BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
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What's "less than a club" in Spanish?
De Jong (with a pay cut if his alleged £400k/week is true) would be good.
De Jong (with a pay cut if his alleged £400k/week is true) would be good.
That can't be right but with Barcelona's high level of incompetence shown over the years I wouldn't be surprised if he's on something truly ridiculous.De Jong is on 400k a week.
I'm not saying Juve get money from Ronaldo's Insta feed. I'm merely pointing out the scale of income from marketing sources.I didn’t say he didn’t have a positive impact. But this is Barcelona - they will sell shirts, sponsorship, and generate significant revenues with or with out him.
Barca have had great players before, and will again - this is not some tinpot club that relies on one player.
your reference to Ronaldo is moot. How much of that revenue are Juventus seeing from his Instagram?
how did Man Utd and Real Madrid survive when he left?
the problem with these threads is that some believe Messi is everything, and some believe he’s nothing. Obviously Messi is marketable, but Barca is the club that made him, they will be here long after him, and their ‘commercial success’ over the past 16 years has clearly not been just because of one player.
I swear some of these lot believe in the tooth fairy.Oh right so they just rocked up and offered Messi 2m a week, did they?
He had nothing at all to do with increasing his own wages?
1 down, 20 to go.Well it won't solve the problem but look after the pennies and the (hundreds of millions of) pounds will look after themselves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/57735371.amp
This. It’ll happen in the end but Barca will surely have to go through the ringer first, ie a fire sale and a few seasons sorting themselves out. The government can’t just step in now and start paying for Messi or changing the rules to keep Barca going. It’s going to be a bloodbath for a while. We should go to them with £100 million for two or three of their best youngsters. They would still be way off but I’m assuming they would be pretty much compelled to sell.Surely the Spanish government will bail them out? It's really not expensive for them, and given Barca's cultural and political importance it's a no brainer.
You see, if a club is that fecking stupid yeah that can happen. But United even during a pandemic and without Lionel Messi got a better sponsorship deal than Barca's with Messi, so Barca could clearly match their current sponsorship deal without agreeing to some stupid as feck "Messi clause". It gives a false impression of "Messi's worth" though, which is likely something they want to show in order to get gullible people to believe Messi is making them more money than he earns on that absolutely ridiculous contract.Rakuten alone said they would only pay half, if Messi leaves.
He's culpable because he's used the fact the no elected Barca board could dare to sell him, to earn himself unrealistic contracts.How is Messi culpable? He didn’t offer the contract to himself.
Its strange how Messi has this saintly facade. I wonder if that's at least in part due to Ronaldo hate.I swear some of these lot believe in the tooth fairy.
Crystal clear Messi and his agent used the Summer of 2017 to absolutely pull the pants down on Barcelona, they knew their position and the position of the board with PSG already in advanced talks to rob them of Neymar. Everything that Summer was the Barca board and club attempting to show a sign of strength to the outside World, Dortmund saw their opportunity to pull their desperate pants down with Dembele, and Messi and his agent saw his opportunity too, make no mistake about that.
And he also has the opportunity at this point, as a half billionaire, to say to Barca "times are hard during the pandemic, I'll sign for 2 more seasons on 250k /week". Like feck he will though, just like last time, he'll take them to the cleaners, because if they don't, he'll be getting 1m /week from City or PsG, they know it and he knows it.He's culpable because he's used the fact the no elected Barca board could dare to sell him, to earn himself unrealistic contracts.
He tried leaving, they didn't let him. So that's very clearly not an option. By most reports, they will live or die by him. Just think losing him would be too big a commercial hit for a club that's already extremely fecked financiallyAs much as its the fault of the previous board, Messi is also culpable. €700mil over 4 years for Messi alone is utterly insane.
Maybe its time to say goodbye to Messi and put the good of the club before the player.
I’d rather have the money and be a twat. Dog eat dog world out there. This is why most nice people are poor as shit, wish it hadn’t taken me until near 40 years old to figure it out though.How about watching your colleagues having to take pay cuts or lose their jobs just so you can make more money? I'd personally feel like a humongous twat in that situation.
yes. Doping, cheating cnuts deserve that.We should honestly be like vultures picking at the corpse, go for the few good players they have left.
how fecking much?400K/week for De Jong is criminal.
We could but Barca would be back in for him when he's hitting his prime and they're in a better situation. It'd be a carbon copy of Fabregas at Arsenal.Cheeky bid for Pedri?
This isn’t true. Soriano wrote a book about Barcelona’s success on and off the pitch. They actually followed the model that the Glazers created at United to increase the club’s revenue. That has nothing to do with the players they signed.Before Messi was Ronaldinho. He was the face of their commercial activities in the mid 2000s. Before Ronaldinho they had no figurehead and their revenue was significantly less, in fact it was declining until the season he joined. They needed a figurehead to continue that and Messi was that guy, without him (or some other figurehead player) they would not be where they are now.
People forget Barcelona was not an absolute top tier club through the 80s and 90s.
