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I don't see the star player hype. He's a good talent, no doubt, and will do good things in his career but I don't see him progressing to the level of a David Silva.
This won't age well.I don't see the star player hype. He's a good talent, no doubt, and will do good things in his career but I don't see him progressing to the level of a David Silva.
We'll see about that.This won't age well.
He'll be as good as prime Silva within about two more years at this rate. Also got the goal threat that David usually didn't.I don't see the star player hype. He's a good talent, no doubt, and will do good things in his career but I don't see him progressing to the level of a David Silva.
Messi was the exception. Obviously that's not a fair comparison in the slightest, but Foden does have that raw talent that doesn't come around very often and I think Guardiola recognises that.Should be playing a free role but that doesn't exist in a Pep side. He'll probably peak under another coach.
He's basically the player people thought Jack Wilshere would be already at 21. I called it with Wilshere while he was still at the peak of his powers, Foden is different gravy.He was ridiculously good against Liverpool.
But he really isn't though? Are we watching the same Foden?I think he's got Ballon d'or potential. To be as dominant as he is at such a young age, and still visibly and steadily improving too.
I'd say he is, yes. Not every game, but there aren't that many offensive midfielders ahead of him in the PL already. Liverpool case in point.But he really isn't though? Are we watching the same Foden?
Couldn't agree more. Mark my words. He is going to be in the running for player of the year.I think he's got Ballon d'or potential. To be as dominant as he is at such a young age, and still visibly and steadily improving too.
In the running, sure, he's too talented not to be and have some breakout seasons in his career but he's never going to be the front-runner IMO, Haaland and Mbappe are too dominant as players for a guy like Foden to stand out and win an individual prize IMO, and they're all roughly the same age.Couldn't agree more. Mark my words. He is going to be in the running for player of the year.
Should have been clearer. I mean EPL player of the year. For the ballondor it's difficult, agree.In the running, sure, he's too talented not to be and have some breakout seasons in his career but he's never going to be the front-runner IMO, Haaland and Mbappe are too dominant as players for a guy like Foden to stand out and win an individual prize IMO, and they're all roughly the same age.
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You don't like him do you? But I agree with you, this is Andorra for feck sake.Andorra ffs
Absolutely no chance imo. I do think him and greenwood could be England’s best players in 5 years time though.I think he's got Ballon d'or potential. To be as dominant as he is at such a young age, and still visibly and steadily improving too.
He's a fantastic talent, but based on the H/L in that video against Andorra it's like what we saw with Rooney in midfield. He had acres of space and time on the ball. I have seen Greenwood ping those first time when he was under pressure and I don't think he is ready to be a midfielder.But he really isn't though? Are we watching the same Foden?
I appreciate what you're saying but the point to note is that he's playing a completely new role. He displayed a completely different skillset to what he's known for. Against a side like Andorra you can do an experiment like that. The experiment was a great success and hints of what kind of player he could become for club and country.Andorra ffs
What we saw with Rooney was switched passes to either wing. Long passes in front of the back four. Foden played diagonal balls behind the back four and right on the money to the intended receiver and put them through on goal. Big, huge difference.He's a fantastic talent, but based on the H/L in that video against Andorra it's like what we saw with Rooney in midfield. He had acres of space and time on the ball. I have seen Greenwood ping those first time when he was under pressure and I don't think he is ready to be a midfielder.
Some of the hype around him is insane. "Stockport Xavi" is absolutely ridiculous. I feel some of the posters here have never seen Xavi play as no way would one even think of making that comparison. He has nothing on Xavi in CM. Xavi was truly a generational midfielder. Foden will be a top player but I see his role as more of a forward/attacking player rather than a midfielder who will control the tempo. Those type of players don't come around often (let alone those of Xavi's standards) as that requires more than just diagonal passes.
As well as Foden's first touch, his ability to turn with the ball and general tightness of technique is what makes him a different prospect to Rooney in midfield. That's not to say that he's going to become a top class central midfielder but the potential in terms of skillset is interesting. One of the failures of the English football system in my opinion is the tendency to turn every gifted player into an attacking midfielder or winger.What we saw with Rooney was switched passes to either wing. Long passes in front of the back four. Foden played diagonal balls behind the back four and right on the money to the intended receiver and put them through on goal. Big, huge difference.
What's funny is people acting like he hasn't been excellent in the role he plays at City. He clearly isn't a midfielder but is talented enough to boss the game there against Andorra.Exactly this. Cracking little player but it's Andorra ffs...they were dreadful. Let's not get carried away.
