Where are they ahead of us? Central midfield? Anywhere else? Maybe goalkeeper? Although ederson has howlers in him. The excuses need to stop. If he fails this season he has to go. Period. We’re Manchester United, this small time “we’re not talking about winning titles” mentality has to go.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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we brought on our best attacking players bar ronaldo who can’t be expected to play every match…so this is the cup you have to rest him for! We lost a match I remember Fergie losing plenty in the cups as well with better teams.
Bruno Fernandes literally saved his job two years ago. You take Bruno, Pogba and Ronaldo outta this team and they are a team of headless chickens running around. No direction. And that’s more on the coaching staff than it is on the players.
Correct. When Ronaldo, Bruno, Pogba, Greenwood etc play we often win because we have great players. He hasn't changed anything in our style of play. He just has better players at his disposal. Every time we are without them, we look really poor and often lose. That's because we have no ethos as a team, no ground to stand on and that always becomes painfully obvious in League Cup games for example. That's why City and Liverpool win those games, regardless of who plays for them.
That’s fair and I would understand if we lose to City but we are losing to inferior teams all the time
Here’s another way to look at the squad depth . None of these 11 started on Sunday. 7 out of the 10 outfield players were in the international squads of top teams 2 weeks back . Look at the players West Ham started today
I honestly think the team he put out is talent wise good enough to win this game. Either they did not put in the effort or he got his tactics completely wrong.
Then.....why did they cross the ball? By whos instructions? I don't get his comment, tbh
Only saw him direct the team once tonight and it looked half-arsed. He had loads of chats with Carrick and Phelan though. Looks like a supporter. Get involved in the game Ole! It is a home game infront of 72,000 fans for crying out loud.
But who is happy/celebrating? I don't see any single poster who is happy. It is either anger or not caring ("it is just LC").
That cant be real quote.
“We gave it a go” - Ole
feck me, sounds like we’re a championship team battling hard against premier league opposition.
feck me, sounds like we’re a championship team battling hard against premier league opposition.
Evidently it seems, but disappointing the squad is somewhat illusory until Sancho, VDB, Martial etc find form.
Well effort was certainly an issue. Intensity was gone, I am still furious to have watched us being 80 odd minutes in behind and still not having seen any kind of reaction. About tactics, I don't think it was wrong. It wasn't adjusted to his team maybe because you can't expect different players to do the same stuff just by hoping.
I don't know I thought it is pretty inconsequential to field a full fringe team and putting even more fringe players on the bench. Either go with a strong eleven, force something to sub them early to get their rest. Or go with a little weaker eleven and be ready to bring in the cavallery in case it is needed. Today it was just nothing. As if this game didn't matter to anybody. If that's the case, man then give more minutes to Elanga and Hannibal. Or try some crazy attacking formation or whatever. 90min wasted, players confidence got hit, Ole under criticism again. And for what? To give some players a rest in September...
Last season Chelsea underperformed their xG by 10 and Liverpool underperformed their xG by 4, we overperformed ours by 10. To me that suggests we're good at finishing chances, not creating them, whereas the opposite is true of Liverpool and Chelsea. This season we have Leeds to thank for a big portion of our goals, in our other games I don't think we've done that well in terms of creating chances, we're overperforming our xG again this season thanks to sublime finishing. I think it's a cause for concern and one that's plagued us for nearly 10 years.
Sample size is small, but no, we don't. Chelsea aren't particularly great at it either, btw. They are just super efficient and have a water-tight defence.
We are over-performing at the minute, which is why we need to be more consistent going forward. The fixture list tightens and so must our quality of football.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Ole hasn’t got a clue tactically and he relies on individual brilliance from players.
People can continue to be blinded all they want but we aren’t winning ANY trophy with him as manager. It’s clear as day to see.
People can continue to be blinded all they want but we aren’t winning ANY trophy with him as manager. It’s clear as day to see.
Comparing to Fergie is silly. Ole needs to win a trophy with us.
Fergie won a million. Night and day differences.
Maybe we're focusing too much on finishing in training and not enough on patterns of play.
And vice versa for Liverpool and Chelsea.
Just in a state of denial. 3 years and we are still clueless against low blocks. We pretty much do feck all in training and the entire coaching team is inept at this level.
I don't think Ole will ever win anything as our manager and I'm very critical of his lack of tactical nouse and in-game decision making but there's no way today's loss is on him. Don't think he got it wrong tbh but the players sure did.
Ole will always be a legend to me and I want him to win with us so badly but I just can't see how he's going to magically change anything. We have the best squad we've had in a decade, and he's making hard work of getting them to look good. We've gotten the results in the league but barely. I don't see the style of play or ideas in our play, in all honesty I feel a change for a manager with a certain game plan and style of play is needed. A real winner and Conte and ten Hag would be my picks. These two would make light work of managing this squad, and we'd be unstoppable. Imagine Conte with our CBs and attack? Or Ten Hag with Ronaldo, Rashford and Greenwood, Bruno, VDB and Pogba and so on.
The more he talks, the more worried I get about this season.
“We’re not that type of team” is a blatant fib as that’s all we do against a low block. Well, that, and shooting from silly distances. And, even if he were right and we weren’t that type of team, it’s his job to make some in game changes to stop us from doing that, surely.
I like the Carabao Cup.
I think it's a good opportunity to win a cup which can catapult the rest of your season, especially at this club.
I'm getting annoyed with the amount of justification thrown his way every time he loses a cup game.
First, all the semis were progress, then the final was progress.
Is this also progress? Better to focus on the league?
Irrespective, the man needs a trophy. Every te he gets knocked out, it's another one he misses out on.
