Well if you want to look at the facts, major trophies since Zidane has started Coaching:
This is an excellent post, and pretty well sets out why I don't find Zidane particularly alluring. We missed the boat with the likes of Pep, Klopp, Nagelsmann, and even the likes of Marco Rose, is Ten Hag on their level? It's a risk, of course. But then so too is Zidane. This United team is in desperate need of a system and an identity. Zidane might well be the most decorated, most adaptable manager available to us, but I want a manager with a crystalised plan of how to get United playing consistently progressive football.
Being in the top 4 of the PL doesn't mean we don't have a good squad. Especially considering that 3 are Chelsea, City and Liverpool.
Picking three coaches and comparing their trophy tally over a given period to Zidane's doesn't tell you anything about whether top level football and top level football coaches generally are trending towards the ideas that Marca article describes over Zidane's less structured and more individual-focused approach.
Pep, Tuchel and Klopp are not the only examples. Flick, Nagelsman, Poch, Ten Haag, Rose and many others are all following similar tactical principles. In the next 5 years, these managers and their peers will get most of the jobs at the big clubs, set the tactical direction of football as a whole and hog the trophies being won. Zidane will not.
So who's your pick? Or rather keep Ole?
So what bigger clubs did he work as manager before United? I recall 1
You count St. Mirren as a bigger team then? It was Aberdeen, and then United
It's no skin off my nose but to be fair, you didn't say "bigger"?
Patterns of play is just a secular religion at this point.
What makes you think that Pochettino who has managed for a longer period of time, has won next to nothing, has a not particularly progressive style and is the same age as Zidane will be around but Zidane won't? What makes you think that Rose won't follow Favre and Sarri or that Nagelsmann won't follow Kovac? ten Hag is doing well with a club that has twice the budget of the second club in Ererdivisie what makes you think that he won't be like Bosz?
Alright, but its not good enough to win things. We can't compete in the PL or CL. Yes there are lots of teams that are in a bad position right now, in Spain and Italy, but they are not strong at the moment, they are not dissimilar to us. The better way of looking at it is how far we are from teams around our level or below us, and we are very similar to a lot of teams realistically.
Wouldn't keep ole. I'd rather have Rodgers over ole tbh. As for my pick, I really don't know. I think it doesn't really matter cause the best managers are taken. Would love us to try for ten hag over Zidane tbh.
Who says I'm rejecting Zidane?
Yes you've misread it. A single manager cannot take more jobs than a group of managers.
But then what was your point? Because what you just wrote works for all of them and they don't even have the same tactical philosophies. So I don't really get why you excluded Zidane.
The point is that most of the up and coming managers in European football are systems type managers - all with their own spin but very influenced by Pep and Klopp - high aggressive press, looking to dominate the ball, tactically fluid, super hard workers, etc. All that we see in Liverpool and City now. These managers will be the dominant force in football in the next 5 years or more. Zidane is an outlier, being more in the mould of Ancelotti, or arguably a Rolls Royce version of Ole.
Yes, I get your point but as stated in my previous post this is no guarantee of success. You seem to keep coming to the conclusion that these system type managers will guarantee success, I just pointed out that Zidane has won more than all of them since becoming a manager. There are cons for system type managers as well. Lets say we get in a Ten Haag or a Poch and he implements a system of play and in 3 years we look no closer to winning trophies but we have a clear system of play, when do we pull the plug ? As you stated in your own post they are moulded after Pep and Klopp but all have their own spin, so you're still left with the problem that if you bring in another one of those system type managers after one has been let go he may not like certain players and will need replacements just like a Zidane would.
Dominant in that there will be more managers like that, collectively they will take more of the big jobs, therefore they will win more trophies, and any club that takes that route will have more similar managers to choose from.
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agent Ronnie for the managerial post now?I think it's a bit too far fetched to think that all the other clubs build for a continuous style of play and hire managers based on that. Take Chelsea, for example - Lampard was building an attacking team albeit one with defensive issues and Tuchel came in soon after and made them European Champions playing defensive football. If Klopp leaves today a possession or defensive type of manager won't have issues with implementing their style to the extent of demanding 8 or 9 players. Same with City.
I think AWB would suit Chelsea really well, or maybe Liverpool. Obviously not city as he's not technically good enough, but defensively he's really good for a fullback.
Zidane doesn’t speak the language does he? He would prob manage from a hotel as well. He galvanised Madrid for sure but he’s not a coach is he. He’s not going to be drilling this team tactically. They’d basically be left to the same plan they are now only asked to be better. Basically after one month of him you’d know how it was gonna go so signing him on a 3 year deal could be an absolute disaster.
I think we underestimate the effect of gravitas on group dynamics, remember it has worked with Ole for two and half years - players like Rashford and McTominay would run through brickwalls for him and that dragged the entire team no matter how basic the tactics were. Same thing, but on a greater extent would happen with Zidane as all players will be in awe of the player he was and what he achieved as a manager.
I think you are mistaking work rate for lack of technique, Milner is a hard worker but he is also goodish with the ball, he won't be hitting forty yards passes but you'd find that his technique on things like first touch and ball control is solid.
My point was that many great managers only had one big job as does Zidane
What makes you think chelsea want such a limited fullback offensively and to some degree defensively as AWB is? Are you trying to say he is not good enough for Man Utd, but will be good enough for Chelsea, cuz that doesn't make any sense. Chelsea are not looking to downgrade on their FB or WB options.
In the past I would agree with you, but this season his positioning has been far better. My belief is that it's been his focus/awareness that's let him down more than understanding, and he's improved that.
ten Hag did not work for Guardiola. He was the head coach of Bayern's second team and fully responsible for that. You can be sure that Guardiola and ten Hag talked about the style of play they want to synchronise the teams, but both were responsible for their own team.
I guess AWB could fulfill a role as an RCB in Chelsea's current system, surely not as the RWB. But he would surely not be a starter in that position either.
Great read. Thanks for sharing.
