MackRobinson
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Yeah, this is on him. He's had multiple windows to address this. I honestly didn't think United needed Sancho but it's still early. In hindsight, I would take Rice over Sancho for United.
But he is though.My lord Van De Beek is not a Centre Midfielder
Fair, I was just responding to the post re Ole not deciding player prices. I personally want more younger signings in their early twenties - I don't like the direction we've taken (which seems to happen under every manager) where you start out going for young hungry players and then just give up. Our last window was Ronaldo (36), Varane (28), Sancho (21) & then Cavani (34), VdB (24), Telles (28)...VdB doesn't play so the only younger signing is a £73m Sancho who looks lost in our system.The initial post I replied to implied Ole himself bought the players and its a one man show - it read something like "how much did he spend on Pellistri/Diallo etc." Obviously these players had input from other influential club members too. It's not just Ole storming into Woody's room saying he HAS to get them in.
This genuinely made meRight. You do know the hyped up version of VDB was once he started moving up the pitch? He wasn't that good when he was playing that deep for ajax. Literally his goals in the CL shows what a raumdeuter is and your sitting their talking about football manager.
I'm not disputing that VDB is better in a more offensive position.I don't know about that but what VDB is does that he finds free space and scores.
We saw this vs Crystal Palace on his debut when he played exactly like that. Ever since that he has playing deeper and deeper and not scoring a single goal.
You might me right about Sancho. Still I think Rashford is better on the left and Sancho is better winger than Greenwood and he should play on the right. I can be wrong, but I would like to see.Neither of those statements are true. Sancho can play on the right but you can't say he's better there. He was arguably better on the left for Dortmund and Fred can't play the 8 position as his passing isn't good enough. We see how poor he is there when partnered with Matic.
I'm not sure even Pogba knows his best position as he has been playing all over the midfield including left wing.Our scouts identified him as a Pogba replacement, Real Madrid went in for him so we moved on him. Hindsight, we probably shouldn't have got him, but lets see what he can do when Pogba leaves in the Summer (let's be honest, no chance he's staying, right?). That opens the door up for DvB in the squad and means we can focus our attention elswhere, i.e. buying a fecking midfield.
If we look at that whole window it was a bit shite. It was a medium/long term investments all because we didnt land Sancho when we wanted too. If we had signed Sancho that Summer then the money we paid for Sancho this Summer would have gone into a midfielder. Still, Diallo, DvB and Pellestri all might end up being decent purchases in another year or so.
Dortmund bought Hummels (better than Magure) for 33 million pounds, City bought Dias (better than Maguire) for 60m. So, here are two CBs who cost less than him and who are both better.We clearly needed better CB's and quality CB's are not cheap. Maguire was over priced, everyone knew that but he was an upgrade on what we had and has done well with the exception of a few small dodgy spells. How much would you want to spend on two CB's? 40m? 60m? 80m? 100m? Who would they be? Our defensive recruitment has been brilliant, the lack of clean sheets is due to the midfield protection and coaching. Personally we struggle with the very basics at times, so to me the issue is clearly coaching and bringing in new coaches will make our defense much better.
Why five senior players and three talented kids (Diallo, Pellestri and Elanga) are not enough for two positions?We didn't have enough players on the flank at all. You literally named 3 kids an 1 player the entire forum complained about for years. Our wide senior options are: Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Pogba, Lingard
The only excellent signings Ole has done are Bruno and Varane (the second one was obvious). Ronaldo will be too if Ole knows how to play him. The others have all massive question marks (overpriced Maguire), has no clue what to do with him (VDB), no clue what to do with him and probably not needed (Sancho), bd player (AWB). Oh well, Cavani is a decent backup and Telles is an okay one.Recruitment under Ole has been excellent, James who was deemed a bad signing was even sold for a profit. DvB is the only other signing I would question right now. I will say that we should have brought in a proper DM last Summer and if that meant missing out on Pellestri/DvB/Diallo then we really should have just done that. It's not an excuse for Ole though, we have the players in the squad to be doing much better and our defensive organisation in particular this season has been abysmal.
So the cafe is now pretending it didn't want Sancho?The guy who sanctioned and signed a winger we seemingly don't need and a CM we don't play cant complain about this.
Few small dodgy spells? The guy makes at least 1 big mistake per game. He's also painfully slow which meant that once we bought him up we had no choice but to bring in a top quality pacey CB to do the running and the thinking for him. I lost count of how many Serie A fans I know who had taken the mick out of us for spending 80m on such an average CB. As said we spent 120m on 2 CBs and yet we still depend on McFred in midfield. That 7 defensive minded players out of 11.We clearly needed better CB's and quality CB's are not cheap. Maguire was over priced, everyone knew that but he was an upgrade on what we had and has done well with the exception of a few small dodgy spells. How much would you want to spend on two CB's? 40m? 60m? 80m? 100m? Who would they be? Our defensive recruitment has been brilliant, the lack of clean sheets is due to the midfield protection and coaching. Personally we struggle with the very basics at times, so to me the issue is clearly coaching and bringing in new coaches will make our defense much better.