We're not winning the league and certainly not the CL, so where's he getting a trophy from then?
I think it's a good opportunity to win a cup which can catapult the rest of your season, especially at this club.
I'm getting annoyed with the amount of justification thrown his way every time he loses a cup game.
First, all the semis were progress, then the final was progress.
Is this also progress? Better to focus on the league?
Irrespective, the man needs a trophy. Every te he gets knocked out, it's another one he misses out on.
We're not winning the league and certainly not the CL, so where's he getting a trophy from then?
I know sometimes it feels like we have to appease these top Red’s for piece. But no point pretending you’ll be ecstatic. Your not wrong about him and he’s not winning nothing. So him going back in the Europa makes no difference to us as him getting through the group. The odds are the same either way. Atleast an early exit means less of the propaganda.
But your right. We should want our team to win at all cost. I too don’t condole that posters behaviour
We're not that type of team? Jesus wept. We're Manchester United. 90% of teams play and will continue to play the low block against us. As Roy would say, it's your job.
This is a bit of Mourinho-like detachment. He is a legend and a winner. Hopefully, he would win the league as a coach.
FA Cup
Yeah don't think that other teams won't see these quotes and utilise this playing style as it's now been highlighted as a weakness
That's pinning a lot on a trophy that goes on during the busiest time period.
Big league games, CL knockouts, etc.
Agree.
And as is, our midfield may be more functional under someone like Pep. Remember Pep wanted Fred at Man City. Bruno, and Pogba with the right coaching and clear instruction wouldn't be too bad in David Silva-KDB roles. And someone that is developed in total football concept like VdB would definitely take on Pep's style well. We may not expect them to perform more than the sum of their parts, but well within expectectionnot too often losing control of midfield to inferior teams. Ole's not getting an decent unit out of our midfielder options.
Not everything need to perfect for a team with a quality coach to show they can go after winning a trophy.
I'm quite positive we are not winning any cup competition this season.
Agreed
Then we are winning nothing, because I have seen nothing in the last 3 years to suggest Ole is capable of winning a league title. The maximum points he’s ever managed is 74, how can he be trusted to get 90+ this season?
This quote sort of sums up the problems I see with Ole. Strategically, it might be said that he’s done really well for the club- brought in some excellent players, seems to carry a feel good vibe with him that the players like, and has rejuvenated us from the toxic horrors of late stage José.
Tactically, however, I feel that he’s simply not got what it takes, and nor is he willing or able to delegate those responsibilities for areas in which he is repeatedly found wanting. (The coaching team badly needs an injection of quality and ability.)
This tactical dimension, as I’m calling it here, is glaringly obvious in what it lacks. Team selection, substitutions - both timing and personnel- the entire in-match spread of capacities is lacking. He’s a nice guy, probably good at ‘man management’ but doesn’t have that tactical nous that we need to actually WIN some trophies.
This is not a matter of ‘hating’ the guy or calling him a PE teacher: he’s really good at some things and- to me this is obvious from the evidence of my senses- really poor at others.
I just hope he realises this because he's always given the "We're Man United. We want to win everything" speeches. If he's just shafted the Carabao Cup, I won't be too pleased as I would have taken any trophy this season and bagging this one early in the season would certainly have shut a lot of people up and given him more breathing space for the rest of it.
Now, like it or not he's just intensified the pressure on himself, while the other top 4 teams go through. He really is not helping himself at the moment.
Taken out of context, again, to nobody's fecking surprise. The full text transcript and context is available on the Man Utd app.
Ole's response to West Ham's goal: "When we were up there, we were patient, we ran, we tried to probe through the middle, we created some chances. We're not great when we play against a low block and just try to slign crosses in because w're not that kind of team. We didn't have them type of players so we tried to play round them, through them, get in behind them, but we couldn't create enough big chances. But we had one or two opportunities that should, could of, been goals."
Ole continues: "There were lots of shots from outside the box, blocked shots, but they gave it their all and the attitude, when they lose the ball, they run back, cannot fault any single player out there."
Dissapointed he played has-beens and let-downs instead of giving youth a chance. Big clearout still required in this squad. 2nd 11 should consist of 4 or 5 younger players.
There are many many doubts over his management/coaching ability. Yes he can pick a player to sign and he doesn't cause disharmony but is that enough? I hope I am wrong but the season could go horribly wrong by Christmas. Utd have a very testing few months.
I have stopped listening to his crappy pre/post match interviews already.
There are many many doubts over his management/coaching ability. Yes he can pick a player to sign and he doesn't cause disharmony but is that enough? I hope I am wrong but the season could go horribly wrong by Christmas. Utd have a very testing few months.
I have stopped listening to his crappy pre/post match interviews already.
Not buying this anymore.
Our squads are comparable.
Our first XI is arguably better than theirs. We have more individual quality in attacking areas than any team in the league.
There is simply no excuse this season for Ole. He has to deliver.
Some of Ole's decisions are baffling. For example we spend over £70million on a player that was bought because he was a right sided attacker. Why is Sancho always playing on the left. Am I missing something or is Ole just determined to completely ruin Sanchos United career before it begins just like he has VDB.
Agreed. The Chelsea team last season was flawed and they won the UCL. And look at what Klopp has done with Liverpool. They have over achieved winning a league and UCL with that team. And what Zidanne winning 3 UCL in a row with that Madrid team. A talented team but on the down end, to win 3 in a row was an accomplishment.
There can't be no excuse this season. Personally I could care less about the Carabao cup or the FA cup. It's the league or UCL. We have spent enough to win one of those two. If he can't then let someone better try. The answer can't always be I need more funds. Sometimes you gotta win with what you have and win now.
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