European Super League

[Redplane]

I'd be interested to see what Americans think of this.

I watch a lot of American sports so the concept of no promotion/relegation isn't really that alien to me and I love watching stuff like NFL, NHL and NBA. The constant repeat fixtures isn't really something that bothers me because I'm used to it from watching the various American leagues/sports.

Absolutely loath the idea as mentioned in some of my prior posts.

Same feckers who often complain about participation trophies are the same ones who would argue our franchise leagues is better than the European leagues - while IMHO it equates to exactly that - giving out participation trophies. There are ballparks and arenas that are virtually empty when teams do shit because there is zero true commitment to the teams when they re not winning.

And when the owner gets tired of a market they just threaten to pack their bags and get nicely tax payer funded new facilities etc to either keep them or draw them to another location.

 

[Offside]

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Huge. Liverpool will bottle it now and the rest will follow.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Players and managers are just employees. Publicly and aggressively condemning your employer is something you do if you’re willing to walk away. Stop expecting players and managers to come out any say anything more than generic statements.

 

[izec]

People expecting the players and managers to take a stand as if they’re the paragons of justice and fairness. A sport in which they are paid astronomical sums to earn moves which pay them even more. Their whole lives revolve around money - does anyone seriously think they’re going to act against their own interests?

It’s the football fans that are going to lose out. The clubs, managers and players that get to be a part of this elitist secret club are going to be absolutely loving it.

Not all will enjoy it, most after everything settles. Plus local fans will lose out, but foreign fans will win once the games go abroad and this thing is expanding to make more money.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Klopp didn’t seem that bothered tbh

The prospect 4x ing his wages looked to really be causing some cognitive dissonance there.

 

[Andi Latte]

I'd be interested to see what Americans think of this.

I watch a lot of American sports so the concept of no promotion/relegation isn't really that alien to me and I love watching stuff like NFL, NHL and NBA. The constant repeat fixtures isn't really something that bothers me because I'm used to it from watching the various American leagues/sports.

I would guess Americans love it. They're the target audience after all, along with the Chinese, Indians et al who couldn't care less about domestic leagues and just want to see big names extravaganza every week.

I also like American sports, I watch NFL and NBA semiregularly. But I don't love them quite like football and some of it has to do with the way the competitions are organised. Closed competitions always seem so volatile to me, there's no real continuity.

Also all levels of sports in the US are based on and support their prevailing franchise system, whereas here in europe, they absolutely are not. NFL is the only real professional league there, here there are hundreds.

It would be the same if the NFL decided to adopt a European league format from next season onward, while College and below would go on as before. It would cause the same uproar.

 

[rimaldo]

still not quite on board with all the outrage. anyone still watching football at this point has been taking it in the mouth since the early 90s. each decision purposely there to push the line a bit further, to find the breaking point. ever increasing ticket prices, every increasing cost of kits and tv subscriptions. “anti-competition” laws to increase costs and funnel money into big wigs pockets. billionaire owners allowed to purchase clubs willy nilly. forced club memberships to give you the chance of getting a match ticket. ticket schemes that force you to buy tickets to matches you can’t attend. all the while wheels being greased, backs being scratched with greedy owners and execs skimming all the money off the top they can. i’m not sure at this stage you can take the dick out of your mouth and claim you don’t like this taste all of a sudden.

 

[JPRouve]

They wish . Next few days i expect 100 tweets like this. From non invited clubs....

Why would they wish, they are a big spanish club and have been more important on the continental stage than Tottenham, Arsenal or City.

 

[Dec9003]

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Good on them, hopefully these protests do make some kind of difference.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Would be surprised if they can legally do this, but we'll find out soon enough.

Does anyone know what are the legal roadblocks from throwing us out?

 

[RonaldoVII]

I want my face removing from the 40000 faces on banners in Old Trafford. Immediately.

 

[kafta]

This earn it narrative is funny when PSG, City and Chelsea are in the semis of the CL.

The only thing i hate about this is the automatic qualification, i would rather united dont participate when we dont deserve to. But i personally think that this wont stand in the long term. This super league will eventually mimic the champions league as they would want to include the portugese, turkish, greek teams for their markets etc. I actually hope they review it to make it a qualification process similar to the CL now, to see how UEFA will spin it then.

