Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

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Blood Mage

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Mark Goldbridge is a prat but he was right about the emotional blackmail the fans would be subjected to if Ole's stint as manager didn't work out, which it hasn't. I think most fans demanding his sacking will always recognise him as a legendary player in the club's history and an all round great bloke, that will never change. But as a manager he ain't good enough and it's time the club got back to having standards again.
 

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This evening we will hear rumours about sacking. Then tomorrow during the day it will be breaking news about sacking. Later that day we will hear about Brendan becoming new manager.
I have a strong feeling about it.

I know that we want Ten Haag but you can't expect that this board do 2 things right in one day.
I'm not Rodgers biggest fan but I'll take him over Ole so I hope u are correct
 

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Worth remembering Rodgers is seemingly one of City’s top targets to replace Pep when he leaves.
 

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This evening we will hear rumours about sacking. Then tomorrow during the day it will be breaking news about sacking. Later that day we will hear about Brendan becoming new manager.
I have a strong feeling about it.

I know that we want Ten Haag but you can't expect that this board do 2 things right in one day.
Ten Hag would want the same kind of club structure he has at Ajax and he's not getting that here. I doubt he'd want to come, especially as he'll have plenty of suitors once he decides to leave Ajax. He'll be City's new manager after Pep leaves I reckon.
 

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Worth remembering Rodgers is seemingly one of City’s top targets to replace Pep when he leaves.
They're getting Ten Haag. It's not being picked up by reliable sources in the British media yet but there's talk in some Dutch outlets.
 

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I really need to find a logical reason why the board go against what most of the fans ask for and still not convinced to sack Ole after not only dropping points we have had but also such two humiliating defeats with such a coward performance!
What is up there into their brains! If they have any?
The managers they want to replace him with aren't available and won't walk out on their current jobs mid season. It's the only possible explanation at this point.
 

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They're getting Ten Haag. It's not being picked up by reliable sources in the British media yet but there's talk in some Dutch outlets.
Are you going to provide any sources to this 'news' you keep spreading?
 

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Worth remembering Rodgers is seemingly one of City’s top targets to replace Pep when he leaves.
Mental to think that City have a plan for replacing Pep Guardiola. We're talking one of the best managers of all time, still doing great, and they have a plan. If they want Rodgers, Poch, Nagelsmann or whoever, they will do what it takes to get him. They'll pay the money to stick to their plan.

Yet, here we are...

"We don't have any options"
"We don't know what to do, we didn't plan for this" Blah blah blah.

This lack of foresight and planning is absolutely shocking from the likes of Woodward. The writing has been on the wall with Ole for a long time and they just carried on in their own merry way. fecking tools the lot of them.
 

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I really need to find a logical reason why the board go against what most of the fans ask for and still not convinced to sack Ole after not only dropping points we have had but also such two humiliating defeats with such a coward performance!
What is up there into their brains! If they have any?
Sack him for who though? Replace him with what? Ole doesn't coach the players, none of your targets seem to want to leave their posts during the season. So if you sack Ole you will have an interim manager with the same coaching staff Ole had.
 

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Sack him for who though? Replace him with what? Ole doesn't coach the players, none of your targets seem to want to leave their posts during the season. So if you sack Ole you will have an interim manager with the same coaching staff Ole had.
I wonder what the Conte release clause is
 

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Mental to think that City have a plan for replacing Pep Guardiola. We're talking one of the best managers of all time, still doing great, and they have a plan. If they want Rodgers, Poch, Nagelsmann or whoever, they will do what it takes to get him. They'll pay the money to stick to their plan.

Yet, here we are...

"We don't have any options"
"We don't know what to do, we didn't plan for this" Blah blah blah.

This lack of foresight and planning is absolutely shocking from the likes of Woodward. The writing has been on the wall with Ole for a long time and they just carried on in their own merry way. fecking tools the lot of them.
It's not like Woodward doesn't have a well documented eight year track record of incompetence and failure. And I doubt his replacement Arnold will fare any better.
 

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I remember him saying it in a conference and after a quick google it sounds like he said it in the EOS awards in 18/19. Either way, loads of results came up with direct quotes and basically every outlet reporting it (there's way more than the below but I got bored).

