Why are English sides dominating in Europe?

[sglowrider]

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Dominating this one year. Like La Liga did for ages? Great question

 

[Zooka]

Basically Messi and Ronaldo being mortal again. Also their super teams declining as they were a big attraction to other world class players in joining their team in the first place.

 

[The Oracle]

A lot of it comes down to money, and the Premier League is where all the money is at.

 

[ReallyUSA]

Money. Lots and lots of money.

 

[Wumminator]

Yeah it’s all money.

 

[Jorsett]

Good managers and crazy amounts of money

 

[Wolf1992]

Short answer : Money

 

[el3mel]

Best players. Best managers. Most money. Pretty easy answer really.

 

[hmchan]

Money is definitely one of the reasons but this doesn't explain the dominance. Madrid and Barca have also spent quite a lot over the past few years but most of their signings fail, and they are still relying on their overrated so-called star players who have past their best. I really hope English sides could maintain this dominance like La Liga did.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Best players and best managers. With Madrid Barcelona Juve and Psg all making bad signings

 

[RedRonaldo]

Dominating this one year. Like La Liga did for ages? Great question

To be fair PL teams had dominated Europe the year before too, so it’s 2 times in last 3 years.

 

[RedRonaldo]

1. Money (hence better players)
2. Best managers
3. Decline of super teams in La Liga (Barca/Real)

 

[DWelbz19]

mo money mo problems

 

[Ludens the Red]

Money and managers plays a part but the decline of Barca, Atletico, Real and Juve has played a part. For all this dominant talk, the most dominant team in the PL over the last four years only just made it to their first final and couldn’t even get to a semi in their previous four seasons.

The Europa league performances of English clubs has improved massively because you can now get into the CL via it. With no space to fit everyone via league positions, even a mediocre team like Arsenal have made it to a semi final and final.

 

[ivaldo]

Dominating this one year. Like La Liga did for ages? Great question

It's 7 finalists in the least 3 years. England is also now top of the coefficient ratings. So I don't think it's unreasonable to say England is currently dominating.

 

[UpWithRivers]

It has a lot to do with competition I think. The money has trickled down and the rest of the teams in the Prem and even Championship and slowly lower leagues have stepped up levels. Its a tough league and that level of competition forces standards to rise. You have to perform week in week out and you have to face top teams with different styles. You can have teams like Villa with world class player in Grealish for example these days and they are not forced to sell their top players. Compare that with PSG or Bayern who really have no competition except in freak years and Spain/La Liga has more competition but really not at the level of the Prem.
Its basically money but not just for the top teams but the rest of the league as well.

 

[11101]

Neville is wrong about it being purely down to the managers. It's the money. The money was misspent 2013-2017 but the current managers spending it properly doesn't mean the success is no longer down to money.

There is also the decline of Madrid and Barcelona. Let's not pretend La Liga was a superior league, take those two out and the league would have been right down there with the PL in our worst periods.

 

[Bwuk]

The standard of football around Europe has dropped massively.

Barca, Madrid have declined a lot. Madrid with peak BBC, Barca at the turn of the decade, these sides would walk over the top European sides atm.

This City side that will win it aren’t even that great. They aren’t the best side City have had in the last few year either.

 

[RUCK4444]

Why is this always a question no matter which nation are ‘dominating’ ?

We are talking about knockout competitions.

That said most of the big clubs in Europe have dropped off this year, which the likes of Chelsea have definitely benefited from in the CL.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's 7 finalists in the least 3 years. England is also now top of the coefficient ratings. So I don't think it's unreasonable to say England is currently dominating.

1 CL winner since Chelsea in ... 2013?!

Dominating is when you do it 3-4 years minimum. This is Liverpools standard of PL domination

 

[ivaldo]

1 CL winner since Chelsea in ... 2013?!

Dominating is when you do it 3-4 years minimum. This is Liverpools standard of PL domination

2 winners in 3 years in the CL. It's going to be 3 in 5 in Europa league. Top of the coefficient rankings with a growing lead. That's dominance in Europe. And it's not just who ends up winning it, it's how late all the other teams go into the competition. It's not surprising to see EPL teams do significantly better than their counterparts here either.

 

[Matt007a]

These things go in cycles. Madrid and Barca are both in a phase of rebuild and we've got probably the best 2 managers in the world at two of our top teams right now. Money then blows most of the other teams away. Bayern are the only side who can match our top teams currently.

Give it a few years and it'll change again. Klopp and Pep might move on and both clubs will have ageing squads. Madrid and Barca will have rebuilt and Spain will dominate for a few years.

