European Super League

[JPRouve]

I never said they could close the gap. If you can't relate the question I asked and the discussion that was relevant, you are either dodging or you haven't been following the discussions. Feel free to go back and check the posts related to the discussions.

My mistake then.

So isn't that an opportunity for other teams to catch up then? West Ham and Leicester will get the top 4 ?

 

[Bastian]

Realistically, there's no stopping the ESL. The best we can hope for is a softening of the initial ESL charter. In that regard, I'll support the protests. But I think everyone needs to be aware there's no 'winning' here. There's only 'losing less badly'.

No no. There is a light at the end of this particular tunnel, if we manage to get there, which would result in revamping the ownership structure. That's obviously the logical way to go, instead of navigating capitalist problems with more extreme capitalist solutions.

 

[sullydnl]

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[Berbaclass]

But Perez is literally the leader of this thing.
Isnt he a bit more reliable that Sam Lee? Where was Sam etc before Sunday anyway? How the feck did everybody miss this?
We cant even scout Sancho without getting caught yet here we are, creating a new European league on the sly

I agree he was pretty arrogant too suggesting he knows that it can’t be stopped etc.

 

[Dante]

Isn't this awful news? That means there's not even that much incentive to even bother bloody winning the damn super league! Even less chance of investment in the team, because why should they? Whats there really to gain? The Glazers have wanted success for money, if they don't need success for money, why would they bother improving the team? They wouldn't.

To some degree. But it would hopefully be mitigated by this:

• A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year

And this one needs to be bigger.

 

[sewey89]

Hmmm.... I don't hate this as much as I thought I would.

• The competition winner would receive just 1.5 times more than the bottom side. By comparison, that ratio in Spain’s La Liga is closer to 3.5 times

This is good, and would make for a more competitive ESL.

It also makes it less appealing to the money men to actually win it or compete. Why bother signing new players if prize money is practically irrelevant

• The 15 “founding clubs” of the Super League would share 32.5 per cent of these commercial revenues

This percentage needs to be smaller, imo.

This is ridiculously big, as you say.

• A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year

And this one needs to be bigger.

The fact the 'founding clubs' get ANOTHER share of 32.5 is disgusting.

• The final 15 per cent would be shared based on broadcast audience size

I'd like to see an additional commitment to parachute payments/funding of national leagues in order to help grass roots football.

I don't have that much of a problem with this as a standalone rule, but you're right, do the 'bigger clubs' really need more on top of what they're getting. This could be used much better

• Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the terms

Good. But only if some of the remaining 45% is earmarked for improvement of local neighbourhoods and youth development. If it all goes to the owners, they can feck off.

Agree. But like you say, it's very important to see where the rest goes. I suspect we already know.

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[Berbaclass]

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I don’t believe Nasser for a second. They just have a very lucrative World Cup to protect.

 

[duffer]

I'll be beyond shocked if Ole speaks out about it to be honest, I hope I'm wrong though.

He'll say the same as Klopp and Pep. "I don't know all the details, I was not involved but I really dont like the idea of a closed shop".

There's not much else he can say at the moment.

 

[Paxi]

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[MonkeysMagic]

In all of this, despite my own grave concerns and vehement opposition to the ESL, I will not be lectured by UEFA and FIFA about 'preservation of the game for the ordinary person'.

Given their scandalous and corrupt handling of these organisations, for them to take the moral high ground on this matter is beyond a joke! It has more than a whiff of self-preservation or rather the continuation of inflated Bank balances. So a message to Ceferin, Infantino et al...sort your own house at before chucking stones!

 

[cyberman]

It wasnt missed, this has been reported on for a few years. Was very loud last year too, everyone just denied it

But every club having signed up to it is huge news. It was always described as a threat but they went out and did it and not a peep.
I do wonder if a few journos were enticed to keep quiet, hence the soft coverage of Chelsea and City. Lets see if they suddenly break some big transfer news over the summer.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

Stretford Paddock have an interesting view, what happens to our youth teams?

Without access to the various competitions, how does the academy bring through new talent?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

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[Kill 'em all]

I'm not entirely sure on the following, but you'd assume there won't be grounds to sue if the clubs involved are legally obligated to pull out due to government legislation.

Right?

That could lead to the club to be moved offshore as it would be cheaper than being sued.

 

[cyberman]

Stretford Paddock have an interesting view, what happens to our youth teams?

Without access to the various competitions, how does the academy bring through new talent?

We arent being kicked out of domestic football.

 

[bsCallout]

No it won't but this foul cry by UEFA or PL is just a skint attempt because they are losing their money and not exactly because of their love towards the game.

If there is one thing that could and should come out of this, it is increased scrunity of Uefa and Fifa.

Ultimately this may be the thing that increases regulations across the sport. If it doesn't go ahead.

