European titles - United 3, Chelsea 2. How do you feel about it?

[Chicharo]

Even great SAF once said we should've gotten more
Now I understand his main goal was to "knock the Scousers off their perch", but I still have some strange feeling about us didn't win at least 1-2 more. We had a huge chance to advance to the final against Dortmund and even bigger against Bayer L. Barcelona had ZERO titles before 1994. Now they are way ahead of us, not to mention Liverpool...
Of course there will always be a painful fact that we would've won a few more if there hadn't been for bloody Munich disaster, but still... Three is not enough for this club.
Not to mention that, though Citeh have lost tonight, they are still in a position to win at least one before we do

 

[FatTails]

We should’ve won more under SAF, no doubt about that. I don’t know why we were so naive in Europe at times.

I’d love it if we would win our fourth over the next five years but I just don’t see it. Then again, in a cup competition, strange things can happen.

 

[Gehrman]

There is no doubt that we should have won more CL's as the strongest side in Britain and one the world biggest and richest clubs. However we lost to the better side in 2009 and then we sold Ronaldo and Tevez, and replaced them Valencia and Michael Owen. Instead of replacing world class players with other world class players, we just starting replacing them mediocre/poor players. So it's no wonder we got played off the pitch again in 2011 by an even stronger Barcelona side. Since Fergie obvoiusly both or recruitment policy and management has been woeful.

 

[Hound Dog]

There is no doubt that we should have won more CL's as the strongest side in Britain and one the world biggest and richest clubs. However we lost to the better side in 2009 and then we sold Ronaldo and Tevez, and replaced them Valencia and Michael Owen. Instead of replacing world class players with other world class players, we just starting replacing them mediocre/poor players. So it's no wonder we got played off the pitch again in 2011 by an even stronger Barcelona side. Since Fergie obvoiusly both or recruitment policy and management has been woeful.

They werent a better side in 2009, they should not have been in the final st all.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

We should’ve won more under SAF, no doubt about that. I don’t know why we were so naive in Europe at times.

I’d love it if we would win our fourth over the next five years but I just don’t see it. Then again, in a cup competition, strange things can happen.

We could but there’s no disgrace in running into the best club team there’s ever been.
We were naive in the semis previously: Dortmund, Leverkusen spring to mind but running into Barca was a tall order for any club.
In this era that SAF side could win a couple more.

 

[wolvored]

Chelsea have a better chance of catching us up than we have of getting 4. As long as the owners are happy with mediocrity, then we will never win the big prizes again. Its no good spunking 150 mill this summer on players, when there is a glaring problem with coaching.

 

[rcoobc]

Fa cup record over taken by Arsenal
Cl record over taken by Chelsea
League record over taken by Liverpool.

This shall not pass

 

[Gehrman]

They werent a better side in 2009, they should not have been in the final st all.

Then why did they beat us? Obviously we had a strong side in 2009, but we had Anderson, Giggs and Carrick in midfield. They had Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets.

 

[Yagami]

I remember the build-up to the 08 final on sky sports. Sir Alex made a big deal about how disappointing it was that we only had 2 compared to the other giants of Europe. Fortunately, we won that night, but I think Sir Alex and most of us would agree that's still too low.

In my opinion, I can see Chelsea overtaking us at this rate, and they had 0 at the time of that Sir Alex interview. We've wasted so many years and have not only fallen even further behind Liverpool, Madrid, Bayern, etc, we've had Barca overtake us and Chelsea aren't far off.

 

[RedChisel]

It's to be expected surely. They are owned by one of the richest men on the planet who is happy to keep pumping money into the club. We are owned by leeches who do nothing but take from the club

If not for Ambramovich Chelsea wouldn't have any CL titles. They won their first CL while managed by Roberto Di Matteo for God sake.

Yes we should have won more under SAF but then as City are proving now, it's easier said than done.

 

[SirAnderson]

Better than United 3, City 1.
But yeah, feels a bit like Real Madrid's chase for the La Decima before it happened. It's going to take a while to get only our 4th one.