Assuming you mean for England as he has been a starter, when fit, for City for 18 months....To become a regular starter.
17 starts / 1600 minutes in the league last season. That’s not regular to me.Assuming you mean for England as he has been a starter, when fit, for City for 18 months....
Then you don't remember Rooney's play is all I can say. Rooney has produced much, much more. Let's not even discuss this if that's all you remember about Rooney and are somehow portraying Foden does more than Rooney had done wrt ball distribution.What we saw with Rooney was switched passes to either wing. Long passes in front of the back four. Foden played diagonal balls behind the back four and right on the money to the intended receiver and put them through on goal. Big, huge difference.
That's why I'm surprised at people saying it's Andorra. Sure but passing a diagonal ball behind a parked defense is impressive even if it's Andorra. He created what 3 chances with such passes, one of which Sancho ended up assisting the first goal.What we saw with Rooney was switched passes to either wing. Long passes in front of the back four. Foden played diagonal balls behind the back four and right on the money to the intended receiver and put them through on goal. Big, huge difference.
That's the point. Playing well against Andorra is one thing. Being consistently great at the top level is something else. He isn't a consistent performer for City.What's funny is people acting like he hasn't been excellent in the role he plays at City. He clearly isn't a midfielder but is talented enough to boss the game there against Andorra.
He only started playing well for City when Pep moved him to the forward positions IMO.
All I saw was a mess of a defense that had the organization and shape of a grade school team. If performances against Andorra are what define Phil Foden, it doesn't say much about him.That's why I'm surprised at people saying it's Andorra. Sure but passing a diagonal ball behind a parked defense is impressive even if it's Andorra. He created what 3 chances with such passes, one of which Sancho ended up assisting the first goal.
Performances against Andorra don’t define him. He was one of City’s best players in the knockouts stages of the Champions League last season and made the UEFA CL team of the season. He also put big performances against Liverpool in the past couple of seasons. That said, I’m not a fan of the whole ‘generational talent’ stuff but I do think he’ll like be a world class player.All I saw was a mess of a defense that had the organization and shape of a grade school team. If performances against Andorra are what define Phil Foden, it doesn't say much about him.
Van de Beek just cried a little after reading this.17 starts / 1600 minutes in the league last season. That’s not regular to me.
No disagreement as such with that, but he's barely out of his teens. Consistency comes with age, for most players. He's already a pretty regular starter on the best team in the league, displacing other players of very high quality, and it's not a surprise if he's City's best player in any given game. Also, he plays fairly frequently for England, and again in positions where the competition is fierce. He's proven he can shine at the highest level, and unless injuries get him, he is hardly likely to have peaked yet. All of that to me backs up a supposition he's got the potential to win the Ballon d'or at some point over the coming years.That's the point. Playing well against Andorra is one thing. Being consistently great at the top level is something else. He isn't a consistent performer for City.
You could chalk that up to age, but until he develops into a better player that does consistently play well, some of us aren't going to rate him as much as others do.
On a side not a bit. I had a conversation with a friend about the lack of wingers in Croatian football in general. Maybe its for a separate thread but here goes. Thats because 2 reasons, one is Croatian players are not as fast as their counterparts in other countries, genetics. And the other is when they start as kids they first play on smaller pitches whereas English kids are playing on a regular, big pitch from the start. Thats why we dont lack technical players who are good in tight spaces like Modrić or Kovačić for example or Prosinečki and Boban before and English have an abundance of offensive players, wingers and forwards who are good in open spaces. For example Mason Mount is the most similar player to Modrić and he even said watched Modrić as a kid and he's his role model. On the other hand lots of players who are technically gifted as him get lost in the system or are turned to wingers or forwards. He said he heard lots of good things about Garner for example. The friend I mean.As well as Foden's first touch, his ability to turn with the ball and general tightness of technique is what makes him a different prospect to Rooney in midfield. That's not to say that he's going to become a top class central midfielder but the potential in terms of skillset is interesting. One of the failures of the English football system in my opinion is the tendency to turn every gifted player into an attacking midfielder or winger.
Scholes comparisons.Andorra ffs
I think this is a bit overstated. Even when I was a kid we played 5 a side mostly. It's true in competitive school games etc that a full sized pitch was used. Today a lot of kids are brought up playing in 'cages' which are often smaller pitches.And the other is when they start as kids they first play on smaller pitches whereas English kids are playing on a regular, big pitch from the start.