yes, it looks like someone knocked it up in the few hours between the leak and the announcement
European Super League
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Assuming the leagues follow through with their threats and kick us out of domestic leagues, I’d guess they’d have to make mini ESL leagues between each age group?
Socialism and protectionism for me now that I am big.
Rugged individualism and competition for you as you're not in my club.
That'll be 2.99 for my comment.
Wouldn't count my chickens on it being the government who actually would pull the plug on this just yet.
In that case it was probably the same people that ran Man Utd’s fantastic website for years before it was finally updated.
It's bollox don't get me wrong. But not something hugely suprising. Greedy owners trying everything to leech their property shocker.
Forget all this, to me it seems taxation is the most potent weapon governments have against this, given the clubs are obviously doing it for money. Here’s a proposal, 90% income tax on all revenues a club makes from ESL, and 100% tax on all gate receipts at ESL games.
Given the huge deficit spending we’ve had due to COVID-19, this would easily fly with the public, and basically make the competition economically unviable in the long run. The beauty with this approach is that the government isn’t directly interfering or banning, just doing what a government should do by setting tax policy.
Watching United playing against the same teams over and over and over again year after year sound really boring. I cannot see how anyone might think, that this has some good things in it.
Looks like it's been pieced together by someone in 2 minutes on wordpress.
Honestly I think the website is the biggest indicator that this might not be happening. If they were ready to launch they'd surely have a more thorough website with actual content.
I don't want to see Uefa/ fifa get their way but at the same time the morons running the clubs came up with a dumb competition. Feck the Americans they're the ones who obviously brought in the relegation thing. A 32 team competition with Uefa's influence would have been grand.
"The L9 guideline: "Except with the prior written approval of the board, during the season a club shall not enter or play its senior men's first team in any competition other than:"
The key here is the not enter or play as you can say when the clubs have officially signed up for the ESL they have entered an unapproved tournament. This really do mean that the clubs are breaking the rules in a manner that them getting suspended or thrown out is possibly legitimate according to present football law. The big clubs have breached this rule in the guidelines imo but whether it is enough to kick or suspend them is another legal issue.
The key here is the not enter or play as you can say when the clubs have officially signed up for the ESL they have entered an unapproved tournament. This really do mean that the clubs are breaking the rules in a manner that them getting suspended or thrown out is possibly legitimate according to present football law. The big clubs have breached this rule in the guidelines imo but whether it is enough to kick or suspend them is another legal issue.
Do you know what I completely agree
I'm sure this is negotiating tact that's got out of hand
If you aren't bored of EPL, you won't be bored of ESL either.
I think they have plan for a youth level. Perhaps they even use a third party academies in similar fashion to American college level sport?
They don't already remove the restriction on homegown, non EU quota with the creation of ESL, so for youth level, they may as well as getting all the talented kids themselves (cheaper), and let the finest survive. We have seen Chelsea and City done that.
He's right, to be honest.
Makes me sick to the stomach to read this.
I really don't think it will happen. Europe is uniting against it.
Fans, players, governing bodies, politicians, royalty. If they ignore it all, it's not going to end well for them.
There will be a revolution.
I may get slaugthered for this, but I don't care.
The seeds for that sort of attitude, with regards to the person you quoted, were planted as soon as they started to allow teams who didn't win their league or cup competition into Europe.
The Champions League is a bloody farce and has been for a long time, the outcry at this ESL, although completely right, is soo bloody ironic. Where was the outcry when teams who have done absolutely eff all in years, are getting into Europe's premier competition when all they managed was a 4th place finish?
Some may say, "But who wants to watch Anderlecht play Helsingborg in the Champions League? That's rubbish". It doesn't matter, those teams, who I used just as an example, met the criteria for qualifying for the competition by winning their league. That's sport for you. UEFA, have been going back on their principles for years to suit and accommodate TV Companies/Sponsors/Businessmen and their profits rather than clubs who have a right to be there through their sporting achievements.
Hell mend them.
The 12 "founders" have a permanent place is what I cannot accept. If there was any sort of relegation, a chance for top teams in each league to take the place of others, I would entertain this as I'm not against shaking things up. This however is so blatantly based around greed and nothing to do with competition and integrity. I hope the Government finds a way to nuke this shite since half the teams are from this bloody country, without them hopefully its a non-starter. The thought that Spurs and Arsenal get some forever exempt status while Ajax, Celtic, Porto, Bayern etc. aren't there is beyond a joke. The thought that WE get some special status no matter how shit we become is beyond a joke.