We didn't have enough players on the flank at all. You literally named 3 kids an 1 player the entire forum complained about for years. Our wide senior options are: Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Pogba, Lingard
Martials been shite for almost 14months now, Lingard was deemed shit and struggled here, the other three are decent options but you can't have three for the entire season. Sancho is a great option to bring in. Why are we even debating this? It's clear we needed more goals/creativity from wide and we've sorted that with Sancho.
Recruitment under Ole has been excellent, James who was deemed a bad signing was even sold for a profit. DvB is the only other signing I would question right now. I will say that we should have brought in a proper DM last Summer and if that meant missing out on Pellestri/DvB/Diallo then we really should have just done that. It's not an excuse for Ole though, we have the players in the squad to be doing much better and our defensive organisation in particular this season has been abysmal.
Ole doesn't decide which players are signed and which are not. His only input in proceedings is to discuss his preferred targets with the transfer committee. Ditto for Jose.Who did OGS actually want? It's o.k him moaning but if he's going after unrealistic targets like Rice and Bellingham that's difficult for club to pull off considering who else you signed this summer.
Does seem he's consulted the Mourinho manifesto of how to deflect blame in last few months of reign before being sacked and is using this to save his image a bit.
He said didn't need, not didn't wantSo the cafe is now pretending it didn't want Sancho?
Pogba shouldn't be starting any games whilst his contract is running out, same with Lingard. They should have been sold before reaching this point.You might me right about Sancho. Still I think Rashford is better on the left and Sancho is better winger than Greenwood and he should play on the right. I can be wrong, but I would like to see.
About Fred - pairing with Matic haven’t been very good, true. But he needs to play higher so we can get best out of him - pressing and harrashing opponents early.
Pogba - Matic - Bruno is too unbalanced
I think one of Bruno or Pogba has to sit out.
The caf wanted Sancho to play on the right. If he doesn't play on the right, it's pointless.So the cafe is now pretending it didn't want Sancho?
Seems so. The main difference is that Mourinho had an image (albeit a flawed one) and he was always going to get second-tier jobs. Ole on the other hand, doesn't have much, so I think this is him more being frustrated and desperate, rather than really deflecting blame so he can get something in the future.Who did OGS actually want? It's o.k him moaning but if he's going after unrealistic targets like Rice and Bellingham that's difficult for club to pull off considering who else you signed this summer.
Does seem he's consulted the Mourinho manifesto of how to deflect blame in last few months of reign before being sacked and is using this to save his image a bit.
In modern football the coach will identify what players he wants moving on and what areas of the pitch need strengthening - then the DoF goes and does the business. OGiven that rebuilding the squad was his biggest success, I'm not sure your claim really does him any favours.
Non of us have the slightest clue what discussions Ole and the club had about the comings and goings, or how the decisions are made.Because he didn't feel it needed to be strengthened enough to actually do it. He's grasping at fecking straws leaking this sort of tripe, it's pathetic.
Keeping VdB and Martial and Lingard and Mata around to prop up the subs bench was more important to Ole than scouring Europe for a good midfielder to sign. And there's no shortage of promising midfielders out there.
Fans wanted Sancho as they wanted every single top player there was/is around. Its up to the manager to prioritize his targets. Problems aren't always solved by opening the cheque book else Ole would have remained at Molde while we would have been busy winning trophies with the likes of Batistuta or Vieri upfront.So the cafe is now pretending it didn't want Sancho?
So what does OGS actually do? Genuine question. He doesn't coach - because that's someone else's fault, but that was okay because he was overhauling the squad. But now his input in the signings we are making is also minimal?Ole doesn't decide which players are signed and which are not. His only input in proceedings is to discuss his preferred targets with the transfer committee. Ditto for Jose.
Hummels only wanted to go to Bayern. Dias was a punt by City which paid off. Is Hummels actually better than Maguire? Unconvinced. Dias is quality though, agreed.Dortmund bought Hummels (better than Magure) for 33 million pounds, City bought Dias (better than Maguire) for 60m. So, here are two CBs who cost less than him and who are both better.
80m in Maguire is uninspiring at best, 50m in AWB is lunacity, 15m in Telles is probably ok (backup). 45m or so in Varane is great, no doubt there. However, I wouldn't call the entire defensive recruiment brilliant in any shape or form.
I'm pretty sure if I went through your posts i'd find several examples of saying Martial/Lingard aren;t good enough and need selling (which they do). Neither are good enough or consistent enough goal scorers/creative outputs, we're basically left with Rashford/Greenwood and an unorthodox Pogba, who is creative but never scores. Therefore, no not enough. Sancho was 100% required in my opinion. An injury to Rashford/Greenwood and we'd be in serious trouble without Sancho.Why five senior players and three talented kids (Diallo, Pellestri and Elanga) are not enough for two positions?
So then his recruitment is very good, if in your book there are very few duds, most Managers have a pretty small hit rate when it comes to quality players. Just look at Peps record, he's signed a bucket ton of defensive players at City and the majority have been utter trash.The only excellent signings Ole has done are Bruno and Varane (the second one was obvious). Ronaldo will be too if Ole knows how to play him. The others have all massive question marks (overpriced Maguire), has no clue what to do with him (VDB), no clue what to do with him and probably not needed (Sancho), bd player (AWB). Oh well, Cavani is a decent backup and Telles is an okay one.
