[Pretzels81]

Are we discounting the 120 minutes leading up to the penalty shootout?

Emery isn't exactly a mediocre manager. 1-1 vs the King of the EL is not a failure.

Make no mistake, I'd swap Ole for Zidane tomorrow, but DDG let us all down tonight. 11 penalties...Lord.

 

[Raveneye]

Agree this game's loss was on Ole for not making the subs till they were too late, and he should be rightly criticized for that. But he's not going anywhere. 2nd in the league and a Europa Cup Final is still season on season progress, whatever we feel like today. If Ole still has the dressing room, he's the manager next season.

 

[Dobba]

Nope my friends and I actually watched mctom the whole game specifically because we told another friend that he deserves his place. Yet he proved us wrong. Constantly held onto the ball too long, kept running it into nowhere and lost the ball, didn't produce any good forward passes. In fact he didn't do anything positive. And I actually like him. But as a cm he was rubbish

Again, are you confusing him with Bruno?

 

[Waynne]

Final game of the season.. and every issues weve had in 20/21 was blaring. We need to improve set pieces. We need to move on degea because hes spineless. We need more quality.. and we need more tactical set ups against parked busses

Can buy all the quality you want but if you have a manager that refuses to make a change and instead let his players run out of gas then you'll always fail.

We're not winning anything with this manager. Get in a competent manager and then we can address the other problem of investment in the squad.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

The semi was the same though. There’s no way we should have lost that game but we did. That’s the point I was making.

Oddly enough the same defensive calamity cost us a crucial goal. The CB situation is dire

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Ole lost the final, our team is 10xtimes better than Villareal's. Would have been a comfortable win with a proper manager.

 

[Garethw]

He's not bulletproof.

But I don't fecking call for his job every time we lose.

Get over it. We lost. But this is not on Ole.

We lost on Pens.

If we'd won.

NO ONE WOULD GIVE A SINGLE FECK.

Give fecking over it will you, Ole is our manager and he is here to stay. We're moving in the right direction.

This is 100% on Ole!

Losing a European cup final in the most cowardly way possible is not moving in the right bloody direction!

 

[Redlyn]

And you sound like a WUM. They won the shootout lottery, which was the only way they were gonna win this match after parking the bus for most of it. No way did they deserve the win.

They totally deserved their win. We had more possession but didn't break them and couldnt defend their set piece while the defended ours all night. Didn't create that many clear chances. Couldn't match them in the spot kick. Absent in extra time. Totally deserved.

 

[hobbers]

Were you saying that in the run up to the final? Because I thought we handled each team pretty well. If that was a two legged final.. we win it but that’s football

Oh we do fine in early stages of cup competitions. Totally meaningless if you choke at the end of them all.

We nearly choked a massive lead in the second tie against Roma.

 

[devilish]

We don't need it, according to this forum tonight. Get Poch in and we'll win the league with Dan James on the left and Amad Diallo on the right. Rashford's done so he won't be playing and the current manager is wasting Greenwood on the right, but he'll see sense and go with those two.


Is the gotcha here that you'd take the manager but only 2 players from the best English side he's managed?


So the team was both good enough to win the game and needed 5 subs to help them get through extra time, having not won the game.


Not sure how you can go for the win more than playing all 5 of our senior "flair" players at the same time, to be honest. If going for the win is bringing on Amad Diallo with 30 minutes to play, fair play.

I don't really give a feck about Spurs. We lost against a team whom whom talent wise is inferior to us across the pitch. This is not the first time we bottled it under Ole. Tactically wise we are all over the place

 

[The Hilton]

They totally deserved their win. We had more possession but didn't break them and couldnt defend their set piece while the defended ours all night. Didn't create that many clear chances. Couldn't match them in the spot kick. Absent in extra time. Totally deserved.

Obvious wind up is obvious.

 

[Dobba]

This is 100% on Ole!

Losing a European cup final in the most cowardly way possible is not moving in the right bloody direction!

Sorry, the most cowardly way possible is starting Pogba, Rashford, Cavani, Bruno and Greenwood? What's the bravest way with our squad then?

 

[Tincanalley]

Nah man! he needs to be burying that.