It's not his responsibility to determine what is/isn't realistic. He's rightly looking to his own best interests in a negotiation with Barca, just as Barca should be looking to their best interests in negotiations with him. Bizarre to expect Messi to be more conscious of Barcelona's financial health than the Barca officials themselves and deliberately ask for less than they were obviously willing to give him in case they ultimately can't afford it. He ain't their accountant.He's culpable because he's used the fact the no elected Barca board could dare to sell him, to earn himself unrealistic contracts.
Ah ok, thanks for explainingIt wouldn't matter as the cap is based on prior year revenue and profit.
You could expect those wages if they were hiring a top market center midfielder, not for a player coming from Ajax. This is clearly a case where those 400k/month are being redistributed by some other people besides the player, like happens in many of these absurd priced contracts.how fecking much?
It's Catalan rather than Spanish, so...Menys que un club.What's "less than a club" in Spanish?
Not much. Can’t see much demand for them even on loan. You could perhaps get someone to pay 50% of their wages - what difference does that make?How much would sending Coutinho and Dembele out on loan make a dent in this?
This. They have a great academy and they have a manager waiting in the wings who is unproven (and cheap) but understands how they want to play in Xavi. La Liga isn’t hugely strong outside of a few elite teams so would it be that bad for them to reset? Their big name signings have been average to poor - sell them, recoup and regroup. They haven't really been seriously competitive in the CL for a while now & given Sociedad finished 5th (and we saw how poor they were) in La Liga it's not unfeasible they could have a clear-out and remain a CL club by immediately being top 4 again. Pedri, Fati, Garcia, Dest, Royal, Araujo, Puig, Alena are all super young - then you have some guys like De Jong, Lenglet, Depay who are experienced enough and good enough for that short term aim of being a CL club whilst they recover financially.They basically need to re-start the club over like Rangers but without the need to dissolve themselves into the lowest league. The short term solution should be to offload some high profile players like Pique, Lenglet, Coutinho, Griezman, Pjanic, & Dembele. Easier said than be done of course but Barca also have some advantages that (1) theyre the pride of Catalan & globally famous club, (2) playing in La Liga, a less competitive league than PL hence why yearly income from CL is almost guarranted, (3) can always go PLC to gain more money.
The player is to blame when he knows the fans will revolt against any board who denies Messi his contract. Messi threatened to leave last year and it was a massacreSid Lowe says the Griezmann wages in that image going around is completely wrong. he is on a lot less.. And that he is paid less than what he was getting at Atletico...
and , people blaming Messi are being silly.. He can ask for a billion euros a week.. its up to the people running the club to know where to draw the line. The board/ceo are the ones to blame.. no player is responsible for this.
Well, you would have found companies to pay more than that if they refuse to. Their current deal is about $70m a year, no way you can't get over $35m for being on Barcelona's shirt.Rakuten alone said they would only pay half, if Messi leaves. Not to mention all other sponsors. Messis impact on the sponsoring contracts is massive. Barcelona have to pay penaltys, if Messi doesnt play in friendly games. Also Barcelona is depending on tourism more than any other football club on earth. People from all over the world travel to barcelona and pay 200 € to see Messi live in the Camp Nou, they also pay 30 € to see his Ballon D'Ors and golden shoes in the museum and visit the megastore afterwards to buy the little son a messi shirt. You just have to go downstairs and see the shirt printing queue. Every second shirt has the 10 on its back.
If you consider the massive positive impact Messi has on the club, his salary is not a problem. Wages of Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann, Sergi Roberto, Busquets, Pique and a lot more are way too high for their actual performance.
Nonsense. Its just excuses for weak leadership.The player is to blame when he knows the fans will revolt against any board who denies Messi his contract. Messi threatened to leave last year and it was a massacre
And 800k for Griezmann, still can't fathom on what basis did Barca decide to pay him that much.400K/week for De Jong is criminal.
They tried that last summer and it was bedlam and thats with Messi wanting to leave and the board getting him to stay!Nonsense. Its just excuses for weak leadership.
The finances arent that secretive.. come out and mention (without giving exact figures) about what the club needs and why they cant afford 100m/year in wages for 1 player.. If the fans still want to cry. let them..
If Messi can get that money at some other club, there is nothing wrong with him wanting that to stay.. It isnt a fecking charity. No one should expect a player to take a pay cut to stay if he knows he can make much much more at another club.
If Barca cant afford it, let him go so he makes what he can elsewhere.
Exactly. Fans being angered by the sale of a player who can make more money at another club than theirs can afford to match is a regular reality for football clubs across the world at all levels. Different rules don't apply to Barcelona for some magic reason.Nonsense. Its just excuses for weak leadership.
The finances arent that secretive.. come out and mention (without giving exact figures) about what the club needs and why they cant afford 100m/year in wages for 1 player.. If the fans still want to cry. let them..
If Messi can get that money at some other club, there is nothing wrong with him wanting that to stay.. It isnt a fecking charity. No one should expect a player to take a pay cut to stay if he knows he can make much much more at another club.
If Barca cant afford it, let him go so he makes what he can elsewhere.