European Super League

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Yes, finally. Well done, Rashford and his PR team.

Yup. The more players - well, 'players' - that speak up the better. A strong coalition of players and managers will be the fastest way to end this.

Unfortunately, the PR industry is frighteningly risk adverse. Despite it being a slam dunk profile boost, with 95% of the country on your side, I've literally sat through two days of repetitive meetings on the pros/cons of speaking about it on social media on the behalf of players.

Seems like Roc are as risk adverse as the rest of us - for now at least - and decided that a slightly vague picture about fans is safer than an actual statement or anything that namechecks the league.

 

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[JPRouve]

I don't watch the NBA, so inclined to look at the sport I do watch which is baseball.

Baseball is totally different and I wouldn't have made the point that I made about NBA for Baseball. In Baseball teams genuinely tank and tank really hard, for example Baltimore recently. In the NBA it happens but you can't say that it's 15 teams it's 2 or 3 teams out of 30 at the most, for example the Timberwoves aren't tanking, KAT requires surgery but he is still playing big minutes, if the Wolves wanted to tank they could take him out and guarantee to finish last. In the NFL tanking is nearly impossible because players can't half arse it, some teams are simply very bad but the players try hard and you seldomly see lineups that don't feature the best players.

 

[GhastlyHun]

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Now that's more like it, after Rummenigge's initial so-so statement. "Bayern say no to Super League"

 

[Tom Cato]

For United specifically as they are a publicly traded company, the manager/players would not be able to be told about things that might have an impact on the share price before anyone else. Happens all the time where I work, we find out the same time as everyone else what has been done.

The manager can probably be considered a sufficiently integral part of the company that he CAN be told before any pubic announcement is made. Insider trading legislation is there to ensure that outside parties do not trade on undisclosed information prior to it being known, information such as a new superleague. As long as Ole does not actively shop or sell shares of related companies prior to the news being broken, he can absolutely know what's going on.

The reason Ed was being such a snake about this one is unquestionably because the clubs KNOW that they have no public favor here, and they are trying to control the flow of information as much as they can. Its the same reason they are refusing to speak to the press, because they know that any encouner with the public will not be a favorable one.

This is by far and beyond the dirties deal in football, and that includes every single transaction Sepp Blatter ever did.

 

[SuperiorXI]

No chance it's going ahead now

 

[villain]

I think you're completely missing the point I'm making.

I know what they have to do.

This is about what they should do in order to gain support. By not doing that theyve completely shot themselves in the foot and probably tripled the amount of backlash they'd have otherwise received. People are angry that these decisions have been made that effects so many people, without any one knowing. The people that matter, not knowing.

And I understand that, but I think they are banking on power & money being the main driving force here to push their agenda.
Like I said earlier, they're hoping to ride this wave of disapproval, nothing will happen to them this season (in terms of being kicked out of competitions) and through discussions in the coming weeks, I think stances on both sides will soften and the initial 'rules' will have changed and a compromise found.
Or, it won't go ahead at all, and it will be 'forgotten' (in the same way stuff like Juve's match fixing has been 'forgotten' i.e. not not really forgotten and it tarnishes the legacy, but ultimately we've all moved on)

 

[AshRK]

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[Berbaclass]

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Now that's more like it, after Rummenigge's initial so-so statement. "Bayern say no to Super League"

What does it say “We’re more than happy with the domestic monopoly that we’ve cultivated”

 

[The Purley King]

People still believe the share price malarkey? I thought that had been debunked already?
They're all businesses aiming to make profit - they can do what they want, it would just be nice if they did it nicely & with transparency, they just don't have to.

Its the rules of the stock exchange in both the UK and the US - its not "malarkey".
They cannot be transparent with things like this until it happens.
For privately owned clubs like Chelsea and City, they can do what they want.

 

[SirScholes]

It's almost like Spurs getting to a champions League final less than 2 years ago didn't happen for you isn't it. I absolutely hate this SL idea but to say Spurs would never be able to win it is bollocks, especially with the money we would get.

Did you win the final?
every now and again a miracle happens but that’s all it was haha
It’s Only Spurs

 

[GDaly95]

I think the players are going to come out in unison opposing this.

Just a feeling.

 

[hungrywing]

They are the Empire, not the Rebellion.

Tell me they did not just try to co-opt Star Wars.

 

[horsechoker]

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Can they do anything not to deal with chairmen on the big 6?

Not as far as I can see, perhaps they could refuse to do business with them but I doubt they'd have the resolve.

 

[Berbaclass]

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Messi wouldn’t play for River.

 

[Berbaclass]

No chance it's going ahead now

What because of that silly cnut?

 

[JPRouve]

Messi wouldn’t play for River.

Newell's Old Boys would be his choice if he is true to his words.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I do not like the Premier League using the fans distaste for the ESL to try and make out that fans all love them and think they have done a wonderful job.

