Wing Attack Plan R
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Same familiar faces. Keep thinking VDB is gonna get a game, but ah, it's never gonna happen.
Anyway, let's smash 'em!
Anyway, let's smash 'em!
Who knows what he means anymore. Really can’t stand him as a manager which is sad as he was such a hero as a player. He talks utter crap every time he opens his mouth with things like United d.n.a and United way etc. Will probably win tonight but Liverpool will batter us then hopefully ole’s reign is over.Maybe means for the Liverpool games
Bet you we go 5 at the back for that
Carrick would instantly be our best midfielder.McFred and Matic could get injured but Ole would still ignore Donny and play Dean Henderson in midfield or request Carrick come out of retirement.
Yes, accommodating Pogba in a two man midfield has been dropped again.Am I missing something? I thought OGS said something had to change. I see mcfred with Fernandes in front of them. Only difference I can see is rashford starting.
And you're acting like we have a prime Xavi-Scholes in midfield duo. Donny has deserved a run of games to prove if he can do better. And if he can't, he can feck off, I don't care. But at this point - what do we have to lose? We can either continue with the same losing strategy over and over. Proven time and time again it doesn't work or we can try something new and fail, but at least we've tried. Right now i'd prefer the latter, even if we lose, whatever, I'd like to see something progressive from this manager. Something that will make me believe that he is not here just because he has "United DNA" whatever the feck that means.To clarify, I am not a fan of McFred although I understand why they are playing tonight and I am more than ready for a new Manager but the myth of Donny's amazing game against West Ham grows larger by the week. He failed to track his runner for the goal and just stopped on the edge of the box so he is at least partially if not wholly to blame and apart from that he was neat, tidy and anonymous against West Ham's reserves and yet people go on about it like he schooled prime Zidane in the midfield.
I’m starting to come around to this way of thinking.The elephant in the room is Bruno not being disciplined and coached properly, but because he runs a lot people confuse his effort for effectiveness.
Not that he's not a ridiculously consistent G+A machine, but he's the only constant that continues to remain in our "midfield"
Rashford quotes wasn’t it?What are BT on about with Ole’s quotes being taken out of context?
Sticks out how Donny is getting the raw end of the stick there. Young Boys - had to come off after the red, and vs West Ham had a lot of second team players around him.I made a list of our season so far based on Midfield pair. There is limited data buts it's too early to say McFred is the best pair.
Also even if they are the best the pairing is very poor all the same. I suspect our issues more stem from coaching In all cases
McFred W2 D1 L1 - 50% Win rate
Win vs Leeds
Win vs West Ham
Losss Vs Villa
Draw Vs Everton
Fred Pogba W1 D0 L0 - 100% Win rate
Win Vs Wolves
Matic Pogba W1 D0 L0 - 50% Win rate
Win Vs Wolves
Loss Leicester
Pogba Sccott W1 D0 L0 - 100% Win Rate
Win Vs Villarreal
Matic Fred W0 D1 L0 - 0% Win Rate
Draw vs Southampton
Fred Donny W0 D0 L1 - 0% Win Rate
Loss vs Young Boys
Matic Donny W0 D0 L1 - 0% Win Rate
Loss Vs West Ham
Me: Ole, I broke my leg.Thats his answer to everything
I agree he was decent and I want to see more of him but his fanboys go on about it like he put on an exhibition. He lost 4 out of 5 duels contested, played only 1 long pass the entire game and was defensively poor on their goal. There were things to like and to build on but it was hardly a flawless performance. I personally would pair him with Fred but sadly McTominay is from the acadamy and so he has an extra dose of the crucial United DNA which our opponents fear so much.Donny in that midfield did something McFred never do - move into small pockets of space to receive the ball, and quiety pass it on with an angle that beats the press. They don't need to be Hollywood passes or going forward everytime - it just needs to keep moving. Dictating the tempo, keeping it ticking, connecting midfield and attack.
Greenwood, Rashford etc were there before we bought him. So we knew someone would have to be dropped. Why sign him then? 73m is crazy money for a player you're not going to start.Kinda is, decisions need to be made.
