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yes, it looks like someone knocked it up in the few hours between the leak and the announcement
yes, it looks like someone knocked it up in the few hours between the leak and the announcement
Assuming the leagues follow through with their threats and kick us out of domestic leagues, I’d guess they’d have to make mini ESL leagues between each age group?Feck this.
Good question, i wonder this too.
Socialism and protectionism for me now that I am big.Spare me the typical "market" BS. These are people and collective entities that can't take the burden of their own past mistakes, which have further brought more financial problems to many of those so called "super" clubs, currently caused by the global pandemic and the economic crisis around it.
The fact that they truly have conspired doing all this, lying about it until the very last moment before the announcement, just truly shows the dishonest intents behind the creation of a super league.
It's true that the way football has been progressing, this was always going to pop up at one point as a possibility. It's a further method to commercialise the sport, removing the main core of its' traditional element - the competitive nature and the local community.
Football is global enough already. The big teams have grown way too greedy, their owners have no connection to the actual football club, all they care about is the numbers. So the moment it doesn't make sense, they don't want to share the same playing field as everyone else that they consider inferior. They don't want to allow their own mistakes to be punished and allow other teams, that perform better on significantly lower budgets, to threaten their position on the money source chain. It really shows the power of corporations, hedge funds and wealthy individuals all around the planet, intertwined with a lot of politics and corruption.
Wouldn't count my chickens on it being the government who actually would pull the plug on this just yet.Finally, football fans will see legislation governing us through democracy and parliament - however flawed - has potential to change things for the better.
In that case it was probably the same people that ran Man Utd’s fantastic website for years before it was finally updated.yes, it looks like someone knocked it up in the few hours between the leak and the announcement
It's bollox don't get me wrong. But not something hugely suprising. Greedy owners trying everything to leech their property shocker.Maybe but enough is enough
Forget all this, to me it seems taxation is the most potent weapon governments have against this, given the clubs are obviously doing it for money. Here’s a proposal, 90% income tax on all revenues a club makes from ESL, and 100% tax on all gate receipts at ESL games.Analysis: The PM has set himself against the elite club plans. Here are some ways they could be challenged
While ministers might be united with fans and opposition parties in pledging to oppose a European Super League (ESL) including six English clubs, precisely how that might happen remains unclear for now – and is by no means straightforward. Here are some possible options:
A change to the law
This would pass easily through parliament, with Labour saying it would back emergency legislation to stop Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham breaking away to join the new league.
However, it remains unclear what form a new law would take. One option under consideration is to oblige English football clubs to have the German-style model of ownership by which fans are guaranteed a majority of share ownership, with the only exception in Germany being for people or companies that have invested for 20 or more years continuously.
This would almost certainly stop English clubs joining the new league, with leading German clubs turning down the chance to do so. However, it would also have an impact on the flow of investment into English football, particularly from overseas.
Action under competition rules
This would be based on the argument that the proposed format of the ESL – with 15 “founder” teams guaranteed permanent status and only five clubs taking part on merit each year – amounts to an anti-competitive closed shop. It would be “a theoretical argument to make - but it’s a difficult one”, according to Neil Baylis, a competition lawyer with the law firm Mishcon de Reya.
There is nothing intrinsically illegal about fixed-participant tournaments, for example the Six Nations in rugby union, meaning competition law would only be breached if it could be shown that the ESL was shutting out other teams from significant revenue.
“It’s quite a tough argument to run here,” said Baylis. “It’s not stopping the Premier League from carrying on, and with midweek games it’s deliberately trying not to compete head on with the Saturday afternoon timetable. So it’s far from obvious that everyone [is] going to only want to watch the Super League games.”
If a competition rules route was chosen, this could happen via official regulators such as the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority or its equivalent in countries where other ESL teams are based, or via the courts. With regulatory cases tending to take “months if not years”, the latter seemed more likely, Baylis said.
Complicating matters even further is the fact that ESL teams might themselves have recourse to the same laws if, as threatened, participating teams were thrown out of other competitions, or their players were barred from international tournaments, on the basis that this was an attempt to stifle competition.
The only precedent for any similar cases, Baylis said, had been in far smaller sports – ice skating and showjumping – where organising bodies were challenged for preventing sportspeople from taking part in non-affiliated events.
Removing government support
The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, raised this idea in a Commons statement, saying the government could look at what it does “to facilitate matches, and facilitate those clubs – and looking at whether we should continue to provide that support”.
He did not specify what this might involve, but it could potentially mean, for example, being less willing to grant work permits for overseas players at UK-based ESL teams.
Restricting TV rights
Another potential lever for government could be controlling or restricting television rights, which would be the key income stream for the new league. But again this appears difficult, given the proliferation of TV and web-based streaming options now available.
One official route on televised sport is to add events to the so-called crown jewels, which under Ofcom regulation have to either be shown live or as highlights on free-to-air TV. This list, however, is rarely updated and very limited. For football, aside from the FA Cup final (and the Scottish Cup final on Scottish TV), it covers only the finals of the World Cup and the Euros.
Fan boycotts
Not under the control of government, obviously, but given the almost unanimously negative response from fans to the idea of the ESL, it is always possible that its undoing is something much less formal: a realisation among teams tempted to sign up that this could tarnish their brands for years, and shed far more money in customer boycotts than is gained via TV rights.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...per-league-what-can-boris-johnson-do-about-it
Looks like it's been pieced together by someone in 2 minutes on wordpress.
