European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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rcoobc

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Not the same at all.
The ESL is an entirely seperate league from the CL, whereas the PL is simply a conversion of the old division one format.

Not really the same thing.
The ESL is to replace the Champions League. It's a break-away league by the top teams.

I the ESL happens, and next year we're all watching the European Super League with it's 20 teams, or 30 teams, or 40 teams.. however many are involved.. if it's the premier European football competition then both old and new titles we definitely count.
 

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I am sick to my stomach about this. It is the worst, most diabolical development of my 40 plus years supporting United.
That is not a blase comment. I can just about remember our relegation from the First Division and our resurrection under Tommy Docherty.
Alex Ferguson's retirement was a shock.
But this!! There has to be a way to get the Glazers' grabbing hands off our club. Because it is not THEIRS it is ours.
I for one will NEVER set foot in Old Trafford if we are in this tinpot super league. And i invite others to follow suit.
But really this needs action that goes far and away beyond boycotts.
What the Glazers have done has brought our club into disrepute.
They have defecated on 143 years of our history.
They have made our record 20 English league titles, 12 FA Cups, five League Cups and three European Cups/Champions Leagues seem worthless.
They cannot get away with this abomination.
 

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People are deluded if they don't feel this exposes United to potentially playing "home" games abroad just like the NFL. To potentially moving stadiums, being renamed etc at some point down the line. History, local fans, mean nothing, absolutely nothing to the owners, they're just barriers to more income.
 

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The ESL is to replace the Champions League. It's a break-away league by the top teams.

I the ESL happens, and next year we're all watching the European Super League with it's 20 teams, or 30 teams, or 40 teams.. however many are involved.. if it's the premier European football competition then both old and new titles we definitely count.
No they won't? They shouldn't anyway. What aren't you understanding, it's not the same organisation, its a totally separate entity. There's no logical reason why the titles should carry over.
 

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People are deluded if they don't feel this exposes United to potentially playing "home" games abroad just like the NFL. To potentially moving stadiums, being renamed etc at some point down the line. History, local fans, mean nothing, absolutely nothing to the owners, they're just barriers to more income.
Would have probably happened in the PL at some point anyway IMO.
 

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Oh thank you, I don't remember asking you?
You've been clear on the importance of letting people have their opinions. Someone shared their opinion about you, that's a good thing. Let people have their opinions about your opinions.
 

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One think I can not wrap my head around is the fecking managers of these clubs finding out the same day they announced it. Not consulted at all. Forget not caring about the fans, we fecking knew that already, these football clubs don’t care about their own staff, management and players. It’s so so incredibly sad that this is the game now - whether this goes ahead or not.

A thorough inquest is needed into football ownership. These are British businesses, if not considered to be merely football clubs anymore, and they are acting without any interest in the British people or our economy.
 

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From this year, they can't. Because those 5 clubs which are involved brought money to Uefa. Through sponsors and tv rights. Uefa must transfer part of that money to them.
On paper, they did not do anything wrong regarding this year's competition. But i am not lawyer so...
Apparently UEFA are consulting their legal team so will know more by friday
 

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I've been wondering this. There's a lot of teams needed to be added, and after all this uproar, which clubs will be happy to join the party now? Or will money do the talking.
Money always talks but this seems a hot fecking mess to touch right now. Its quite interesting that no other club has come forward as one of the next 3 clubs. I mean maybe they can get Zenit or Gent. But then whats fecking super about that when you already have crap like the NL clubs already in it
 

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The Champions League will still exist though in this instance. This move just devalues it more.
The first division still exists under the Championship name now, same trophy that used to be awarded to the champions of England. But these day's it's not the top tier of English football.

That's how these clubs think. They will consider the winners of the Super League the champions of Europe.
 

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People are deluded if they don't feel this exposes United to potentially playing "home" games abroad just like the NFL. To potentially moving stadiums, being renamed etc at some point down the line. History, local fans, mean nothing, absolutely nothing to the owners, they're just barriers to more income.
I can see them selling naming rights for the stadium now. They have shown the fans no respect so why bother about any uproar over that.
 

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You've been clear on the importance of letting people have their opinions. Someone shared their opinion about you, that's a good thing. Let people have their opinions about your opinions.
Personal attacks are not opinions. No matter if you agree or not.
 