MEN:

Mirror (I know):


Tribuna

Independent:

Talksport:


Direct from Phelan;



Direct from Ole:
So nothing about only young players. We have signed young players and players at good age. There are exceptions like Ronaldo and Cavani who came at relatively cheaper price.

There isn't a club that sign only young players. Even clubs like Dortmund who are known for playing young team sign old players. You need bit of balance.
 

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The managers they want to replace him with aren't available and won't walk out on their current jobs mid season. It's the only possible explanation at this point.
Like I mentioned earlier, Goldbridge had some good point regarding this way of thinking.

1) The united job might not be available again in the summer. If any manager really wants it then they take it now. This "I'll wait till summer and see if I still have a job at PSG/Leicester" or "see if City/Barca offer me the job" is a huge red flag that they don't want the job. Move on. Conte wanted the job yet we conveniently couldn't work with him.

2) The club are probably having us all on, stringing this Ole debacle out in the hope he can stabilize and just get top 4, then they have the perfect opportunity to stick with him. The club are desperate to keep Ole because he makes their life easy, even if he doesn't get the team competing. The club has zero ambition and act like a small club.
 

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I google every few minutes "Solskjaer sacking". And Mirror, Daily star and Sun have results which i like. Can we put them on A list and trust them? :wenger: . They are one of us!
 

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Like I mentioned earlier, Goldbridge had some good point regarding this way of thinking.

1) The united job might not be available again in the summer. If any manager really wants it then they take it now. This "I'll wait till summer and see if I still have a job at PSG/Leicester" or "see if City/Barca offer me the job" is a huge red flag that they don't want the job. Move on. Conte wanted the job yet we conveniently couldn't work with him.

2) The club are probably having us all on, stringing this Ole debacle out in the hope he can stabilize and just get top 4, then they have the perfect opportunity to stick with him. The club are desperate to keep Ole because he makes their life easy, even if he doesn't get the team competing. The club has zero ambition and act like a small club.
This keeps being mentioned a lot, but how exactly? We spent absolute fortunes under him, in what way is he easy going for the owners?

People are claiming our owners only care about money. If that's the case, why would they be happy with a guy that needs a ton of investment for not so great results?
 

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Not a legend in my eyes, he scored a legendary goal but that don’t make him one
Get your head on straight!

As a manager it’s clearly not working out and it would be almost a miracle if that should change.

As a player it’s a different matter. He is a legend and it’s not even worth discussion. Almost everyone fans of United or other team would agree that he did a lot great for us as a player. He always had the United first mentality and is a generally good person.

I want to see him replaced, but the narrative that everything about him, even his player career, is shit is just sad.
 

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This keeps being mentioned a lot, but how exactly? We spent absolute fortunes under him, in what way is he easy going for the owners?
Having top players is good for the club in a financial sense. Marketing, advertising, social media hits. Big names keep the fans interested and the sponsors rolling in. We've not won a league title or CL trophy in years, yet still fare just as well in terms of income. Improving the stadium, having a manager that is demanding and driven is not good financially or for those that want an easy life at the top.
 

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Having top players is good for the club in a financial sense. Marketing, advertising, social media hits. Big names keep the fans interested and the sponsors rolling in. We've not won a league title or CL trophy in years, yet still fare just as well in terms of income. Improving the stadium, having a manager that is demanding and driven is not good financially or for those that want an easy life at the top.
Nonsense, how did the club profit financially from DVB, Maguire, AWB or Sancho (so far)? Not every player we bought has the merchandise potential of Ronaldo.
 

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The managers they want to replace him with aren't available and won't walk out on their current jobs mid season. It's the only possible explanation at this point.
I had this sort of thinking and it is the club who have fooled us with this.

No other club in the world works like this, if the manager is not doing well he gets sacked.

There is always someone else available.

Its a bit rich from the club saying the man they want is not available. Well, there are rumours Poch is first choice and the board like him, he was available for a year and we didnt get him. Tuchel was available, Klopp was available, Conte too

When managers are available, they don't act, then they come out with no one one available

They are playing the fans and us fans need to see through that crap.
 