Pogba dropped, Fred back.Am I missing something? I thought OGS said something had to change. I see mcfred with Fernandes in front of them. Only difference I can see is rashford starting.
I quietly hold the opinion that Bruno can be a problem in that midfield. Obvious quality with him but I don’t think he does much for the balance of the team.The elephant in the room is Bruno not being disciplined and coached properly, but because he runs a lot people confuse his effort for effectiveness.
Not that he's not a ridiculously consistent G+A machine, but he's the only constant that continues to remain in our "midfield"
Ole should sub him at halftime if he's like the Leicester match. Could be a hugely sorry night if we don't react.I think it’s a decent team but my only fear is Maguire no way he can overcome Saturday’s performance in 4 days.
Neither does "i think."The word "just" does him no favours there at all.
Another Big Bang would happen before Gary criticizes Ole. Guy has sacked more managers in 5 years than United have had in their history, but we need to give Ole more time because....? He knows the United way, I guess.I wonder what Gary “never criticise the manager” Neville will think of that team after stating that we can’t go back to McFred.
A move to a club with a clue?WTF is Donny ready for?
He hasn't got a clue mate. His head has gone now and he is in full "save job mode".No proof to suggest mcfred solidify the midfield. Why can't he fully make fred deep dmc and pair bruno and vdb in midfield. Let sancho and rashford take the wings? Arghh.. This guy does my head in
Wasnt it the 'I have excellent coaches part'Rashford quotes wasn’t it?
If Atalanta had any sense they’d target him from the whistle.Ole should sub him at halftime if he's like the Leicester match. Could be a hugely sorry night if we don't react.
Because not every team plays a narrow formation.We always play with a central 2. Why aren't we always outnumbered then?
That's down to poor tactics.Is McFred solid at all? We have 1 Clean Sheet in 19. McFred being are most used combo.
I don't think we have any solid Midfield.
I thought the exact same thingCarrick would instantly be our best midfielder.
Bruno doesn’t play in Midfield. It’s literally the two behind him that’s the problem but we somehow throw he and Pogba into that discussion.I quietly hold the opinion that Bruno can be a problem in that midfield. Obvious quality with him but I don’t think he does much for the balance of the team.
That’s the problem. Bruno forces us to play a 2 man midfield.Bruno doesn’t play in Midfield. It’s literally the two behind him that’s the problem but we somehow throw he and Pogba into that discussion.
Not everyone who wants him given a chance is a fanboy. And no one is claiming he doesn't have weaknesses - he's not a ball winner or great defensively. But he does have strengths, based on his Ajax days. He can rotate possession, find space, is better at handling press, good at linkup play and makes runs into the box. We have not even given him a chance to show what he can do, after spending a lot of money on him.I agree he was decent and I want to see more of him but his fanboys go on about it like he put on an exhibition. He lost 4 out of 5 duels contested, played only 1 long pass the entire game and was defensively poor on their goal. There were things to like and to build on but it was hardly a flawless performance. I personally would pair him with Fred but sadly McTominay is from the acadamy and so he has an extra dose of the crucial United DNA which our opponents fear so much.
I said nothing of the sort and if you check elsewhere I have said we should give Fred and Donny a run as the midfield pair playing B2B. Donny had struggles in the West Ham game, he looked better than before and there was enough to suggest he should get more chances but in a must win game it is hard to fault Ole for going with the pairing which has brought him most success. We can hope that if we string a couple of results together to ease the pressure Ole will be willing to experiment but with his back to the wall it was inevitable he would revert to what has been his most successful line up.And you're acting like we have a prime Xavi-Scholes in midfield duo. Donny has deserved a run of games to prove if he can do better. And if he can't, he can feck off, I don't care. But at this point - what do we have to lose? We can either continue with the same losing strategy over and over. Proven time and time again it doesn't work or we can try something new and fail, but at least we've tried. Right now i'd prefer the latter, even if we lose, whatever, I'd like to see something progressive from this manager. Something that will make me believe that he is not here just because he has "United DNA" whatever the feck that means.
Szymon Marciniak