 

[Gehrman]

It's to be expected surely. They are owned by one of the richest men on the planet who is happy to keep pumping money into the club. We are owned by leeches who do nothing but take from the club

If not for Ambramovich Chelsea wouldn't have any CL titles. They won their first CL while managed by Roberto Di Matteo for God sake.

Yes we should have won more under SAF but then as City are proving now, it's easier said than done.

To fair we've spent a lot since Fergie retired and have precious little to show for it.

 

[Hound Dog]

Then why did they beat us? Obviously we had a strong side in 2009, but we had Anderson, Giggs and Carrick in midfield. They had Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets.

Because they took their chances on the evening and United did not.

Their pretty possession style makes people remember their 2009 win as far more dominant then it actually was.

 

[The Oracle]

They would have now been ahead of us, were it not for John Terry's slip.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

People say SAF should have won so many more, but the first part of our involvement, we had the stupid 3 foreigner rule and then from 2005 the Glazers in charge and a positive net spend.

In that sliver of time in the middle where he could spend like champions, he won 3

Edit: 2 CL's (sorry, half asleep, over confident)

 

[Gehrman]

Because they took their chances on the evening and United did not.

Their pretty possession style makes people remember their 2009 win as far more dominant then it actually was.

Nah, they were better than us. Fergie said as much. They weren't far better like in 2011 but they were better.

 

[Crimson King]

It's kind of weird, because both of their wins came at the end of a disappointing league campaign with a manager parachuted in half way through to try and rescue things.

Both of Fergies came as part of a league double and the treble. We'd been exceptional both those seasons and you couldn't argue that we were the best team in Europe.

I don't think Chelsea's wins have coincided with them being the best team in Europe. This just highlights the somewhat jenky nature of the CL.

But, to be honest, I don't feel anything. I want us to win more trophies, but I don't give a flying shit what other teams win. People who keep tallies and chant about it to other teams are just big kids.

 

[11101]

We should have won more. We made mistakes in the CL and I will never stop suspecting at least one of those Barcelona teams of doping.

Having said that, I couldn't care less what Chelsea do. They couldn't sell their allocation of tickets to a Champions League final. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Gehrman]

People say SAF should have won so many more, but the first part of our involvement, we had the stupid 3 foreigner rule and then from 2005 the Glazers in charge and a positive net spend.

In that sliver of time in the middle where he could spend like champions, he won 3

Won 3 what?

 

[The Oracle]

Chelsea have a better chance of catching us up than we have of getting 4. As long as the owners are happy with mediocrity, then we will never win the big prizes again. Its no good spunking 150 mill this summer on players, when there is a glaring problem with coaching.

If us as fans can see from a mile away the issues we have with coaching, then it's safe to say players can too.

That's why I think although we may get Sancho (because he is English and would maybe like a return to England); when it comes to the likes of Grealish and Kane, I honestly believe they would choose to go elsewhere to advance their careers.

 

[RedChisel]

To fair we've spent a lot since Fergie retired and have precious little to show for it.

Yes we have and due to our crap owners who have refused to put any sort of sporting structure in place we haven't spent wisely.

All I'm saying is people should differentiate between the great historical club of Manchester United and the current shit fest that is Glazer United.

If we had been bought by Ambramovich we would have at least another 2 CLs to our name.

 

[Sky1981]

It's kind of weird, because both of their wins came at the end of a disappointing league campaign with a manager parachuted in half way through to try and rescue things.

Both of Fergies came as part of a league double and the treble. We'd been exceptional both those seasons and you couldn't argue that we were the best team in Europe.

I don't think Chelsea's wins have coincided with them being the best team in Europe. This just highlights the somewhat jenky nature of the CL.

But, to be honest, I don't feel anything. I want us to win more trophies, but I don't give a flying shit what other teams win. People who keep tallies and chant about it to other teams are just big kids.

Clutching straws. At the end of the day it's 2 for chelsea 2 for us during the modern days.

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Won 3 what?

Sorry 2, I've just woken up sorry

 

[Gehrman]

Yes we have and due to our crap owners who have refused to put any sort of sporting structure in place we haven't spent wisely.

All I'm saying is people should differentiate between the great historical club of Manchester United and the current shit fest that is Glazer United.

If we had been bought by Ambramovich we would have at least another 2 CLs to our name.