Do you know what I completely agreeLooks like it's been pieced together by someone in 2 minutes on wordpress.
Honestly I think the website is the biggest indicator that this might not be happening. If they were ready to launch they'd surely have a more thorough website with actual content.
If you aren't bored of EPL, you won't be bored of ESL either.Watching United playing against the same teams over and over and over again year after year sound really boring. I cannot see how anyone might think, that this has some good things in it.
I think they have plan for a youth level. Perhaps they even use a third party academies in similar fashion to American college level sport?I’m sure this has been raised by some already, but what ramifications would the ESL have on the youth teams?
He's right, to be honest.And you are the pride of all scousers with that language.
Shut up man, let people have different opinions.
Makes me sick to the stomach to read this.
I may get slaugthered for this, but I don't care.How can someone be so entitled and selfish??? If we can’t qualify, we are not good enough. Are you saying Southampton or Villa shouldn’t be able to play in CL because they don’t have the kind of history we do? This is against competition, fair play and so sickening I can’t even express my thoughts properly. Unless this is sarcasm, which would make more sense.
b league for b teams is most likely for me. allows stockpiling talent.Feck this.
Good question, i wonder this too.
Messi v Ronaldo will both likely be retired by the time this thing gets going...or not playing in europe.I disagree with this as a principle, but watching the best players playing against each other every week should be the dream for every football fan. The group stages are boring because 50% of the teams in the competition are dross. I guarantee that playing Madrid will never get boring, nor will Ronaldo Vs Messi etc. It would be the highest level of football ever showcased.
Yeah I'm really sure the lawyers for the 12 biggest clubs in the world didn't miss this."The L9 guideline: "Except with the prior written approval of the board, during the season a club shall not enter or play its senior men's first team in any competition other than:"
The key here is the not enter or play as you can say when the clubs have officially signed up for the ESL they have entered an unapproved tournament. This really do mean that the clubs are breaking the rules in a manner that them getting suspended or thrown out is possibly legitimate according to present football law. The big clubs have breach this rule in the guidelines imo but whether it is enough to kick or suspend them is another legal issue.
The registration of the website was transferred on the 27th October 2020.
Oh thank you, I don't remember asking you?He's right, to be honest.
But they'll play the games away from OT, if all the clubs are determined to go ahead with this then it will just drive them away.Forget all this, to me it seems taxation is the most potent weapon governments have against this, given the clubs are obviously doing it for money. Here’s a proposal, 90% income tax on all revenues a club makes from ESL, and 100% tax on all gate receipts at ESL games.
Given the huge deficit spending we’ve had due to COVID-19, this would easily fly with the public, and basically make the competition economically unviable in the long run. The beauty with this approach is that the government isn’t directly interfering or banning, just doing what a government should do by setting tax policy.
It’s all a big joke to a lot which to be honest doesn’t surprise me these days. People have no attention span for football or respect for leagues, they want a prime mbappe highlight and that’ll do, there’s also those that just love to see things burn and enjoy having a real life coronation street style drama to revel inWas surprised to come into this thread this evening and see nearly an upbeat atmosphere. Really strange.
Good job, @Martial'sEmergingSmile this is true detective work.The registration of the website was transferred on the 27th October 2020.
The very next day we started getting loads of stories about a Super League.
https://www.football-espana.net/202...o-be-18-team-tournament-with-nba-style-format
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-league-plan-would-destroy-the-premier-league
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...hampions-liverpool-man-utd-bartomeu-president
Like everything corporate, they've been planning this long before it was officially announced to us plebs.
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Welcome to public forums.Oh thank you, I don't remember asking you?
Drive them away where? It would be a pan-European action by all governments, who have come out against it. Depriving clubs of the revenues from ESL really does seem to me the easiest way to attack it.But they'll play the games away from OT, if all the clubs are determined to go ahead with this then it will just drive them away.
Nice input cheers, same to you then.Welcome to public forums.
Why? They did the same thing when the CL was introduced.This is an absolute joke. They can't take their European Cup/Champions League history and successes and rebrand it as Super League achievements.
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Haha piss off. Start your tinpot glorified preseason tournament trophy count at zero. Don't steal someone else's history.This is an absolute joke. They can't take their European Cup/Champions League history and successes and rebrand it as Super League achievements.
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That was UEFA rebranding their own competition. Not some billionaire club starting up their own and stealing the history of something not theres.Why? They did the same thing when the CL was introduced.
The MLS is useless because 99% of people here don't give a shit about soccer.Not American but I live here. I am disgusted. Football for me is about promotion/relegation and keep earning the right to be elite through the wins on the pitch. It cannot be compared to the North American version. See how useless the MLS is for example.
I'm honestly struggling to tell the parody responses apart from the real ones.This is an absolute joke. They can't take their European Cup/Champions League history and successes and rebrand it as Super League achievements.
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Wasn't that still UEFA though?Why? They did the same thing when the CL was introduced.
This can't be true surely ?This is an absolute joke. They can't take their European Cup/Champions League history and successes and rebrand it as Super League achievements.
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