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I am sure it would be but it wouldn’t be very good for us.35m would be a very good price for Neves.
I am sure it would be but it wouldn’t be very good for us.35m would be a very good price for Neves.
Did he? Stats aren't everything but he had comfortably the most touches/passes in midfield on Sunday.Got dominated by a midfield of Matic and Van der Beek, yet people want us to sign him?
He has a hail mary long shot in him once every season and people think he's class he's basically a Portuguese Darron Gibson.
No, people just follow the flow, one guy says he is slower than Matic, now everyone is repeating the same.Haven't really watched him in years. Is he really as immobile as some are saying?
Fred has loads of touches, its what you do with them that countsDid he? Stats aren't everything but he had comfortably the most touches/passes in midfield on Sunday.
Well that was because in the 2nd half the team got tired and they just kept recycling possession. He did sod all though apart from some sideways passing, doesn't mean he played well.Did he? Stats aren't everything but he had comfortably the most touches/passes in midfield on Sunday.
He's nothing like Pogba so it would be a very weird replacement.He'd be a target if we are looking for a Pogba replacement.
Your DM has to be a very good passer at the highest level.Definitely not what we need atm. We already have the creative mids, we need a mobile defensive shield to complement them.
It also depends on your team mates. I can't say I've seen a lot of him to be honest but we need better passers in midfield to progress. If not him, then a similar type.Well that was because in the 2nd half the team got tired and they just kept recycling possession. He did sod all though apart from some sideways passing, doesn't mean he played well.
First half when everybody was fresh, Mata, DVB and Matic were dancing around them. Amad left him for dead a few times.
He does but for a team with our counter attacking playstyle he also needs to be a mobile. It's a must. Otherwise might as well just play Matic.Your DM has to be a very good passer at the highest level.
We are primarily a possession based side or at least try to be. We only play strick counter attacking football in about 20% of our games.He does but for a team with our counter attacking playstyle he also needs to be a mobile. It's a must. Otherwise might as well just play Matic.
No. We need a good all-rounder to complement them, basically an upgrade on McTominay. Neves is absolutely the right type of player.Definitely not what we need atm. We already have the creative mids, we need a mobile defensive shield to complement them.
Yep. I think the myth we're a counter attacking should be dead by now.We are primarily a possession based side or at least try to be. We only play strick counter attacking football in about 20% of our games.
Actually, I don't think that's a fair description. I would rather say he's a well-balanced player, with skills as notable in transition, pressing and defence as in the attack.We play counter attacking football and our #6 and #8 need to be players who are quick in transition and good at pressing. He's neither. He's a good passer, crosser and shooter but he's slow and games pass him by. Decent player for someone, but not for us.
Couldn't disagree more. Fernandes, Rashfrord, Pogba, Fred, McTominay are all players that are direct and much better in transition and than they are in possession. I'm not sure how we're trying to be a position based side with a team like this. Our possession based players (Mata, Matic, VdB) are all bench warmers.We are primarily a possession based side or at least try to be.
Does he have to be like Pogba ? Pogba plays as the deep lying playmaker at the double pivot because of his passing range. If we sell Pogba and still want that deep playmaking at the double pivot Neves would be a targetHe's nothing like Pogba so it would be a very weird replacement.
This. Well said he is Everton good not trying to close the gap on Man city good.I like Fred over Neves. I don’t care what people think about me for saying that.
The way people talk about our players like they are championship level is just weird.
Neves has nothing more than a passing ability - not one where he can dictate the tempo of a top team.
That only happened for a few months during Mourinhos reign to terrible effects. Never at Juve, France or United under Ole, has Pogba been a DLM in a double pivot. Just hasn't.Does he have to be like Pogba ? Pogba plays as the deep lying playmaker at the double pivot because of his passing range. If we sell Pogba and still want that deep playmaking at the double pivot Neves would be a target
He has. Im not even going to argue thisThat only happened for a few months during Mourinhos reign to terrible effects. Never at Juve, France or United under Ole, has Pogba been a DLM in a double pivot. Just hasn't.
They are better in transition, especially Fernandes and Fred who's short passing games are awful. But we are a possession based side (albeit a terrible one for the reasons you mentioned).Couldn't disagree more. Fernandes, Rashfrord, Pogba, Fred, McTominay are all players that are direct and much better in transition and than they are in possession. I'm not sure how we're trying to be a position based side with a team like this. Our possession based players (Mata, Matic, VdB) are all bench warmers.
"I'm right and I can't even offer examples but I won't bother arguing with you"He has. Im not even going to argue this
This might be for another thread but I would love to understand what you think is a possession-based side and how we're it. Because I just don't see it.They are better in transition, especially Fernandes and Fred who's short passing games are awful. But we are a possession based side (albeit a terrible one).
Got smashed by Amad.Couldn't overrun a midfield pairing of Matic and vdb, I'll pass.
A possession based side doesn't mean necessarily mean Barca or a side that plays positional game like LVGs. It just means a side that looks to dominate the game and break down a lower block defense. That's what we try to do in 80% of our games. Counter attacking is hardly a primary tactic. Unless we are facing the top sides we don't cede territory. Every team counter attacks when the opportunity presents itself. City are very good counter attacking side for example but it's not a primary tactic.This might be for another thread but I would love to understand what you think is a possession-based side and how we're it. Because I just don't see it.
"We want to be a team that can go and dominate teams and break teams down," the Norwegian said, as quoted by Goal. "It's taken Liverpool a few years to get to that place and we need to keep on building because that's where we want to get to.
"Yes, we're good at counter-attacking, yes, we've got pace, fast players, we should always keep that because that's in our transition. Now we need to be better at breaking lower blocks.
I don't think that's what we're looking for, or should be looking for. Bruno has never played in the pivot and never will either, and all indications are Pogba's future isn't there either, for the most part. Effectively, our pivot first choice is Fred and McTominay, and the pivot clearly has a two-way function as a unit, rather than consisting of one defensive and one offensive player. In that context, Neves is an interesting option.If we are looking for that one defensive mid who can partner Pogba and Bruno in the mid, Neves is not an option. And, I honestly believe such a DM doesn't exist.
I really like Neves a few years back; he can pass the ball well, score a worldie, and is very good at free-kicks and corners. For some reason, he hasn't really got himself up to another level yet, but I do think he has got that level in him. To me, he is really good at shielding the defence, playing first time passes, reading the game, and generally keeping possession. And, I like his mentality.
I think we should consider him:
Neves - Fred
Bruno
I think that mid-field will work well against most of the teams. If we can't get him, then we should put all our efforts to get Tchouaméni.
Not sure how he got dominated in midfield if he had the most touches in the game? Problem was that Wolves have absolutely no cutting edge, especially once Adama came off. They didn't even have Pedro Neto at least. Can't blame Ruben Neves for that.Got dominated by a midfield of Matic and Van der Beek, yet people want us to sign him?
He has a hail mary long shot in him once every season and people think he's class he's basically a Portuguese Darron Gibson.
He is slower than Fred and McT though. Immobile too. Read the wolves forums.No, people just follow the flow, one guy says he is slower than Matic, now everyone is repeating the same.
Let's not be ridiculous here. Neves is clearly a quality player.Got dominated by a midfield of Matic and Van der Beek, yet people want us to sign him?
He has a hail mary long shot in him once every season and people think he's class he's basically a Portuguese Darron Gibson.