman it's not a good idea to target everyone without thinking of the consequences, he is elected at the UEFA, he isn't going to be there foreve and the UEFA won't help him outside of football.UEFA bent backward for their cash cows (former now?) because they're themselves corrupted, and money grabbing. Doesn't mean they lose their power to the players where their national FAs affiliated to UEFA. In other terms, UEFA has the agreement of the nations. A few rich clubs with the finance of global financial entities can make ESL, doesn't mean UEFA is a vulnerable homeless, that they're shite scared having to shut their own propaganda.
The point being, they may lose, but they are big enough that they can't shut up.
Disagree, unleash the fury on these money grabbing selfish tw@ts. Get as many threats out there as possible, pressure the players, the clubs, the fans, because these 12 clubs have already initiated legal proceeding this morning.He should calm the rhetoric, he literally has the weight of public opinion on his side, but calling for clubs and players to be banned is going to sway the fence sitters against him. he should just say he's disappointed and they will review the matter internally.
Yeah it would be interesting to see how many people knew exactly about the timing of the announcement and made money off of it. Would be ironic even if FIFA or UEFA would launch an investigation into but then that would also mean that their members didn't profit of it either at the highest levels and that of course seems improbable given their own track record."Yes, football got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders."
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I think we've clearly seen that just one ESL club in City could afford a legal team that dwarfs Uefa's and makes them look like bumbling idiots. Imagine what the 12 combined can do. Uefa aren't nearly as rich as half the clubs in the breakaway.It does not matter who you think is a "big boy". This will come down to the law and UEFA/FIFA etc will use all lawful methods to stop this. That means, if lawful, they can cut out the clubs from all other competitions etc.
I do believe UEFA have enough money for some decent lawyers, don't you?
There is no problem with the idea of a super tournament between the best clubs. The problem is that there no relegation for Founder clubs.I want super league. Let's move on from those pointless 3 AM game against Spartak Moscow...
The essence of Champions league is always watching the elite club vs elite club anyway, this is what we want.
It seems that they anticipated and don't care the slightest so far. The response will need to be extremely strong for them to reconsider.I wonder if the clubs in question anticipated level of response from fans. It’s almost unanimously negative.