Greenwood cannot reach Rooney’s level either
Has the cult of Rashford become more important than the player?
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Some of our own players are criticised because we don’t tend to see them as stars, due the us not paying astronomical fees for them. The lack in transfer involved blinds us from their true contribution to the team and always hoping for us to bring in that better quality player.
Most of those higher quality players we keep calling for are actually not better than these guys we keep criticising at every turn. I do believe, if Rashford was brought in from another club at a high price the conversation would have been completely different.
So you are agreeing with me that our players don't deserve to be critcized?
Exactly. Rooney was brilliant player, comparing our young players just to have to go at them is ridiculous.
Yeah that's just nonsense. There are definitive roles, Salah won't be playing same role as Grealish, Salah and Rashford plays similar role, whereas Grealish plays similar role to Maddison. Do you think Bruno plays similar role to Cavani or Fred? Or KdB plays similar role to Fernandinho.
Can Rashford create and play like Grealish? No.
Can Grealish produce numbers like Rashford? No
Can they both play together? Easily.
Rashford is not refined player as he is just 23, how refined were Mane, Salah when they were at Rashford's age? Also he isn't even as raw as people want everyone to believe. He makes few poor decisions when it comes to shooting , dribbling. It's not different that most attackers. People moan about him missing chances, when you check who missed the most big chances, it's always dominated by very good attackers as the most important thing to do is to get into the position to even miss the chance, which great players and very good players get into regularly.
Without a doubt he can.
Because of the sheer level of opinion against Rashford here, who as far as I can see has obviously underperformed but certainly tried his best carrying injuries, whilst I can’t find one recent thread bemoaning Martial’s abysmal performances this season.
Not sure if you're overrating Greenwood or underrating Rooney.
Rooney is one of the best Prem players ever, in my opinion.
And Greenwood is one of the best prospects to come out of our academy in years. He has some of the highest-scoring numbers from a teenager at the club and has top-level talent? Why can't he reach Rooney level. He's a far more talented player than Rashford btw.
I just don't see it. Rooney could well have been at the Ronaldo/Messi level if he had the right discipline, he was that good. Greenwood is so far from that level but obviously has huge potential.
By the way I'm a huge Greenwood fan so this is in no way claiming he isn't a top class talent. I just think Rooney was SO good.
No he can’t.
To be honest that's the attitude we see when he's on the pitch, so it wouldn't be a surprise.
It’s all about levels. Saying that Greenwood can’t reach Rooney’s level is not to say that Greenwood is a bad player. Even if he matches Rooney’s goal numbers for United and England (possible, but difficult), he’ll never be as good an all around player.
Fully agree.
You agree that ‘this injury thing is a scam’?! You think that MR is just pretending to have injury problems? My goodness
The entire thread is shocking and exposing some real nastiness in the fanbase...
You'd think it's rival fans from twitter posting with some of the venom being posted
Seeing the comparisons to Welbeck baffles me. And I liked Welbeck, and was disappointed that LvG sold him.
For people comparing their goal tallies; ever consider that Welbeck was playing for a team of champions under Fergie, and wasn’t considered a crucial part of the team? Rashford is in an entirely different situation, and is rightly considered one of the best young players around.
For people comparing their goal tallies; ever consider that Welbeck was playing for a team of champions under Fergie, and wasn’t considered a crucial part of the team? Rashford is in an entirely different situation, and is rightly considered one of the best young players around.
If we had signed, let’s say Leroy Sane and he had produced to Rashford’s level this season, it would have been regarded as an amazing signing and the (relatively) poor end to the season would have been put down to the amount of matches played and the injuries he’s obviously carrying.
As it’s an English player who has been with us a few years, the fact his output is world class gets ignored and, instead, we get people constantly moaning and acting like he’s had a bad season. It’s absolutely nuts.
He clearly isn’t the finished article and there are obviously legitimate points to comment on. However, he’s one of the worlds best left wingers and one of our most important players. That’s due to his output on the pitch - not due to any “cult of Rashford”.
Ah, I remember this guy from the last "is Rashford actually a midtable player?" thread.
Another from the "yeah, the stats are perfectly good, but he fails my eye test!" lot.
That poster has decided that because Rashford has played a lot of games, that he is unlikely to develop further despite his relatively young age. Since then, it’s been pointed out that many great players had similar levels of experience at the same age, and still went on to improve significantly. Now he’s spinning the argument and saying that Rashford is put on a pedestal and no one is allowed to criticise him. Just seems to dislike the player for some reason.
This thread will be dead for few hours, that guy randomly post the same nonsense to bring it up.
