European Super League

[Tom Van Persie]

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Fair enough yes you’re right, I’m too romantic toward the sport itself and honestly, even if I could see a super league or such happening in the future I didn’t expect it to be a closed off group who still wanted to feck up their national leagues by still being part of it.

UEFA reforms, Champions league reform, a new competition aligned with UEFA, any of that but not a private made up league separate to current football structures, that’s a joke.

Yes it shouldn't be a closed off group with no outline as to entry requirements or consequences for failure, that much I couldn't agree with more.
I don't really care about UEFA alignment - they've proven themselves to be corrupt to feck too.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Going to be so grim when Liverpool players and fans become the saviours of football. Fair play to him though.

This is way above a rivalry. If Liverpool are the club to reverse this then a big fair f*cks to them.

 

[Lyricist]

A meeting with a collective IQ of about 50.

So what, even if half of them couldn't change a light bulb (I think you actually need to have some social skills and wit to become captain, so I'd disagree with you), they do have some say within their teams. If all captains agree that they will talk to the rest of their teams about speaking up against it, then there's that pressure on the owners that is needed.
The team captains are in a much better role perhaps than the coaches, because they're actually active players that can act as role models for the other teammates to follow here.

 

[Zlatan 7]

My mistake then.

I took that post that they would close the gap and catch up to make top four because the SL teams would be taking it easy as a joke. Surely no one could say that with a straight face

 

[slored1]

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Here we go. Expected Marcus to be classy. I am sure now some of you will find stupid reasons to make him hypocritical as well.

 

[JPRouve]

I don’t believe Nasser for a second. They just have a very lucrative World Cup to protect.

World Cups aren't lucrative for the host, they are a money pit. On the other end, QTAs actual investment on hospitality infrastructure would be perfectly advertised during a World Cup which is what Qatar care about.

 

[Devil may care]

I don't see why bank account difference should matter. Players are normal people who are more talented than us and have earned the money. Why should they do something normal people would not do ?

With great power comes great responsibility, when a person has to work to get by they simply can't lose their jobs, and yet you still see poor people stand up for what is right against corporations and governments, these players have huge influence and the safety net to do what is right with the only fallout being their weekly wage may be 150k a week instead of 200k, Colin Kapernick did it.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

• Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the term

This was so obvious. A lot of people have been calling this for the past couple of days.

Massively increased money in football, but a gentleman's agreement amongst the owners not to inflate transfer fees/wages and keep the money in house - so clubs like Villa, for example, don't benefit from any increased 'trickle down' money when selling a star like Grealish.

Add this on top of the bullshit where you get a fiver a and a pack of Space Raiders for actually winning the competition and it's clear that there's (deliberately) no real incentive to actively improve squads in major ways or even to win the 'competition'.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see formal wage caps/spending caps or even a trade system implemented within 5 years to keep an even bigger percentage of the profits in the pockets of billionaires.

 

[hanovercigars]

This is ridiculous because this entire scenario is the Tory Party philosophy, now suddenly they want to restrict the market from doing what they actively encourage in other industries.

Remember the original Tory party was the party of the Corn Laws, a law designed to fix the price of grain. The conservative party also took the UK into the EU's predecessor the EEC which is a high tariff border closed market system. They will have no problems coming up with any kind of law which restricts the free market as long as it keeps them in power.

 

[Berbaclass]

World Cups aren't lucrative for the host, they are a money pit. On the other end, QTAs actual investment on hospitality infrastructure would be perfectly advertised during a World Cup which is what Qatar care about.

It’s lucrative/very valuable for their sportswashing operation.

 

[FrankDrebin]

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Oh Marcus

 

[SmallCaine]

But Perez is literally the leader of this thing.
Isnt he a bit more reliable that Sam Lee? Where was Sam etc before Sunday anyway? How the feck did everybody miss this?
We cant even scout Sancho without getting caught yet here we are, creating a new European league on the sly

Perez has a reason to lie, he can't just say, oh if it gets too hot to handle some clubs can walk out, no hard feelings. Lee doesn't.

 

[big rons sovereign]

So what, even if half of them couldn't change a light bulb (I think you actually need to have some social skills and wit to become captain, so I'd disagree with you), they do have some say within their teams. If all captains agree that they will talk to the rest of their teams about speaking up against it, then there's that pressure on the owners that is needed.
The team captains are in a much better role perhaps than the coaches, because they're actually active players that can act as role models for the other teammates to follow here.

Feel free to believe that.

 

[Zlatan 7]

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Go on Liverpool! Most I’ve liked Liverpool and their fans in all my life

 

[Berbaclass]

Just look at the NBA. After half season, half of the team are trying to loose.

Because of the draft though no?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Sir Marcus is a genuine hero, he's stepped up again here. Hopefully more to come.

 

[0le]

So glad that Rashford and Marcus have spoken out. Fair play to Milner last night. Henderson getting captains together is great as well. Hopefully the players can group together to help stop this.

