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Actually saddens me a bit towards Messi. All about the money. Earned astronomical wages at Barca and now they are in a financial mess he wouldnt drop to an average wage to see out his career there and instead goes to the oil money club in the French league because they offer the most money
Messi couldn’t even play for Barca if he offered to play for free. He could not be registered no matter what, period
 

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This reminds me of early 2000's era Galacticos. Ronaldo, Beckham, Figo, Raul, Zidane. The team looks amazing on paper but in order to have the cohesiveness in attack you need a few workhorses. Messi doesn't track back like he used to, nor does Neymar, then assuming you have a double pivot of Wijnaldum and Veratti is that good enough? They look scary on paper but I don't think they'll achieve anything more than last years team.
 

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He's partly at fault for such an obscene contract, yes, especially in light of him kicking up a fuss in 2016. Financial mismanagement on Barca's part, pure greed on Messi's part. No one is absolving Barca's management of blame, they are primarily at fault.

I think you're struggling with the "wage structure" and "contract benchmarks". These are basics in business/finance and in football too. Messi's contract broke the wage structure and provided a very high benchmark for contract negotiations for other players and their agencies all of which leading to an unsustainable situation. COVID was the blow to tip it all over the edge.

Had Messi's contract not been as high, most certainly neither would Griezmann's or Coutinho's and thus the situation far more sustainable.
We'll have to disagree on this one.
 

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Such a shame we wont see him play in PL. Maybe if City knew earlier that Messi would be available they would have concentrated on getting his signature. As much i despise City i would have loved to see him in the PL. Another one to add to the list: Zidane, Ronaldinho, Brasilian Ronaldo, Messi who we never got to see in PL.
 

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He's partly at fault for such an obscene contract, yes, especially in light of him kicking up a fuss in 2016. Financial mismanagement on Barca's part, pure greed on Messi's part. No one is absolving Barca's management of blame, they are primarily at fault.

I think you're struggling with the "wage structure" and "contract benchmarks". These are basics in business/finance and in football too. Messi's contract broke the wage structure and provided a very high benchmark for contract negotiations for other players and their agencies all of which leading to an unsustainable situation. COVID was the blow to tip it all over the edge.

Had Messi's contract not been as high, most certainly neither would Griezmann's or Coutinho's and thus the situation far more sustainable.
There is no such a thing as wage structure in sports and even if it was actually a thing Messi is considerably more valuable than any player not named Ronaldo. No player has an argument when he comes to the negociation table and use Messi as a reference, they can comeback when they are all time greats.
 

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What a poor decision from a footballing point of view. Messi could literally have gone anywhere. Any major team would've had him and paid him north of 200k a week.

His status and GOAT remains unaffected by this. But if I were a Messi fan, I'd be really disappointed by this choice.
Why would he go anywhere to play for £200k a week when he can easily get someone to pay him £1m a week? £200k is the sort of money much inferior players get.
 

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Because France has a 4th tier league. Compared to France, England is the be all and end all.
It's really not. He's 34. The Champions League is the be all end all for him. PSG were in the final last year and the semifinal this year. With him they have pretty much the 3 best players in the world. The only teams who could offer him as good a chance at CL are Bayern(not interested), City(publicly not interested) and maaaaybe Chelsea
 

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It's said that Messi was responsible for 33% of Barcelona's total income so he was bringing in more money than he was taking.
There was a independent report that PSG did the numbers and Messi would bring in additional 30% revenue to PSG and would increase tourism to Paris by 5%-10%. As people would travel to Barcelona for a holiday, but specifically to see Messi play for Barcelona. So there would be a similar effect for Messi at Paris.
 

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Whilst playing with the Spanish National team playing peak possesion football.

Compare that to the 4-0 losses he had vs Liverpool etc recently, people talk like English teams never beat Messi.


Such poor ambition and its why I never been wowed by his achievements, more just the technique of his football.
You sir are just a hater
This, tbh I have zero interest in Messi battering pub teams in a farmers league.

At least Ronnie went to a respectable club in a decent-ish league to test himself a bit.

Would love the latter to come to the PL and win it one more time with us whilst PSG continue to struggle to win a CL.
Really? Ronaldo went to as one team league as they come.
If he'd gone there at 29/30 then the digs about the weaker league would be fair, but at 34 I don't blame him for going to PSG given their chances of winning the CL.

His legacy is already cemented and the weird agenda that it only counts if he does it in the PL is nonsense.
Agreed. A peak Messi in the Premier league would have been very interesting.
 

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It's really not. He's 34. The Champions League is the be all end all for him. PSG were in the final last year and the semifinal this year. With him they have pretty much the 3 best players in the world. The only teams who could offer him as good a chance at CL are Bayern(not interested), City(publicly not interested) and maaaaybe Chelsea
Agreed. He didnt have many options at his financial demands, but he's gone to the one (other than city) that are absolutely hell bend on winning the CL. No doubt the owners i.e. Qatar would like PSG to win the CL next may as they Qatar are hosting the world cup in November (reflected glory).