 

[Lyricist]

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This better be true. Actually such a good idea, that, to have a meeting with just the team captains.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Sam Lee who is as reliable as it gets for city stated yesterday that these agreements are not legally binding.

Sam Lee is no longer reliable for City. Hierarchy at City were upset due to one of his article and now doesn't get any exclusive scoop from the club.

 

[Berbaclass]

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“Let’s wear T-shirt’s that say we’re not happy”

 

[stevoc]

I think the 50+1 rule is a good idea but there are many potential negatives with it, the biggest drawback of the 50+1 rule is that it limits the financial capacity of the clubs. Without being able to captain the ship, external investors would not like to channel heavy funds into a team and current investors might decide to leave.
This will mean the major sources of PL club finances will be limited to the revenue generated through operational activities like match tickets, shirt sales, et al.
This is why Bayern is so dominant financially in the Bundesliga.
So I can see the big 6 doing 5 but the likes of Evertin, Leeds, West Ham may struggle to get potential investors.

Yeah because external billionaires/investors with no ties or connections to English clubs or English football have been great for the English game, culminating in the debacle currently playing out with the SL proposal.

 

[BFernandes]

What's boiling my piss is the clubs not willing to talk about it. The complete and utter silence.

6 of these clubs have thrown the game into massive turmoil, and all they can do is sit quietly behind their shit statements released on their websites.

No communications with their own players or fans. It's as if they think they they lay low for awhile people will forget about it and they'll get their way.

So out of touch and disconnected with the football community it's laughable.

 

[JJ12]

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Very good news

 

[Zlatan 7]

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Competitive sport IS business and has been for decades - the two can't be separated.
This has been the way the sport has been going since TV Rights were introduced, and shirt sponsors, and state-backed owners - this particular action may have escalated the decline into market capitalisation quicker than previous ones, but this was always the outcome.

If they were concerned about the PL losing jobs they would've done more during the pandemic this time last year, they're not.

Fair enough yes you’re right, I’m too romantic toward the sport itself and honestly, even if I could see a super league or such happening in the future I didn’t expect it to be a closed off group who still wanted to feck up their national leagues by still being part of it.

UEFA reforms, Champions league reform, a new competition aligned with UEFA, any of that but not a private made up league separate to current football structures, that’s a joke.

 

[Mickeza]

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Ultimately players or the govt are the only things that stop it.

 

[mariachi-19]

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Nobody gives a flying feck about PSG.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

“Let’s wear T-shirt’s that say we’re not happy”

"I love running"

 

[bsCallout]

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Going to be so grim when Liverpool players and fans become the saviours of football. Fair play to him though.

 

[Crustanoid]

There's something highly laughable and revolting at the idea of City dropping out and being spoken about like saviours and true good guys.

They are a big reason this has happened

 

[pratyush_utd]

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I couldn't find where he said he won't join ESL

 

[KiD MoYeS]

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Hope they all agree to walk. I fully support them.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Isn't this awful news? That means there's not even that much incentive to even bother bloody winning the damn super league! Even less chance of investment in the team, because why should they? Whats there really to gain? The Glazers have wanted success for money, if they don't need success for money, why would they bother improving the team? They wouldn't.

It’s a glorified friendly league separate to UEFA and FIFA just to provide a steady stream of income to already filthy rich men for the next twenty years. Pathetic how anyone can even begin to want it

 

[big rons sovereign]

This better be true. Actually such a good idea, that, to have a meeting with just the team captains.

A meeting with a collective IQ of about 50.

 

[Saphan]

Don’t necessarily agree with that as a fan of American sports.

Just look at the NBA. After half season, half of the team are trying to loose.

 

[predator]

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Fair play to Henderson. The players are the ones with the easiest route to having the most power to stop this thing.

 

[Berbaclass]

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[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

The man that called fans customers, belittled the Gold and Green, defended Glazers. feck off.

Likes to follow women into bathrooms.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Why do they call him the bullet dodger?

Because he dodges bullets Avi

 

[pocco]

Seeing footballers come out against it and saying 'I've not heard one supporter that thinks this is a good idea' made me think, they need to come to the Caf and meet @crossy1686

 

[Paxi]

Klopp and Guardiola have both spoken against it but we need more. Are we expecting too much from them to threaten to walk? I would fully support the Man Utd squad and management threatening to walk.

Yes probably a bit too much , but they’ve did the right thing and that in of itself presents the question — how can these owners, go into this new proposed competition, that their own players and coaches are not in support of?

I also expect Ole to complete swerve this as I don’t think it would be very good for the longevity of his reign here. By all accounts, we’re the primary drivers behind this new league.

Klopp and Pep can voice their discontent because it would be suicidal for the board to sack them due to their recent success. Ole doesn’t have that type of credit in the bank with Glazers IMO.

 

[big rons sovereign]

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