Rashford played the entire season as a 23 year old and he is still 23, but he posted he is nearly 24 for some weird reasons.
I don't know why people keep posting the same rubbish that "Rashford isn't allowed to be criticized", there are people who criticize Rashford and then there are people who takes it to next level with so much nonsense.
1. Post opinions such as:
2. Get rightly rinsed for posting nonsensical opinions
3. When given multiple rebuttals to nonsensical opinions, for example:
fall back on inane "arguments" such as:
4. Get rinsed all around the forum yet again
5. Claim the people rinsing you are simply triggered because you boldly dared to do what no poster within the Cult of Marcus Rashford has done and questioned the messiah, when it's actually just them calling you out for talking baseless nonsense about a good player
6. Be the victim
What he does outside of football and in his spare time has nothing to do with his performances on the pitch. Ultimately, the time he spends fighting for the causes he believes to be right is time that would be spent friends, taking care of a child etc.
There is a definite concern with Rashford, namely that he seemed double the player he is now in late 2019 and that if his drop off is fatigue related, I don't forsee a time in the near future in which he can recuperate. Having said that, he's done well to keep his numbers at a similar level and finish the season with a very respectable G+A tally.
There is a definite concern with Rashford, namely that he seemed double the player he is now in late 2019 and that if his drop off is fatigue related, I don't forsee a time in the near future in which he can recuperate. Having said that, he's done well to keep his numbers at a similar level and finish the season with a very respectable G+A tally.
One thing that I disagree with is the idea that we shouldn't compare him with Rooney. Why not? Why not compare our forward to a forward from a time when we were far more successful in order to see areas where we may need to improve? If we want to be challenging properly at the top again then we absolutely have to have players of that elite level playing for the club. This isnt Everton.
Wow, that's first quote was such a ridiculous shit and somehow posters like this play the victim card saying how Rashford can't be criticized and how toxic this place is.
If Greenwood reaches 300 games and his performances are completely hamstrung by playing slightly out of position and carrying injuries not sufficiently bad for him to miss any game time then the argument over whether he can reach Rooney levels will be settled.
Until then I have hope
Until then I have hope
I think thats a very sensible post although I do disagree with the first part in so much as none of us really know how much of a players attention is being taken up with other matters regardless of actual time taken up. Players can have any number of distractions that we know nothing about - mental health, responsibilities, family illness, addiction any number of things and we simply haven't go a clue about them. At the end of the day all we can do is judge the performances we see.
This is a good point. A wide forward who is of supposed quality should be competent playing left or right or anywhere up the field it suits the situation for him to be. Top players are adaptable both in terms of their positions and the roles they play. It’s not like he’s been asked to play centre-back.
Maddison is a better footballer than Rashford technically. I don’t think even the ardent Rashford supporters would question that. How exactly is that a controversial statement?
And there STW goes again, repeating the same points over and over again as the sole voice of reason in this topic, struggling in vain against the mob. And quoting an utterly laughable post that has already been ripped apart to back his agenda up.
Lad, no one is saying Rashford is being victimized by playing out of position, and everyone has acknowledged he's been playing crap for a while now. Feel free to respond to the quotes from my last post when you get the chance, genuinely curious to see if you've at least revised your view on the first one by now.
Lad, no one is saying Rashford is being victimized by playing out of position, and everyone has acknowledged he's been playing crap for a while now. Feel free to respond to the quotes from my last post when you get the chance, genuinely curious to see if you've at least revised your view on the first one by now.
I for one think he‘s a pretty good player and a cool dude. If you don’t want him anymore, I’d happily take him for Bayern.
Spot on mate.
If we go by yours and that other poster, Rashford must be the worst footballer playing for top 6 sides.
You just cannot say that definitively! Rooney was an elite talent who had a brilliant career but let’s not pretend he hit an unachievable level. If Mason became as good as Van Persie but without the injuries whilst breaking the Utd / England records he would go down as the superior player. Just because he’s not better than Rooney at 19 doesn’t mean he won’t be better by career end.
Rooney was immense as a teenager and obviously had a brilliant career but his peak was levels below Messi and Ronaldo In the end no matter his ability. Mason isn’t near Rooney at age 19, that doesn’t mean he won’t be when he’s 29.
None of us know what any player does with all of their spare time in detail so it’s a completely pointless argument
Must realise how toxic our fanbase is compared to yours from reading threads like this.
No, ours is just as bad, really. They all are, more or less.
I don’t think he would necessarily go down as the superior player, even if he did achieve all those things which is a big ask. Rooney had an all round attacking game. I’m someone who actually said that I don’t think Rooney became quite as good as he promised to be but he still had a great career.