You only need to look at the people behind this, people think UEFA are bad(they are). Was done completely behind doors, the manager and players of the clubs were completely in the dark and have seemingly been thrown to the wolves.
Joel Glazer in a senior position, how anyone can be in favour of this.. utterly boggles my fecking mind.
As bad as this is, it's only the start if it was to happen, this is a league that will be milked dry. Reminds me of Trump and his antics, always managing to push the bar lower and lower than people thought possible and it will happen.
This is a league that will have 3/4 of the league as 'founding members' for seemingly 23 years. So in those years, it doesn't matter how bad some of those teams may get, they're there to stay. Financially doped beyond any Non-ESL team, regardless of how fecking bad they are. Is the merit based teams a one off or is it each year, if say a merit based team were to win the super league do they remain or do they go? If they have to finish bottom 5 to be relegated what if they share that bottom 5 with 4 founders? How the feck is that fair.
A Euro league is an interesting idea aslong as it's based on merit. Anyone that thinks this league should go ahead with 15 founding members being a permanent feature without having to do anything to quality needs to give their fecking head a wobble.
Joel Glazer in a senior position, how anyone can be in favour of this.. utterly boggles my fecking mind.
As bad as this is, it's only the start if it was to happen, this is a league that will be milked dry. Reminds me of Trump and his antics, always managing to push the bar lower and lower than people thought possible and it will happen.
This is a league that will have 3/4 of the league as 'founding members' for seemingly 23 years. So in those years, it doesn't matter how bad some of those teams may get, they're there to stay. Financially doped beyond any Non-ESL team, regardless of how fecking bad they are. Is the merit based teams a one off or is it each year, if say a merit based team were to win the super league do they remain or do they go? If they have to finish bottom 5 to be relegated what if they share that bottom 5 with 4 founders? How the feck is that fair.
A Euro league is an interesting idea aslong as it's based on merit. Anyone that thinks this league should go ahead with 15 founding members being a permanent feature without having to do anything to quality needs to give their fecking head a wobble.
b league for b teams is most likely for me. allows stockpiling talent.
Messi v Ronaldo will both likely be retired by the time this thing gets going...or not playing in europe.
Ironic as things stand Mbappe and Haaland wouldn't be playing in this league anyway although both are near certs to be playing in teams in this in next year or two.
Yeah I'm really sure the lawyers for the 12 biggest clubs in the world didn't miss this.
The registration of the website was transferred on the 27th October 2020.
The very next day we started getting loads of stories about a Super League.
https://www.football-espana.net/202...o-be-18-team-tournament-with-nba-style-format
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-league-plan-would-destroy-the-premier-league
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...hampions-liverpool-man-utd-bartomeu-president
Like everything corporate, they've been planning this long before it was officially announced to us plebs.
Oh thank you, I don't remember asking you?
But they'll play the games away from OT, if all the clubs are determined to go ahead with this then it will just drive them away.
It’s all a big joke to a lot which to be honest doesn’t surprise me these days. People have no attention span for football or respect for leagues, they want a prime mbappe highlight and that’ll do, there’s also those that just love to see things burn and enjoy having a real life coronation street style drama to revel in
Good job, @Martial'sEmergingSmile this is true detective work.
This is an absolute joke. They can't take their European Cup/Champions League history and successes and rebrand it as Super League achievements.
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that has to be bollocks
that's just daft.Drive them away where? It would be a pan-European action by all governments, who have come out against it. Depriving clubs of the revenues from ESL really does seem to me the easiest way to attack it.
Nice input cheers, same to you then.
Why? They did the same thing when the CL was introduced.
Sevilla ruling themselves out, and a Liverpool fan group removing their flags isn't something we should be laughing at or trivialising.
They're withdrawing support in the biggest way they can. Individually it might lack impact and I'm worried there's nothing we can collectively do to stop it, but at least they're doing something.
They're withdrawing support in the biggest way they can. Individually it might lack impact and I'm worried there's nothing we can collectively do to stop it, but at least they're doing something.
Haha piss off. Start your tinpot glorified preseason tournament trophy count at zero. Don't steal someone else's history.
That was UEFA rebranding their own competition. Not some billionaire club starting up their own and stealing the history of something not theres.
Spurs and Arsenal though... and of course the elite City.
The MLS is useless because 99% of people here don't give a shit about soccer.
I'm honestly struggling to tell the parody responses apart from the real ones.
This can't be true surely ?