No way is he offside. Open goal. But what a awful display, Decision-making abysmal, positioning shocking. He was wandering about like he was in a dream, back from offside - never looked remotely sharp or interested

 

[RedorDead21]

Ole is a superb man manager but his tactically weak. He cannot keep expecting individual players to constantly bail him out

Nah he was an odd choice but for me has actually steered us on a positive path but after several semi final defeats and now today is perhaps coming to the end of his time at the helm. His buys have certainly been an improvement on what’s gone on before but he really couldn’t afford to waste any chunk of cash on a player who didn’t work out. It happened and today his bench was a lot poorer because of it...

 

[Garethw]

Sorry, the most cowardly way possible is starting Pogba, Rashford, Cavani, Bruno and Greenwood? What's the bravest way with our squad then?

Giving up on Extra Time and playing for penalties was horrendously cowardly!!

 

[Inigo Montoya]

No were not. He was awful all season when he played, got dropped, then all of a sudden injured in training so misses the rest of the season.

Point is, there’s quality there to make a difference. Rashford is our leading scorer but was so poor in just about every department. Only once trying to take in the defence. Whether Martial could do it is neither here or there, we never had the option. Maybe Amad should have been thrown in...

 

[Dobba]

I don't really give a feck about Spurs. We lost against a team whom whom talent wise is inferior to us across the pitch. This is not the first time we bottled it under Ole. Tactically wise we are all over the place

Seems odd to "not give a feck about Spurs" when you want a manager based on his time spent there. Because it can't be based on his time at PSG or losing "against a team whom talent wise is inferior across the pitch" would be an even odder argument for you to make.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Ole lost the final, our team is 10xtimes better than Villareal's. Would have been a comfortable win with a proper manager.

I can't tell sarcasm anymore

 

[Lay]

Said it for years. DDG is done.

 

[Bullhitter]

Stand corrected if it just wasn't caught on the angles shown but didn't really look like anyone from United were to be seen when VIllarreal were getting their medals and trophy. If that's the case very poor.

Most of the players looked like petulant children getting their medals too. All led by the captain and most followed suit.

 

[Tincanalley]

Stats! Haha. God, the state of this place! Night all.

 

[Crimson King]

I honestly think it's the former. Our bench tonight was very average. The squad needs more depth.

The team that started should have been enough to beat Villarreal though.

They parked the bus, and we've been notoriously shit at breaking teams down all season. It wasn't a suprise that's what Emery went with.

I dunno... It just feels like we don't really have a style, just hope that one of our big guns can do the business. Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all a let down. Ole didn't know what to change to try and get a tune from them...

I love Ole, and always will, and he's done a good job at restoring team spirit after Mourinho. I just don't think he has that winning mentality as a manager. Fergie, Pep, Klopp, even bloody Conte! Their own force of will seems to drive their teams on half the time.

We'll always be stunted by the Glazers leaching from the club, but this team should still do better.

Feel very dejected tonight. A resounding win might have made me reconsider my opinion and feel more optimistic, but I can't really say I'm surprised with how it played out. It just felt like the kind of thing this team does.

 

[mancan92]

Was he though? It was a penalty shootout which they played for. We just weren’t good enough. Nothing to do with being out managed

What are you on about. Emery made subs and tactical changes which meant that his team became solid again and we no longer created any chances. He then saw his team were tired and made changes which meant in extra time they were fresh and better than us. He clearly had his team spirit of the players going did you not see how together they were before the penalties and extra time? They had all the belief in the world yet. He actively influenced the result. Ole just watched it.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Nah man! he needs to be burying that.

Not him stupid! Bruno was offside

 

[MattyB1986]

No way is he offside. Open goal. But what a awful display, Decision-making abysmal, positioning shocking. He was wandering about like he was in a dream, back from offside - never looked remotely sharp or interested

Right! How can it be on Ole when your forward misses chances like that? he should have been taken off, that's the point I agree is on the manager, granted.

 

[Tincanalley]

As bad as it feels right now, we have made progress this season. We must have a good transfer window. Achieve that and we can challenge next season. It's a massive summer ahead.

I agree with you SPSL

 

[Dobba]

Giving up on Extra Time and playing for penalties was horrendously cowardly!!

So, again, what's the brave way? Chucking on a kid who before the Wolves game had about as much first team experience as Ali Dia?

 

[bsCallout]

Emery sure loves the Europa, comfortably won against Liverpool in 2016. If I'm not mistaken that Liverpool team have done alright since then.