The clubs deserve condemntation but UEFA and the Premier League have brought this on themselves by allowing oil money to utterly destabilise football. I wonder if the subscriptions that they gained from "Aguueeerrooooo" were worth it.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

I've heard that all the other PL teams have condemned the proposal, but to be honest I think they're only upset cause they're not included.
Are we assuming that the other teams are more moral than us, when in reality they'd love to be included in the proposal?
The premier league is rank with greed top to bottom.

One solution.....revolution.

 

[horsechoker]

I think the players are going to come out in unison opposing this.

Just a feeling.

I hope so, the players have the most power here but would they be do bold?

I bet some would gladly give up international football and Champions league for more money

 

[Berbaclass]

Newell's Old Boys would be his choice if he is true to his words.

Exactly.

 

[FrankDrebin]

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Legit ?

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Zlatan

 

[Freak]

Can they do anything not to deal with chairmen on the big 6?

Not as far as I can see, perhaps they could refuse to do business with them but I doubt they'd have the resolve.

Would be great if the government gets involved and put it some laws giving control back to fans of all clubs. Meaning any decisions regarding the club needs to get approval from fans.

 

[VojjE]

ZLATAN TWEET

Yeah I'd like a source on this. Zlatan isn't the most popular guy in Malmö anymore since his business dealings with Hammarby.

 

[Lewnited]

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Where is this quote from? Very good to see if real.

 

[JustinC00]

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It's all well and good to make tweets like this but let's see him refuse to take the pitch Sunday in protest of this.

 

[villain]

Its the rules of the stock exchange in both the UK and the US - its not "malarkey".
They cannot be transparent with things like this until it happens.
For privately owned clubs like Chelsea and City, they can do what they want.

But that wouldn't affect employees like the manager or the players, only other chairmen & board members. It appears as though the owners of the club have been aware of this, only the employees & fans who have been left in the dark. Which is not dissimilar to other companies on the stock exchange.

 

[Berbaclass]

Yeah I'd like a source on this. Zlatan isn't the most popular guy in Malmö anymore since his business dealings with Hammarby.

Didn’t they behead his statue?

 

[FrankDrebin]

For the fans, played by the players. The players have power.

 

[bsCallout]

For United specifically as they are a publicly traded company, the manager/players would not be able to be told about things that might have an impact on the share price before anyone else. Happens all the time where I work, we find out the same time as everyone else what has been done.

Is that true even where by getting consumer opinion for example would be important in the decision making process?

 

[Gasolin]

Can they do anything not to deal with chairmen on the big 6?

Not as far as I can see, perhaps they could refuse to do business with them but I doubt they'd have the resolve.

Maybe learn something from the Americans and force the owners to sell?

 

[bsCallout]

And I understand that, but I think they are banking on power & money being the main driving force here to push their agenda.
Like I said earlier, they're hoping to ride this wave of disapproval, nothing will happen to them this season (in terms of being kicked out of competitions) and through discussions in the coming weeks, I think stances on both sides will soften and the initial 'rules' will have changed and a compromise found.
Or, it won't go ahead at all, and it will be 'forgotten' (in the same way stuff like Juve's match fixing has been 'forgotten' i.e. not not really forgotten and it tarnishes the legacy, but ultimately we've all moved on)

I completely agree with that. I think they've just made a complete mess of this and may actually be stopped due to such strong backlash.

 

[SuperiorXI]

What because of that silly cnut?

Was joke

 

[Berbaclass]

Notice how they didn’t say they wouldn’t want to be involved

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[Relevated]

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MY (former) STRIKER!

 

[acnumber9]

That isn't what I said. My point is that their history (especially in Europe) is no more illustrious than a lot of other clubs. I disagree that a side who haven't won the title in 15 years, and who can't regularly regularly make the Champions League deserve a guaranteed place at the top European Competition, in perpetuity, simply because they are rich.

Neither Arsenal, (or Spurs for that matter) are part of "Europe's elite" either on the basis of history, or current performance. It is all about the fact that they are well placed financially, and that's what makes a mockery of this. It's about nothing more than people who don't understand the game, wanting to create a closed shop

Do you think they deserve a place over other European clubs? What about Benfica, or Ajax?

I don’t think anyone deserves a guaranteed place in any competition. This competition isn’t about earning a right to be in it. It’s about what the ‘founders’ believe will earn them the most money. In that case, Arsenal are more appropriate for it than Everton, Villa, Forest, Benfica or even Ajax. Nobody should be surprised about the clubs that have been selected based on what this whole thing is all about. Money.

 

[Berbaclass]

Was joke

Fair enough

 

[Oldyella]

It would be interesting to see what would happen to any club that accepts one of the 5 floating league places. I'm sure leagues will quickly creates rules saying anyone who accepts faces points or financial penalties. If you are an Ajax or Everton do you accept a year at the trough only to come back to severe penalties from your local league?

 

[VorZakone]

I was gonna say this. The first time I heard of the notion of "tanking", I was incredulous. Teams actually get rewarded for serving up shit for their fans with their choice of draft picks and future superstars.

When losing brings its own rewards, what's even the point of the competition?

I never heard about that. And Americans love it?