Sancho was clearly needed and Greenwood was going to play upfront. That was clearly the plan, but then the club decided to bring Ronaldo back...Fans wanted Sancho as they wanted every single top player there was/is around. Its up to the manager to prioritize his targets. Problems aren't always solved by opening the cheque book else Ole would have remained at Molde while we would have been busy winning trophies with the likes of Batistuta upfront.
So the club spent £400M+ on players across 3 transfer windows, except for midfield, where they refused to buy him any player he wanted? Seems legit.In modern football the coach will identify what players he wants moving on and what areas of the pitch need strengthening - then the DoF goes and does the business.
And the "I'm not a midfielder" Donny too, most probably..How is he going to feel next summer when he’s to replace Matic and Pogba as well?
With the glazers Its Real Madrid lite but lacking in any real ambition strategy or vision. Sancho should hopefully be good player for years to come but the Ronaldo, and Varane to a lesser extent, were a gamble that’s upset the team balance and for me they were obviously not the right transfers for a team in transition. We should have went younger, more aggressive and talented. We should have just picked up 2 winners with it all to prove coming into their prime.Most managers can only dream of getting Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo in one transfer window. And that ex academy Goal Keeper whatshisname.
Well it dependsHummels only wanted to go to Bayern. Dias was a punt by City which paid off. Is Hummels actually better than Maguire? Unconvinced. Dias is quality though, agreed.
I'm pretty sure if I went through your posts i'd find several examples of saying Martial/Lingard aren;t good enough and need selling (which they do). Neither are good enough or consistent enough goal scorers/creative outputs, we're basically left with Rashford/Greenwood and an unorthodox Pogba, who is creative but never scores. Therefore, no not enough. Sancho was 100% required in my opinion. An injury to Rashford/Greenwood and we'd be in serious trouble without Sancho.
So then his recruitment is very good, if in your book there are very few duds, most Managers have a pretty small hit rate when it comes to quality players. Just look at Peps record, he's signed a bucket ton of defensive players at City and the majority have been utter trash.
Oh Jesus fecking ChristIs Hummels actually better than Maguire? Unconvinced.
We needed a DM more then we needed Sancho. Yet Ole thought that McFred + Matic (whom we recently renewed his contract) could do the job. That was Ole's gamble and it backfired spectacularly.Sancho was clearly needed and Greenwood was going to play upfront. That was clearly the plan, but then the club decided to bring Ronaldo back...
That's clearly not what I said.So the club spent £400M+ on players across 3 transfer windows, except for midfield, where they refused to buy him any player he wanted? Seems legit.
I read that as FredGuys, "Raumdeuter" is not an actual term for a position. It's a joke, a pun, Müller made when he was asked to describe himself (and you know Müller loves his bad puns) and it's a play on "Traumdeuter", 'dream interpreter' as in Freud.
Surely you wouldn't consider Müller and Van de Beek as particularly similar players?
British talent is ridiculously rated in their own country. Which is why England fans tend to end up shocked when the likes of Italy schools them at Wembley despite them having the Hurricane, the Yorkshire Pirlo and the most expensive CB in football on the pitch.Oh Jesus fecking Christ
I'd tell you to go wash your mouth out with soap, but I'm in your house
Why are either Maguire/AWB considered duds in the first place? AWB's still young and improving with each season, he might not be the most effective going forward for a modern fullback but he does his defensive work on the whole well. I wouldn't consider him a dud at all. Duds are players that are clearly not good enough and get sold after a season or two. Neither Maguire or AWB fit in that bracket. They were overpriced, we all knew that at that time but they're hardly terrible players.Well it depends
If you take the ridiculous fees we paid for them then both AWB and Maguire were duds. You don't spend 130m only to end up depending on Varane to nanny them. James was half decent for 15m. VDB, Diallo and Pellistri weren't given a chance. I wonder why the feck we bought them in the first place. Telles can't defend. Varane and Ronaldo will do well, there again we're talking about two top quality players here while Heaton seem to be on an expensive side for a cheer leader.
His recruitment was reasonably good because they were mostly ridiculously
I very much doubt that it was presented to Ole as an either or scenario.We needed a DM more then we needed Sancho. Yet Ole thought that McFred + Matic (whom we recently renewed his contract) could do the job. That was Ole's gamble and it backfired spectacularly.
So when our new signings do well then its all thanks to Ole but when they do shit its the committee's fault? Also what does Ole do exactly? Our tactics are crap and our coaching is shitThat's clearly not what I said.
The Manager will have discussions on areas that need strengthening, and ideal targets and then the club go and see who's available and make the deals.
It's well known that this is how modern football works. Liverpool's transfer committee etc. United now have a similar model in place.
The days of a Ferguson running everything is long gone.
Yes we do, because Ole was stupid enough to make promises to players agents and those agents have gone on to announce it or leak it to the press.Non of us have the slightest clue what discussions Ole and the club had about the comings and goings, or how the decisions are made.