Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'

[Thiagoal]

Lingard is just another example of piss poor squad management by Ole. He keeps him around plays him a few times as sub (where he actually performed very well) Then basically doesn’t play him. Bruno could have had many minutes to rest and stay sharp but hope. He’s utterly clueless how to utilise a squad of players

 

[Ish]

Just to sum up the absolute state of this club this is the timeline of Lingard:

1. Plays so badly for United Ole shouts at him from the sidelines (Yes he was actually angry enough to get out of the dugout - assume candycrush app crashed on his ipad)
2. We loan him to West ham after it's made clear he's not in our plans with the idea of selling him on
3. He does really well - his stock is at an all time high and it's the perfect time to sell. The loan has worked out perfectly
4. Ole decides he's done so well that he now wants to keep him
5. Ole promises Jesse first team football to dissuade him wanting to leave
6. Ole starts Daniel James a transfer listed winger ahead of Jesse
7. Ole doesn't give Jesse first team minutes as promised (weeps in VDB)
8. Club offer Lingard new contract (supposedly on lower terms) after breaking promise of first team football
9. Offer rightly rejected and Lingard now leaves on a free.

Jesus fecking wept.

Absolutely perfect time to sell yeah, and we go and botch it, whilst the money could have been invested in midfield. Now we have stockpiled so many attackers, we don't know who to bloody start, FFS. Clueless from top to bottom.

 

[InspiRED]

You got to feel for him. Don't think he's good enough to start for Utd or England given the competition, but he's definitely not 'young and learnin'' now and being sold false promises by the club is actively fecking up the lads career. Let him leave, he did great at West Ham, beyond money it\s fecking selfish to keep a player you won't play who could have a decent career elsewhere.

 

[glazed]

Jesse is a good player. At the right club he will shine. I wouldn't want to waste any more time in Disneyland either if it was my career. Nor would I want to line the Glazers' pockets by helping them get a transfer fee.

 

[KingCavani]

I hate everything about how this club is run.

Shambles from the top down. The fact that we were trying to give Jesse Lingard a new contract to begin with is an indictment of how incompetent we are.

After his pro-West Ham post I’d just terminate and pay up his contract. Get him out of the building now.

 

[Maniron]

I don't. It's ridiculous we didn't sell him in the summer though given Ole clearly had no intention of playing him.

I want him to stay but I agree it is ridiculous that he wasn't sold in the summer given Ole clearly doesn't rate him, and he obviously doesn't rate him because he has given him very little game time in a team that is performing badly

That one bad decision has cost the club circa £25m and robbed the player of the best part of a season of his playing career

 

[Gandalf]

Once again, Dan James has more minutes for us this season than Lingard has had for us in the PL and UCL put together this season.

Dan James left 3 months ago.

Dan James is a far better player so don't get the issue here.

 

[Water Melon]

Jesse is a good player. At the right club he will shine. I wouldn't want to waste any more time in Disneyland either if it was my career. Nor would I want to line the Glazers' pockets by helping them get a transfer fee.

Pretty much this.

 

[InspiRED]

Dan James is a far better player so don't get the issue here.

Pretty questionable statement there. 'Far better'?! Why?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Just to sum up the absolute state of this club this is the timeline of Lingard:

1. Plays so badly for United Ole shouts at him from the sidelines (Yes he was actually angry enough to get out of the dugout - assume candycrush app crashed on his ipad)
2. We loan him to West ham after it's made clear he's not in our plans with the idea of selling him on
3. He does really well - his stock is at an all time high and it's the perfect time to sell. The loan has worked out perfectly
4. Ole decides he's done so well that he now wants to keep him
5. Ole promises Jesse first team football to dissuade him wanting to leave
6. Ole starts Daniel James a transfer listed winger ahead of Jesse
7. Ole doesn't give Jesse first team minutes as promised (weeps in VDB)
8. Club offer Lingard new contract (supposedly on lower terms) after breaking promise of first team football
9. Offer rightly rejected and Lingard now leaves on a free.

Jesus fecking wept.

Utter shambles all around. Ole is costing the club huge money.

 

[M Bison]

Surely everyone’s pleased with this news? We’ve been crying out for his departure for years? Local lad, etc…

 

[saivet]

There does seem to be a little bit of context around this as West Ham initially tweeted about his goal at Molineux for them as they are playing Wolves this weekend and Jesse just shared the picture of his celebration. I know the timing isn't great but not sure there was any greater significance than sharing a happy memory.

Quoting this as so many seem to be unaware of the context. I saw his post a few hours ago and surprised it's gathered so much attention. A pretty good goal too, probably one of the best he's scored. If we were playing Palace this weekend and they posted his FA Cup final goal, fairly sure he would repost that too.