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Nonsense, how did the club profit financially from DVB, Maguire, AWB or Sancho (so far)? Not every player we bought has the merchandise potential of Ronaldo.
Because they thought they would look better than they do. Like I said, they invest to get top 4. Winning the league or CL doesn't matter. They have achieved status quo with this level of investment and Ole.
 

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Sack him for who though? Replace him with what? Ole doesn't coach the players, none of your targets seem to want to leave their posts during the season. So if you sack Ole you will have an interim manager with the same coaching staff Ole had.
Why couldn't they just put an ex player in charge as caretaker (keane?). I mean, it worked last time they did that.
 

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As much as the players like Ole as a person (as reported on various sources), the players would want to win trophies in their limited career peak (for some).

Player mutiny is a real scenario that could happen even before the useless board act on it.

That could force hand.

The only way for them is to down tools starting from Watford game.

Their mentality would be on survivor mode. "Either you die or we die. And we will not die with you."

Who is that influential and could lead such mutiny and to success, is up for everyone's guess.
 

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Do they care? If he gets top 4 they won't give a toss. Besides, these players weren't bought against Ole's wishes, that's the real nonsense theory.
If they care only about money they should, since United spent more than 100m on them without any return on invest so far.
 

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So nothing about only young players. We have signed young players and players at good age. There are exceptions like Ronaldo and Cavani who came at relatively cheaper price.

There isn't a club that sign only young players. Even clubs like Dortmund who are known for playing young team sign old players. You need bit of balance.
Yh I wasn't expecting him to bring in only 20 year olds but this is maybe a better representation of why it's so disappointing. Average age first team signings:

19/20: Maguire, Bruno, AWB, James, Ighalo = 24.6
20/21: Cavani, VdB, Telles = 27.6
21/22: Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho = 28.3

That makes even worse reading when you factor in VdB and Sancho don't play and those averages leap up.
Sign of a bad hands on coach is that their younger players struggle & they become more and more reliant on big names.
 

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Get your head on straight!

As a manager it’s clearly not working out and it would be almost a miracle if that should change.

As a player it’s a different matter. He is a legend and it’s not even worth discussion. Almost everyone fans of United or other team would agree that he did a lot great for us as a player. He always had the United first mentality and is a generally good person.

I want to see him replaced, but the narrative that everything about him, even his player career, is shit is just sad.
It really depends on your definition of a club legend which is a topic done to death. I tend to think it's someone of notable events or someone who stands out amongst their peers, others see it harsher and it's almost statue worthy players only.

Ole is a legend because of that goal but he's not elevated amongst his peers so for me so that poster isn't far wrong. He's way down the list of players I'd rate as legends to be honest.
 

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Top 4 is their return on investment. The clubs mouthpiece, Simon Stone, has already explained that this week. 'They hoped for a title challenge but, ultimately, their aim is always CL qualification'.
Does it look like DVB and Sancho will play any role in us reaching top 4 or not? If I was a money pinching dickhead like the Glazers, I surely wouldn't be very happy about needlessly spending 100m - and would consider the person rendering my investment pointless quite uneasy.
 

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I had this sort of thinking and it is the club who have fooled us with this.

No other club in the world works like this, if the manager is not doing well he gets sacked.

There is always someone else available.

Its a bit rich from the club saying the man they want is not available. Well, there are rumours Poch is first choice and the board like him, he was available for a year and we didnt get him. Tuchel was available, Klopp was available, Conte too

When managers are available, they don't act, then they come out with no one one available

They are playing the fans and us fans need to see through that crap.
Couldn't have said it better myself, it's a joke and they're blatantly insulting everyone's intelligence
 

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Ever since they arrived the Glazers have simply run the club for their own means ostensibly, to asset strip it and use it as collateral to service their toxic debts. As long as they can sell merchandise and other overpriced tat globally, theyre not particularly worried about the state of the ground or training facilities. The coaching and management need to be addressed as a entirely separate matter, but I suspect Sir Alex is still playing an important role in deciding the formations and squad selection unofficially which is a problem in itself regardless of Oles unsuitability as manager.
 
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