 

[bond19821982]

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a team who literally spent 400m + on 2 players talks about Fairness. God - hypocrisy just suicides.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

• The competition winner would receive just 1.5 times more than the bottom side. By comparison, that ratio in Spain’s La Liga is closer to 3.5 times

This is good, and would make for a more competitive ESL.

It also makes it less appealing to the money men to actually win it or compete. Why bother signing new players if prize money is practically irrelevant

• The 15 “founding clubs” of the Super League would share 32.5 per cent of these commercial revenues

This percentage needs to be smaller, imo.

This is ridiculously big, as you say.

• A further 32.5 per cent would be distributed between all 20 participating teams, including the five sides invited to play in the competition each year

And this one needs to be bigger.

The fact the 'founding clubs' get ANOTHER share of 32.5 is disgusting.

• The final 15 per cent would be shared based on broadcast audience size

I'd like to see an additional commitment to parachute payments/funding of national leagues in order to help grass roots football.

I don't have that much of a problem with this as a standalone rule, but you're right, do the 'bigger clubs' really need more on top of what they're getting. This could be used much better

• Super League clubs have committed to using only 55 per cent of their revenues on “sport spending”, such as player salaries, transfer and agent fees, according to people familiar with the terms

Good. But only if some of the remaining 45% is earmarked for improvement of local neighbourhoods and youth development. If it all goes to the owners, they can feck off.

Agree. But like you say, it's very important to see where the rest goes. I suspect we already know.

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The prize money ratio is the same in the PL the winners win 1.5 times the bottom club

 

[SuperiorXI]

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Yes! fecking get at them lads

 

[Random Task]

“Let’s wear T-shirt’s that say we’re not happy”

Or, better yet, refuse to play for their clubs until they reverse the decision to join the league?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Likes to follow women into bathrooms.

Wasn't that Martin Edwards?

 

[cyberman]

Perez has a reason to lie, he can't just say, oh if it gets too hot to handle some clubs can walk out, no hard feelings. Lee doesn't.

He wouldn't answer it at all? Even the leaks have said its binding. It just seems like wishful thinking. Why bother having a contract in the first place if City can just say no? It would need to be water tight with the shitstorm they knew this would bring

 

[Lyricist]

Feel free to believe that.

I'll happily believe in the good of the players until I'm proven wrong, instead of coming in here with supposedly witty 1-liners, shitting on those players, that are actively trying to make a change.

 

[Berbaclass]

Or, better yet, refuse to play for their clubs until they reverse the decision to join the league?

They won’t. They don’t refuse to play for racism I doubt they’d do it to protect Sky and the PL’s pockets.

 

[Random Task]

I'll happily believe in the good of the players until I'm proven wrong, instead of coming in here with supposedly witty 1-liners, shitting on those players, that are actively trying to make a change.

Well said.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

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[Zlatan 7]

A meeting with a collective IQ of about 50.

I don’t give a feck what their IQ is if they decide to boycott this stupid idea

 

[Saphan]

Because of the draft though no?

Welly yeah, mainly because of the draft. But in ESL what incentive would most teams have to fight it out whole season, when you can't get relagated and only 1st place matters?

 

[charlenefan]

Starting to look a lot like we'll be the last ones standing from England in this, and while kicking 6 teams out of the PL might not be on the table kicking 1 out may well be

 

[GhastlyHun]

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Imagine the players going on strike! Ah, such potential for delicious drama

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

I'm exactly the same mate.

I'm only 32 and it feels like I'm in a different world, people who only watch the last 15 minutes of matches, support individual players instead of teams etc.

It's depressing and disgraceful.

Becoming more and more atomized as a society.

 

[Berbaclass]

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So they can’t/don’t want to expel the teams then.

 

[Mike Smalling]

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This whole situation has made me gain respect for Guardiola and Jordan Henderson. F*cking Glazers and Perez.

 

[JPRouve]

It’s lucrative/very valuable for their sportswashing operation.

It's interesting that a capitalistic and very aggressive strategy is reduced to sportswashing.

 

[villain]

Remember the original Tory party was the party of the Corn Laws, a law designed to fix the price of grain. The conservative party also took the UK into the EU's predecessor the EEC which is a high tariff border closed market system. They will have no problems coming up with any kind of law which restricts the free market as long as it keeps them in power.

Very good point, lying is also a big part of their philosophy.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If Boris forces the Glazers out I’m voting Tory. Actually even saying that in jest makes me feel ill...

There you go, @Pexbo. Turns out it wasn’t actually identity politics that was the final piece of the jigsaw in the Tory master plan....

 

[stevoc]

Haven't seen anything on that, but there's an interesting Daniel Taylor piece where he talks about Fergie's complicity in the Glazer ownership. Taylor says:

"The Glazers are no longer just a Manchester United problem. They are now a problem for the whole of football."

That's the thing with poisonous scum..

I assume he's said the same of City's owners?

 

[Zlatan 7]

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