 

[Lay]

Aside from Bayern, the rest of Europe is levels below where they should be.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Having successfully thrown off the shackles of FFP the era of petrochemical domination is in full flow*. Oil billions not only fund bloated and insanely expensive squads for the chosen teams they also inflate the market so much it bankrupts everyone who tries to take them on. Win win for the billionaires and their football club penis extensions.

*Plus Klopp is one of the best managers ever.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Money.Money always gets the ball rolling.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Having successfully thrown off the shackles of FFP the era of petrochemical domination is in full flow*. Oil billions not only fund bloated and insanely expensive squads for the chosen teams they also inflate the market so much it bankrupts everyone who tries to take them on. Win win for the billionaires and their football club penis extensions.

*Plus Klopp is one of the best managers ever.

You mean Pep?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

2 winners in 3 years in the CL. It's going to be 3 in 5 in Europa league. Top of the coefficient rankings with a growing lead. That's dominance in Europe. And it's not just who ends up winning it, it's how late all the other teams go into the competition. It's not surprising to see EPL teams do significantly better than their counterparts here either.

Spain has won 5 in the last 8 or something? That's why we should calm down a tad.

I think a dominance could be starting. Reasons - lots of money being coupled with good coaching.

 

[Withnail]

Neville is wrong about it being purely down to the managers. It's the money. The money was misspent 2013-2017 but the current managers spending it properly doesn't mean the success is no longer down to money.

There is also the decline of Madrid and Barcelona. Let's not pretend La Liga was a superior league, take those two out and the league would have been right down there with the PL in our worst periods.

That's not exactly what he said.

The point was the money isn't enough. If your manager and your recruitment is poor you won't have success.

 

[pacifictheme]

Dominating this one year. Like La Liga did for ages? Great question

7 of the last 12 european finalists have been English so it's a bit more than one year to be fair. Not sure barca or real will challenge next year either.

 

[11101]

That's not exactly what he said.

The point was the money isn't enough. If your manager and your recruitment is poor you won't have success.

The money brings the manager though. Do you think Guardiola would have gone to City if he didn't have a blank cheque book and an extra salary going into a slush fund account in god knows where?

 

[Zen86]

That's not exactly what he said.

The point was the money isn't enough. If your manager and your recruitment is poor you won't have success.

Money isn't enough no, but it's the single biggest influencing factor in achieving success. By far.

Of course Mourinho and Woodward have done their best to buck that trend

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You mean Pep?

“One of”

 

[ivaldo]

Spain has won 5 in the last 8 or something? That's why we should calm down a tad.

I think a dominance could be starting. Reasons - lots of money being coupled with good coaching.

I don't think anyone is getting ahead of themselves. As things stand, the EPL is dominating in Europe.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I don't think anyone is getting ahead of themselves. As things stand, the EPL is dominating in Europe.

As as things stood last year Germany was?

Anyhoo, I think there's a difference between starting to become the dominant force and dominating. Just like Livepool weren't the dominant team on European because they won 1 EPl and made 2 CL finals. If this is domination I don't know what to call what Spanish football did between 09 and 2020. Need a new word for it perhaps.

 

[rimaldo]

two words, one syllable: brexit

 

[Withnail]

The money brings the manager though. Do you think Guardiola would have gone to City if he didn't have a blank cheque book and an extra salary going into a slush fund account in god knows where?

Again you're missing the point.

The money's been there the whole time but the PL were nowhere in Europe between 2013 -2017 because the managers weren't as good.

 

[Withnail]

Money isn't enough no, but it's the single biggest influencing factor in achieving success. By far.

Of course Mourinho and Woodward have done their best to buck that trend

That's kind of the point being made.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Again you're missing the point.

The money's been there the whole time but the PL were nowhere in Europe between 2013 -2017 because the managers weren't as good.

That poster is saying it's not purely down to the managers not that it is absolutely not down to the managers. He's right that money is a pre-quisite and England always hard absurd amounts of it but didn't manage to gel it for awhile with quality coaching/running of clubs. That's changing now. Plus of course Europe's giants are a bit weak right now so it's opened up a vaccum for no so great English sides like Chelsea to make their mark.

 

[11101]

Again you're missing the point.

The money's been there the whole time but the PL were nowhere in Europe between 2013 -2017 because the managers weren't as good.

They were building things up and moving on the right trajectory. Nobody gets it right first time. The spine of City's team was brought in during that period, it just needed finishing touches made. All down to the money, though.

Plus, the money spent literally doubling in the most recent timeframe is not something to be ignored.