Well yes if our spending had aligned with suited management. Just saying that I think we have the highest netspend of any club bar City and PSG since 2013 and we don't have league title or CL to show for it.

 

[Sky1981]

Yes we have and due to our crap owners who have refused to put any sort of sporting structure in place we haven't spent wisely.

All I'm saying is people should differentiate between the great historical club of Manchester United and the current shit fest that is Glazer United.

If we had been bought by Ambramovich we would have at least another 2 CLs to our name.

Part of it is due to Fergie and his cut from the same cloth moyes debacle.

Then another portion is due to fans giving too much leeway on united way, whatever that is.

Teams around us are more pragmatic in their managerial recruitment and I've seen none of the big boys suffers from chopping and changing managers.

Our vision on manager are outdated

 

[tomaldinho1]

Got to remember the era though. I can’t remember ever be favourites in the CL - there were either the monster Serie A teams or the La Liga duo plus Bayern.

We got to 3 finals in 4 years - that’s insane - but there’s no teams like peak Barca these days.

 

[led_scholes]

From 2004 till 2009, Chelsea was like us in the early 00s: always challenging and a team to be feared. Since then, they have won it twice even though they have only made 3 impressive runs:2012, 2014, 2021. They are really lucky, especially in 2012. Probably the worst team to have won it.

 

[Crimson King]

Clutching straws. At the end of the day it's 2 for chelsea 2 for us during the modern days.

It's not clutching at straws, it's just how I personally feel about the situation. It obviously means a lot more to you than it does to me.

It's likely Chelsea will overtake our CL haul before we win another while the Glazers are still around. They'll never invest what's needed, like Abramovich often does. We've barely been in the CL since Fergie retired. I wouldn't even class us as a CL level team anymore, that's how bad it's gotten.

I've just accepted it, to avoid the needless and pointless inner turmoil and depression that so many people seem to suffer from due to football results. Otherwise I'd just stop watching it completely.

 

[Chicharo]

I am just saying that before Abramovich they had won (if I am not mistaken) 1 title. Since then, how many 5-6?
How many we have since Glazers took us over? And it were all SAF's titles.

 

[Adisa]

Our European title haul is not good enough. Bayern have 6, same as Liverpool, Milan have 7, Ajax have 4. Chelsea will probably win it again before us. I don't keep it in mind but when it's pointed out, it stings a little.

 

[JuriM]

Next one is ours, so then it would be 4-2. That's the mentality you must take from it and build from it, loving the tough competition domestically!

 

[RedChisel]

Part of it is due to Fergie and his cut from the same cloth moyes debacle.

Then another portion is due to fans giving too much leeway on united way, whatever that is.

Teams around us are more pragmatic in their managerial recruitment and I've seen none of the big boys suffers from chopping and changing managers.

Our vision on manager are outdated

So are you saying it's our history, tradition and philosophy that are hampering us rather than the owners?

 

[Harry190]

Do not care.

 

[Bebestation]

This is why We are not this “biggest club” crap I always here.

We need to win more. We are only big because of how famous and big our supporter numbers are.

 

[Sky1981]

So are you saying it's our history, tradition and philosophy that are hampering us rather than the owners?

What's our philosophy? Go on

 

[GueRed]

If we had a world class striker like Shearer up front alongside Cantona, with the world class midfield behind them we would've won at least one more European Cup in the 90's.

 

[pass.pass.pass]

For all the plastic jibes made at Chelsea, football and trophies are much more a priority for them than it is for United. They have a ruthless ambition that Fergie would be proud of.

 

[MDFC Manager]

We are underachievers in Europe. This is so bad that we continued to crap it midweek as well).

Chelsea are the exact opposite.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Do not care.

Precisely. Some of fans will get their knickers in a twist about anything and everything.

 

[Maciej]

Chelsea win was better than City win, but yes, it made our record look even poorer.

We should have paid more attention to Europe, but I can understand why it was always Premier League which was more important. A good draw and a good form and you can win the Champions League, in the league there was more of consistency that was needed and Fergie was the best at it. But all the United fans will admit that only two "big ears" under Fergie were not a satisfying achievement.