 

[Denis79]

Should have sold him in the summer and got some money.

 

[ivaldo]

Was that really the case though? Bizarrely condescending post when quite evidently I would understand that if it were the case (and frankly I didn’t follow it closely so if it was the case, fine).

Quite evidently it was.

 

[TMDaines]

I can’t really understand what has happened here. Lingard was obviously having a difficult time off the pitch and that impacted on it. He went to West Ham and was brilliant, completely rejuvenating his career. Ole wanted him back and he chose to fight for his place here. As far as I can see, he held up his end of the bargain: he’s looked generally very bright and he’s been very productive during his few opportunities. For whatever reason, he barely gets a look in still.

We’ll be weaker for his departure, but probably won’t realise it considering how poor Ole has used him.

 

[TMDaines]

Just to sum up the absolute state of this club this is the timeline of Lingard:

1. Plays so badly for United Ole shouts at him from the sidelines (Yes he was actually angry enough to get out of the dugout - assume candycrush app crashed on his ipad)
2. We loan him to West ham after it's made clear he's not in our plans with the idea of selling him on
3. He does really well - his stock is at an all time high and it's the perfect time to sell. The loan has worked out perfectly
4. Ole decides he's done so well that he now wants to keep him
5. Ole promises Jesse first team football to dissuade him wanting to leave
6. Ole starts Daniel James a transfer listed winger ahead of Jesse
7. Ole doesn't give Jesse first team minutes as promised (weeps in VDB)
8. Club offer Lingard new contract (supposedly on lower terms) after breaking promise of first team football
9. Offer rightly rejected and Lingard now leaves on a free.

Jesus fecking wept.

Brandon Williams and Ethan Laird is another mess along similar lines when you plot it all out. We’ve somehow given Williams a generous senior contract after playing out of position, when Laird is more highly regarded in his actual position.

 

[Lee565]

Outside of man city and Chelsea, he would be a very useful addition to any squad in the premier league, wonder if he will try going abroad, Dortmund would be a great fit for him

 

[captaincantona]

I can’t really understand what has happened here. Lingard was obviously having a difficult time off the pitch and that impacted on it. He went to West Ham and was brilliant, completely rejuvenating his career. Ole wanted him back and he chose to fight for his place here. As far as I can see, he held up his end of the bargain: he’s looked generally very bright and he’s been very productive during his few opportunities. For whatever reason, he barely gets a look in still.

We’ll be weaker for his departure, but probably won’t realise it considering how poor Ole has used him.

we will be weaker for the departure of a player who never plays?

The revisionism of Lingard is mental. He is not Utd quality and has only ever put performances in when he plays in a counterattack system where he can run in to space. Give him the ball in tight areas and his touch is fuking scandalous which is ironic because his strongest attribute is his movement which he can’t exploit cause he is shit without time and space. That’s why he shone at West Ham and would do again...they fit. Utd have players who can recieve the ball in tight spaces but don’t use them (Mata, DVB, Sancho, Amad,) . Unless we are looking to play Oleball again...Jesse is fuk all use to us and I for one would love to see Elanga and Amad gets his few first team minutes when he does fuk off.

 

[clarkydaz]

Quoting this as so many seem to be unaware of the context. I saw his post a few hours ago and surprised it's gathered so much attention. A pretty good goal too, probably one of the best he's scored. If we were playing Palace this weekend and they posted his FA Cup final goal, fairly sure he would repost that too.

the club is fractured at the moment, the manager today looks like death warmed up and his brother was taking the piss out of Ole recently. No need

 

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[Bastian]

Is that IG thing for real? Absolute piss take if so. The only thing Ole has done stupid here is publicly promise him more game time. He's not better than what we've got, and if the team wasn't massively underperforming he wouldn't have a hope of a look in. The club did what it does in refuse this transfer market tap-in in the summer when, for once, a loan move proved successful. If he'd have been told publicly that he would find it very hard to get game time and there'd be no more loans, he'd have moved on and there would have been cash to augment the squad.

Same with Bailly.

 

[lsd]

Wait, so you guys now want Lingard to stay? I can’t keep up.

Just as another stick to beat Ole with. The abuse Ole gets in here is becoming really toxic.

So called United fans openly hoping we lose matches and play rubbish.

 

[elnorte]

Just as another stick to beat Ole with. The abuse Ole gets in here is becoming really toxic.

So called United fans openly hoping we lose matches and play rubbish.

You didn't approve of his Sancho signing.

 

[lsd]

You didn't approve of his Sancho signing.