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On this point, the American sports work in a closed shop environment because colleges are HUGE business and keep up the regular supply of top quality sportsmen ready to take the step into the NFL, NBL etc.

Where do the next generation of footballers come from? Right now, kids play on parks then go to a local junior club then maybe a county team then get spotted by scouts but there are 92 clubs (and non league) to take them in.. they don't all go straight to United or Madrid, plenty take a circuitous route. Without the pyramid (the equivalent breeding ground to US college system), it's done?
The US college system is only fully relevant to the NFL. Basketball only somewhat because of the age rule. Baseball is almost entirely AAU then minor-leagues - high schoolers get drafted by MLB teams and go straight into the minors.

As for MLS... it's a mess.

Calm down people. Football sold its soul a long time ago.

This is a negotiation and will end up in a newly reformatted Champions League.
This what I thought at first. The whole thing played out strangely this weekend, with UEFA and domestic leagues teaming up for a pre-announcement condemnation, followed by the ESL announcement, which was obviously timed to front-run UEFA's announcement of changes to the CL/EL. Note that both ESL and UEFA changes aren't set to happen until 2023/24 (I think). That's a lot of time for negotiations.

I would guess Americans love it. They're the target audience after all, along with the Chinese, Indians et al who couldn't care less about domestic leagues and just want to see big names extravaganza every week.

I also like American sports, I watch NFL and NBA semiregularly. But I don't love them quite like football and some of it has to do with the way the competitions are organised. Closed competitions always seem so volatile to me, there's no real continuity.

Also all levels of sports in the US are based on and support their prevailing franchise system, whereas here in europe, they absolutely are not. NFL is the only real professional league there, here there are hundreds.

It would be the same if the NFL decided to adopt a European league format from next season onward, while College and below would go on as before. It would cause the same uproar.
This American does not like it. I do think most American fans will be savvy enough about the whole situation to not like it as well, but I could be wrong. On the whole, if they're the type of fan you fear, they're more easily distracted by the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. I do think you're right about the average Asian fans, though, as they don't have as well-developed, high-level professional sports leagues as the rest of the world.
 

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CL was arranged by UEFA, the same as the European Cup. They do changed a lot of thing over the year, but they don't just give a club a guaranteed spot regardless.

This ESL is completely different. Why counting UEFA's trophies?
To give it history and heritage
 

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Yeah I'm really sure the lawyers for the 12 biggest clubs in the world didn't miss this.
What are missing here of course that individual law or a paragraph do not stand alone. This means the lawyers hired by the ESL might hope that other law that have higher importance in the hierarchy of the current law system will override the breach of this particular paragraph in the guidelines. They might also believe there are precedent set earlier that would allow them to do this. Hence why they done a lot of prep work in a legal manner before going public with this is my guess. But this dosn´t mean that they win in the court system however as the judges that will reside over this upcoming court battle will agree with this.
 
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Nobody is logging off of their console to watch the vast majority of these """big games""" in the superleague either, when the majority over the season are going to be dead rubbers.

3 years later: 7th place United playing 9th place Milan again. Big fecking woop. Oh wait, on the other channel Spurs are getting boned by Real for the 6th time in the SL. Oh and Napoli vs Arsenal is on, what a match for the ages :lol:
 

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Will it be a case of the law of diminishing returns as it relates to the constant occurrence of games pitting the same big clubs versus one another? For example, what is it that makes the World Cup such an extravaganza and an emotionally gripping and uniting experience? Would that sentiment be the same if the WC was once every year or two, for example, or does the sporadic nature of its scheduling allow for the development of anticipation and hype to culminate at the end of a four year waiting period?
 

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England (and Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Wales) should definitely have a 2nd "World Championship" title for wining those Olympics...
I believe that they are recognised as world champions, historically, for those Olympic gold medals, and so they should. However, you don't see England branding those Olympic championships as World Cups (or even worse, "FIFA World Cups"). Their old Olympic accomplishments are appropriately recognised separately from their FIFA accomplishments (if only the FIFA didn't gloss over/ignore the old Olympic tournaments...).
Thus start the innovations. Hopefully we see some good come off of those and introduced to football as a whole. About this particular change...explaining all of the decisions will add extra, unnecessary delays, and if they implement it like the NFL do (with refs separating themselves from the players), it'll take a bit of time before we even get to an explanation of the more contentious calls.
 
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