UEFA have run players into the ground, to milk them for money. Merchandise and tickets are at ridiculous prices. The only reasons the media narrative is so brutally against this is that TV pundits work for stations that have paid fortunes for the rights, then charge us more to enjoy a game on TV.

Football hasn't been a poor man's game in decades.

 

[Paxi]

Oh no.. not the famous Spion Kop banners...

You're a weird one. You know, people are trying to do a good thing here and yet you're running your mouth off in this thread all day.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Apparently us, arsenal, city, Madrid and chelsea will get thrown out of this years CL and Europa league by Friday this week.

No way. Legally, i doubt that they can do it. They can but will pay penalties for that. To clubs and maybe to tv media and sponsors.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

NFL is the only real professional league there

Wut? I take it you mean for gridiron?

 

[BridgeBanter]

Because Manchester United don't belong in the EL, we should play CL football every year. End of. Real Madrid and Barcelona would never let that happen to them. We shouldn't pay for our management's incompetence.

What kind of elitist nonsense is this? United, nor any of the top clubs have any god-given right for CL places. I can't believe people think like this.

 

[Paxi]

Good on them, hopefully these protests do make some kind of difference.

We should do it too.

 

[cyberman]

You're a weird one. You know, people are trying to do a good thing here and yet you're running your mouth off in this thread all day.

Hes allowed to have an opinion.

 

[Frosty]

Does anyone know what are the legal roadblocks from throwing us out?

I think it would be an issue of interpreting the contract which exists between the breakaway six and the PL, and whether and how we have breached any terms which would or could lead to us being thrown out of the league.

 

[Hoof the ball]

When I read this, I don’t know whether to reply seriously or feel pity for low intelligence.

This typical extremism and attempts to boil things down to soundbites by agents like yourself gave us Brexit, Trumpism and enduring stupidity.

Learn to read with your mind, not just your heart

Well, that's rather pugnacious of you, wouldn't you say? Provocative and unhelpful ad-hominem does nothing for your latter points.

Perhaps state your point(s), minus the entirely unnecessary personal verbal jousting? I don't know, call me crazy but it pays to be kind.

 

[Trip721]

I'd be interested to see what Americans think of this.

I watch a lot of American sports so the concept of no promotion/relegation isn't really that alien to me and I love watching stuff like NFL, NHL and NBA. The constant repeat fixtures isn't really something that bothers me because I'm used to it from watching the various American leagues/sports.

Those Americans who enjoy European soccer, enjoy it because you get that Cinderella story every once in a while. It's similiar to the NCAA tournament, every now and then, there is that small school that goes on a run, beats a #2, #5 and makes it pretty far. While the CL will often times have the big teams winning, it's the unknown that a smaller club may make a run or may knock a big team out of the tournament.

 

[Dec9003]

We should do it too.

Definitely. They've been clever when to announce it with the lockdown going on, it makes it very difficult to organise a lawful protest.

 

[izec]

still not quite on board with all the outrage. anyone still watching football at this point has been taking it in the mouth since the early 90s. each decision purposely there to push the line a bit further, to find the breaking point. ever increasing ticket prices, every increasing cost of kits and tv subscriptions. “anti-competition” laws to increase costs and funnel money into big wigs pockets. billionaire owners allowed to purchase clubs willy nilly. forced club memberships to give you the chance of getting a match ticket. ticket schemes that force you to buy tickets to matches you can’t attend. all the while wheels being greased, backs being scratched with greedy owners and execs skimming all the money off the top they can. i’m not sure at this stage you can take the dick out of your mouth and claim you don’t like this taste all of a sudden.

I agree, just the next step of cock sucking, we have to swallow the cum now.

 

[Paxi]

Hes allowed to have an opinion.

And im allowed to call him out on it.

 

[Ace of Spades]

What the actual feck. Was watching a local TV show and the pundits completely ignored the fact that these clubs have removed merit out of the equation by automatic qualification.

I'm not kidding, they mentioned this aspect zero times. It was the usual UEFA bashing, criticism towards Neville and other ex-footballers.

The SL idea is terrible and most people are against it, but UEFA and criticism towards the likes of Neville etc. Is not only valid but needed if we are to improve football as a whole. They have certainly played a part in this mess, and the holier than thou attitude from them is disgusting.

There has been no merit in the league and CL either for a while now. This idea of fairness is just a lie when you dig deeper and it needs to be fixed as well.