Big window coming up. Silverware required next season

 

[mancan92]

Are you serious? He was easily the best player on the park tonight, proper driving force through midfield.

Driving and giving it away. He definitely tried to run with the ball but to no where land.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

What are you on about. Emery made subs and tactical changes which meant that his team became solid again and we no longer created any chances. He then saw his team were tired and made changes which meant in extra time they were fresh and better than us. He clearly had his team spirit of the players going did you not see how together they were before the penalties and extra time? They had all the belief in the world yet. He actively influenced the result. Ole just watched it.

I’m not sure what you’re on about. I saw the same team spirit with ours. A goal keeper miss after 10 penalties scored and all of a sudden they had better spirit. It’s funny what people read into it.

 

[hobbers]

So the team was both good enough to win the game and needed 5 subs to help them get through extra time, having not won the game.

This sort of logic is probably why Ole is so crap at managing finals.

The game isn't won or lost at kick off. It's not a football manager sim.

We were on top after scoring. They made changes. We didn't.

We petered out in 90 minutes. Still didn't make changes.

We went into ET with zero interest in even taking the ball into their half. With players who could barely move and some who had been having an absolute mare for the entire game.

You know even City make subs, right?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

As usual we struggled against the low block. We had almost no creativity in getting through their lines and when our players made runs in behind, no one gambled and tried to find them. We played it safe from the beginning. No one looked sharp. Almost no attacking threat from either wing, starting with the fullbacks, who were both poor. Pains me to say it but we probably should have started with McFred. Pogba doesn't historically flourish in a midfield 2, and tonight was no exception. Our approach play was non-existent. What is crossing? What is a triangle? What is a 1-2 pass? No one knows.

Aside from that, our strongest available team started. Options off the bench included zero game changers. Shoulda coulda woulda but maybe saving Greenwood for the 60th minute would have injected some pace, some attacking threat when they were tired. Ole should have gone for broke in regular time. VDB, Matic, Mata were options, none of them game-winners on their own, but Ole should have changed the plan, change the tactics, effing gone for it.

Our subs took their pens well, and our 2nd set of 5 takers - the ones who don't want to take a pen - did well, except for DeGea obviously. Shoot outs are a lottery. Almost all of the kicks were beautifully taken with only a couple that the keeper could have had a chance with. Don't blame DeGea.

3 shots on target against the 7th place La Liga team. That says it all.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Right! How can it be on Ole when your forward misses chances like that? he should have been taken off, that's the point I agree is on the manager, granted.

Dan James would have totally buried that

 

[Heardy]

Seeing Bruno in tears at the end was heart wrenching. Gutted.

 

[mancan92]

Again, are you confusing him with Bruno?

Nope they were both awful.

 

[Mr Smith]

I know people will be critical of De Gea for the shootout, but it never should have got to that point. Just criminal not to win that game in 90 minutes.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Emery sure loves the Europa, comfortably won against Liverpool in 2016. If I'm not mistaken that Liverpool team have done alright since then.

Big window coming up. Silverware required next season

Totally, last chance I think. We will be sniffing around other coaches

 

[tompo18]

Not good enough to beat Villareal?

We lost tonight because Ole is not good enough. We had this game in our hands and pissed it up the wall because our manager is a deer in fecking headlights in these occasions.

Against villareal? Honestly this is ole. He wasn't playing against real Madrid

We have a better squad than Villareal, that is a fact.

Players like Lindelof, McTominay, Fred and Rashford are simply not good enough.

They can't be depended upon, and very good players will look forward to playing against them, which is not what you want in a team you expect to win trophies.

On the plus side the team has been improving over the last few years with Ole in charge, give him another season, back him in the transfer market and we may bridge the gap from also-rans to winners.

 

[Dobba]

This sort of logic is probably why Ole is so crap at managing finals.

The game isn't won or lost at kick off. It's not a football manager sim.

We were on top after scoring. They made changes. We didn't.

We petered out in 90 minutes. Still didn't make changes.

We went into ET with zero interest in even taking the ball into their half. With players who could barely move and some who had been had been having an absolute mare for the entire game.

Hang on, they were good enough to win the game but let down by their manager a few replies ago.

 

[AndyMUFC]

Was nothing to do with the penalties. It never should've got that far. The only players to come with any credit were McTominay and Cavani really, they're proper warriors that you want in your team.

Such a letdown.