Massive, absolutely massive pressure on Poch to deliver. No excuses now. He has Messi in his team.
 

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It's really not. He's 34. The Champions League is the be all end all for him. PSG were in the final last year and the semifinal this year. With him they have pretty much the 3 best players in the world. The only teams who could offer him as good a chance at CL are Bayern(not interested), City(publicly not interested) and maaaaybe Chelsea
If the CL was the be a and end all he would have left Barca 5 years ago. The fact he wants to stay at this Barca side with the mess they’re in speaks volumes.
It just seems like there’s this automatic response to him leaving that doesn’t fit the facts that we know. It’s ok to say he went to the one club that can afford his wage demands, it doesn’t have to be for this grand sporting ideal.
 

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We were the better team Head to head. Martial is the reason we didn't destroy them.
No, they beat us when it mattered most. We did well to beat them a few years ago when Neymar was out for both legs I believe.
 

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There was a independent report that PSG did the numbers and Messi would bring in additional 30% revenue to PSG and would increase tourism to Paris by 5%-10%. As people would travel to Barcelona for a holiday, but specifically to see Messi play for Barcelona. So there would be a similar effect for Messi at Paris.
Their PR worked a charm on you I see. I like that you added "independent" to give it much more weight. France is generally the most visited country in the world and Paris the second most visited city, hardly doubt Messi would have a massive effect on that. 5-10% would mean an additional 1-2mill tourists solely because of Messi moving there.
 

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Their PR worked a charm on you I see. I like that you added "independent" to give it much more weight. France is generally the most visited country in the world and Paris the second most visited city, hardly doubt Messi would have a massive effect on that. 5-10% would mean an additional 1-2mill tourists solely because of Messi moving there.
It's not going to hurt either. :)
 

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Their PR worked a charm on you I see. I like that you added "independent" to give it much more weight. France is generally the most visited country in the world and Paris the second most visited city, hardly doubt Messi would have a massive effect on that. 5-10% would mean an additional 1-2mill tourists solely because of Messi moving there.
The report is called "independent" for a reason.
 

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He could have gone anywhere but chose the club offering him the most money
The most money
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At 34, no time for a long-ass "project". PSG want a CL.
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At 34, much better to have no more than 10 must win games a season
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At 34, best to manage fitness and avoid jadedness prior to his last World Cup
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Feck having to put up with Pep, will much prefer fellow countryman Pochettino who will understand all the above
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Mates with Neymar

No-brainer and the best outcome for us.
 

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How does this work from an FFP point of view? Not crying about it just genuinely interested if anyone here knows how it all works!
 

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What a poor decision from a footballing point of view. Messi could literally have gone anywhere. Any major team would've had him and paid him north of 200k a week.

His status and GOAT remains unaffected by this. But if I were a Messi fan, I'd be really disappointed by this choice.
Footballing POV? He has won every club completion he has played in. This is his final paycheck. Why he go and slog it out somewhere else when he can win everything in another country and maybe help them to their first UCL win and all the while making a cool €1-2m a week.
 

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If the CL was the be a and end all he would have left Barca 5 years ago. The fact he wants to stay at this Barca side with the mess they’re in speaks volumes.
It just seems like there’s this automatic response to him leaving that doesn’t fit the facts that we know. It’s ok to say he went to the one club that can afford his wage demands, it doesn’t have to be for this grand sporting ideal.
Barcelona was his home. They also, until this past season - when he wanted to leave -, generally looked like CL contenders. Even staying on for upcoming season made sense in that regard - De Jong one year older, Pedri one year older, Ansu Fati back, continuity with Koeman, Araujo one year older, Dest one year older, the signings of Depay, Aguero, Garcia, etc... obviously not as good a situation as PSG, but still good enough to believe they would have a decent chance, and it's still home at the end of the day

Of course the choice of PSG is motivated by money. Of all the teams that could give him great odds of winning CL they're the ones paying more
 

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If you just look at the names, what PSG accomplished this summer is probably the most incredible summer transfer window I've ever seen. They got the best young goalkeeper in the world, they got Ramos and Messi (the GOAT still at his age), they got arguably the best attacking RB in the world who will have a lot of fun with Messi this season. Not even going into Wijnaldum, but that's a historical transfer window. If you're not dying to see how this team plays, you're following the wrong sport. It could be beautiful, it could implode completely and falls on its face, either way it's going to be very exciting.

I'm now curious how this impacts La Liga's deal with both ESPN (I guess it's too late to make any changes to their agreement now, it's done but man must they regret it), and the deal with CVC that is currently being negotiated. Also I think Ligue 1 is still working on a TV rights deal, they got a massive chip in their favor now.
 

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There was a independent report that PSG did the numbers and Messi would bring in additional 30% revenue to PSG and would increase tourism to Paris by 5%-10%. As people would travel to Barcelona for a holiday, but specifically to see Messi play for Barcelona. So there would be a similar effect for Messi at Paris.
A 5%-10% increase for the city with the largest amount of tourists in the world? I'm not buying that.
 