I don't think I totally disapproved. Maybe thought overpriced and not actually what we needed but I think he will come good for us.

 

[Amir]

Surely everyone’s pleased with this news? We’ve been crying out for his departure for years? Local lad, etc…

It's not the what, it's the how, as it was done in the worst possible way: We lost out on a transfer fee by keeping him for this season, and don't use him anyway.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a player whose contract is running out. Sometimes getting another season from a good player is worth more than the transfer fee. But keeping a player who isn't so important to you while his contract is running out is just terrible management.

 

[Greck]

I think Ole genuinely intends to play them, then the games start and he realises he can't beat anyone if even a single one of his best players are rotated. He's so reliant on talent rotation is all it takes to struggle against mid table teams

 

[Simbo]

I heard he rejected the contract offer as it was less than he current wage.

If true, what the feck does he think he's done to expect a raise?

Been consistently one of the best players in the league for the last year?

 

[Withnail]

Been consistently one of the best players in the league for the last year?

You mean half of a season at West Ham?

 

[Blood Mage]

The fact he wasn't sold to West Ham in the summer is a damning indictment of how poorly we're run as a club these days.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The fact he wasn't sold to West Ham in the summer is a damning indictment of how poorly we're run as a club these days.

Don't think they wanted him for money.

 

[buckooo1978]

It's not the what, it's the how, as it was done in the worst possible way: We lost out on a transfer fee by keeping him for this season, and don't use him anyway.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a player whose contract is running out. Sometimes getting another season from a good player is worth more than the transfer fee. But keeping a player who isn't so important to you while his contract is running out is just terrible management.

agree but it's worse than that.

What does it say to the other players when you look at the Lingard situation and broken promises. It can only create a bad atmosphere and I'm shocked Lingard had been so mischievous with his post. A clear feck you to Ole as the manager smiles at the Presser.

If you are an aspiring European player do you fear am I going to be the next Van De Beek if I go to United?

Solskjaer and the management team needed to be more decisive on these. If they aren't going to play do the right thing.

 

[giggs-beckham]

Just as another stick to beat Ole with. The abuse Ole gets in here is becoming really toxic.

So called United fans openly hoping we lose matches and play rubbish.

Abuse? I don't see it to be honest.

 

[Simbo]

You mean half of a season at West Ham?

Half of a season at West Ham, every England game and every cameo for us when we get have a chance (except that backpass...).

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

He's have to be an idiot to look at our squad in the summer and think he was going to get more playing time.

He's played it well, he'll get a large chunk of any transfer fee as a signing on fee instead.

Mind reading aside, the dross forward players have served up & playing Dan James who was half way out the door is indefensible.

He went to West Ham & showed he’s a decent player, given the shambles we’ve been this season he has every right to think he should have had more game time.

Cavani is always injured, Martial is Martial, Dan James was off, VdB simply doesn’t play, Rashford was injured. He should have played more for us this season.

It’s another prime piece of OgS mismanagement, nothing else.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Just as another stick to beat Ole with. The abuse Ole gets in here is becoming really toxic.

So called United fans openly hoping we lose matches and play rubbish.

There’s always one contestant for Top Red Bingo.

 

[minoo-utd]

Yes bad man management from Ole and everything but is it okay that he put a photo with another club T shirt whilst he still here?

Could happen under any other manager?

 

[Berbasbullet]

There’s always one contestant for Top Red Bingo.

Openly hoping for your own team to lose is well… not supporting the team now is it.

 

[Amir]

He's have to be an idiot to look at our squad in the summer and think he was going to get more playing time.

He's played it well, he'll get a large chunk of any transfer fee as a signing on fee instead.

From his side, it was worth a punt. Once he leaves United, he'll never play for a club this big again. So he give it one last year, hopes for the best and knows he has an escape route at the end of the season.

 

[Simbo]

To be fair, the reason for this is because of the 'quality' of other players we have in his position, his previous rep here has overshadowed his recent form. Although I'd prefer to see the inform players rewarded and put on the team sheet over our so called superstars... t'was never going to happen lets be honest. This outcome is fairly inevitable, I don't think its worth trying to point blame for it anywhere.

Sure we could have made more effort to sell him in the summer, but what's £20mil nowadays? worth that just to have a good player on the bench.

 

[Withnail]

Half of a season at West Ham, every England game and every cameo for us when we get have a chance (except that backpass...).

International football doesn't really count. You get more time and space and loads of mediocre players play well for their country.

The way I see it is he had a purple patch at Westham. That's it - he was never really good enough for United so if he wants a pay rise and to be more than a squad player he can leave, as far as I'm concerned.