 

[laughtersassassin]

I wonder if Woodward will be a major Part of running the super League.

There was some rumours a few months ago that he is leaving United this summer.

If it was to run this thing that would explain everything.

We really need rid of the Glazers or the Government to take away their power with the German rules

 

[SwedishFish]

You're a weird one. You know, people are trying to do a good thing here and yet you're running your mouth off in this thread all day.

So if I disagree that taking down some banners is a "good thing" then I'm a weird one?

Whatever you say kiddo.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Why would they wish, they are a big spanish club and have been more important on the continental stage than Tottenham, Arsenal or City.

No doubt about how good Sevilla is. But as i said, who knows who was invited, who turned them off, who wants to go in etc....

Edit: my local club declined offer today for example. . They had official statement

 

[DoomSlayer]

apart from its literally the opposite of monopolising.

The league itself might be a semi-closed shop for 12-15 places being held by the founders of the league with the remaining being invitational, but it doesn't prevent other competitions from being played. The attempts to kill it by UEFA are the the use of a monopoly to control revenue streams.

Its funny that people are saying 'Earn it' as a slogan against it, when that isn't the point, the clubs have a better offer so are declining to accept their qualification to one competition in favour of the better offer.

We might not like that, or would prefer it didn't happen but they should have the right to do it.

Spare me the typical "market" BS. These are people and collective entities that can't take the burden of their own past mistakes, which have further brought more financial problems to many of those so called "super" clubs, currently caused by the global pandemic and the economic crisis around it.

The fact that they truly have conspired doing all this, lying about it until the very last moment before the announcement, just truly shows the dishonest intents behind the creation of a super league.

It's true that the way football has been progressing, this was always going to pop up at one point as a possibility. It's a further method to commercialise the sport, removing the main core of its' traditional element - the competitive nature and the local community.

Football is global enough already. The big teams have grown way too greedy, their owners have no connection to the actual football club, all they care about is the numbers. So the moment it doesn't make sense, they don't want to share the same playing field as everyone else that they consider inferior. They don't want to allow their own mistakes to be punished and allow other teams, that perform better on significantly lower budgets, to threaten their position on the money source chain. It really shows the power of corporations, hedge funds and wealthy individuals all around the planet, intertwined with a lot of politics and corruption.

 

[Liver_bird]

You're a weird one. You know, people are trying to do a good thing here and yet you're running your mouth off in this thread all day.

At the very least it’s highlighting which posters need to be blocked.

 

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[SwedishFish]

And im allowed to call him out on it.

Call me out on what? You're just being a twat?

 

[SwedishFish]

At the very least it’s highlighting which posters need to be blocked.

Yes, weed out the people that disagree with you. Good riddance.

 

[Morty_]

There are many problems with this concept, but a very blatant one obviously the fact that clubs cant get relegated, they are the "chosen clubs" for as long as this super league exist, thats just so wrong, and if there is nothing at stake its no longer a competition, just content.

Of course the rich clubs have massive advantages as it is, and they win the vast majority of the time, but you still have to produce something to stay where you are, you still have to run the club semi-decently, even big clubs can run into trouble(Milan, Arsenal...) if you fail to do that, but with this super league, that aspect is gone entirely.

 

[future2future]

Huge. Liverpool will bottle it now and the rest will follow.

You can disregard this but it's a step, if fans will boycott this massively they will notice it

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Does no one understand the precarious position that all these players and managers are in?? It's completely different to that, pretty different set of players as well.

I was joking to be fair

 

[Gasolin]

I'd be interested to see what Americans think of this.

I watch a lot of American sports so the concept of no promotion/relegation isn't really that alien to me and I love watching stuff like NFL, NHL and NBA. The constant repeat fixtures isn't really something that bothers me because I'm used to it from watching the various American leagues/sports.

Not American but I live here. I am disgusted. Football for me is about promotion/relegation and keep earning the right to be elite through the wins on the pitch. It cannot be compared to the North American version. See how useless the MLS is for example.

 

[NM]

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Love it! Good barb from Leeds

 

[Liver_bird]

Yes, weed out the people that disagree with you. Good riddance.

Keep mouthing off and being a prick, you’re a disgrace to your club.

 

[hobbers]

Except every fan in the country doesn't feel that way.

All the ones that aren't twitter bots feel the same way.