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Yeah cos I'm sure none of the other contenders even bothered enquiring. He would make almost every serious team contenders. He could have gone City, Chelsea, Liverpool or us (assuming in all cases he stops asking for a stupid amount per week). Bayern same. Of course PSG are huge contenders and will be favourites with or without him but it's nonsense to assume that he went just because they are the only club he could win the CL with and not to do with his insane wage there

I have no issue him going there but trying to pass it off as anything but him trying to grab a big bag of money is ridiculous
Of all the teams mentioned, only City, PSG and Bayern would make sense for him . All other teams are just a level down. Bayern doesn't pay what he wants and so, only City and PSG are the 2 options left. You don't really know if he actually enquired about City or not.

So, trying to pass it off as "just money" is as laughable as it could get. He chose the best team that could offer him money and a chance to win CL.
 

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A 5%-10% increase for the city with the largest amount of tourists in the world? I'm not buying that.
Yeah absolutely no fecking way. Completely different galaxies of relevance at work here.
 

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If you just look at the names, what PSG accomplished this summer is probably the most incredible summer transfer window I've ever seen. They got the best young goalkeeper in the world, they got Ramos and Messi (the GOAT still at his age), they got arguably the best attacking RB in the world who will have a lot of fun with Messi this season. Not even going into Wijnaldum, but that's a historical transfer window. If you're not dying to see how this team plays, you're following the wrong sport. It could be beautiful, it could implode completely and falls on its face, either way it's going to be very exciting.

I'm now curious how this impacts La Liga's deal with both ESPN (I guess it's too late to make any changes to their agreement now, it's done but man must they regret it), and the deal with CVC that is currently being negotiated. Also I think Ligue 1 is still working on a TV rights deal, they got a massive chip in their favor now.
That's only true if you are 10 years old. Otherwise C.Ronaldo, Kaka, Xabi Alonso and Benzema win it easily. ;)
 

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If you just look at the names, what PSG accomplished this summer is probably the most incredible summer transfer window I've ever seen. They got the best young goalkeeper in the world, they got Ramos and Messi (the GOAT still at his age), they got arguably the best attacking RB in the world who will have a lot of fun with Messi this season. Not even going into Wijnaldum, but that's a historical transfer window. If you're not dying to see how this team plays, you're following the wrong sport. It could be beautiful, it could implode completely and falls on its face, either way it's going to be very exciting.
I still think that 2009 Real Madrid summer has been the best. Cristiano, Kaká, Benzemá, Xabi Alonso and a few more. That was crazy.
 

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There was a independent report that PSG did the numbers and Messi would bring in additional 30% revenue to PSG and would increase tourism to Paris by 5%-10%. As people would travel to Barcelona for a holiday, but specifically to see Messi play for Barcelona. So there would be a similar effect for Messi at Paris.
That is sure BS.
 

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35m after tax. Dont try to cover it. We are not mentioning the money he gets under the table in his Qatar bank account. Do you think people are naive to believe one of the best football players in the world is not joining PSG for the money?
No one knows the full details of his contract. He's not getting paid under the table, that deal will be highly scrutinized and PSG has enough money to pay him officially. Also, he joined for the money but mainly to win the CL. Are you so jaded to think there wasn't any sporting reasons behind joining the team PSG has put together? He's got the best young RB in the world to combine with, Neymar, and Mbappe. It's not just about the money.
 

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I don't get all the doom and gloom with Messi going to PSG. It's not as if he's going to achieve world domination with them. He's never done it with Barca even with MSN and Argentina so I don't see anything different apart from perhaps a more convincing destruction of Ligue 1.
 

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As I said in the twitter thread. He's got early retirement going there, i'm sure people will argue that PSG have a great chance in the CL blah, blah, blah, but moving to a league like Ligue 1 and skipping out on trying the Premier League or Serie A comes across as somewhat cowardly to me. He'll earn a horrendous amount of money though, playing in a league which PSG should utterly dominate. Exciting times...
 

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Someone better call the police.. cuz Messi is gonna murder Ligue 1. This PSG team is literally FM in real life (and with FFP switched off, just like in real life...)
 

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I just find it funny that some caf members were seriously saying they wouldn’t mind seeing him in a city shirt as he’d be a joy to the PL. Pass me the sick bucket :lol: do you think a single city fan would say the same about him coming to us? They’d no longer refer to him by his name he’d become ‘that rag bastard’
 

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You sir are just a hater
Really? Ronaldo went to as one team league as they come.
Agreed. A peak Messi in the Premier league would have been very interesting.
There is only one true one team league and that sir is Ligue 1.

Somehow Poch managed to feck up the easiest one horse race around.
 

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That's only true if you are 10 years old. Otherwise C.Ronaldo, Kaka, Xabi Alonso and Benzema win it easily. ;)
Ah, to be 10 years old again.

Kaka' never lived up to the expectations, and Benzema took a while to get going. Still have to see how PSG plays out, but I think it's better than Madrid's summer because PSG got the best player in the world, and arguably the best RB and GK in the world, while re-signing Neymar. I can definitely see the argument, but I think PSG's summer window is more impressive, especially if they live up to expectations, which is still far from certain.