Solskjaer's legacy and his future

Greck said:
Honestly I don't get how people can say Jose left us in a mess then say ole left us better. Ffs when Jose was fired he was 6th, Ole was 8th. Ole's final season didn't outperform Jose and his finals season toxicity. If Jose took us backwards by coming 6th (after finishing 2nd) then the same has to apply to Ole for leaving us in 8th position. I was one of Jose's biggest critics but what he said on Sky about the double standards used to judge him and Ole is true.
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Exactly. Had Jose left after coming second he would have won two trophies and a second place with enough points to win the PL in most seasons.
He has no clue how to coach a football team at the very highest level. Football managers should be judged on the results and not whether he is a bellend or not. This is not a popularity contest.
 
Dunk the Lunk said:
I'm quite surprised at how many people praise him as a person. From everything I've heard about him and his agent thet both come across as despicable people.

Protecting a serial rapist isnt someone i would call a "top man".

To each his own though. Would be interesting to hear what the victims have to say.
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Was he convicted of rape?
 
Foxbatt said:
Exactly. Had Jose left after coming second he would have won two trophies and a second place with enough points to win the PL in most seasons.
He has no clue how to coach a football team at the very highest level. Football managers should be judged on the results and not whether he is a bellend or not. This is not a popularity contest.
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Someone tried to break Ole's tenure down into 4 pieces today in order to come to the conclusion that he was great.
 
stw2022 said:
I never really understood the concept that he’d brought ‘progress’ to the club given that his immediate predecessor eclipsed every achievement with the exception of the money spent. The first dozen games of his tenure do a LOT of heavy lifting when it comes to how people perceive his time here.
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How about the longest away unbeaten run? Why is there so much revisionism of his tenure? I understand the bitterness of this season, but we were improving every season under him till the last few matches of last season.

Something broke then, we went from playing counters and pressing from near the halfway line to trying to play direct to the forwards bypassing the midfield. And Bruno was brought in for a reason, we lacked a player who could unlock compact teams and fast enough to recover if the ball was lost and he did exactly that. Shouldn't his signing be counted as a positive for Ole?
We finished strong enough for Varane and Ronaldo to agree to come here, but since we switched tactics ole and the coaching staff looked completely lost. Don't even get me started on the set piece coach, absolute disaster.
If Mourinho, the predecessor had continued we would have lost the club we have loved.Under Ole i felt connected to the club again.This season was unexpected especially with the players that came in.
 
High Fiving Maguire when he got sent off against Watford. Sums him up as a manager.
Literally any chance he had for hanging on to his job evaporated with the donkey maguire getting that red.
And he gets a high 5. Ole had dreams of taking United to trophies and Maguire was instrumental in Oles downfall - and he gets a high 5.

Thats Oles legacy. Weakness when it mattered
 
Ole has two legacies. The player who scored the CL match winner and the manager who was never the right man for the job who somehow made sn incredibly talented squad look like amateurs.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
We are sitting 9th. Thanks for the fecking legacy.
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He would have taken us for the lowest finish since fergie retired had he been allowed to go on. There was no end in sight to our clueless football.
 
No youth development in 3 years except Greenwood, who also became monotonous instead of versatile striker under him. Encouraged favouritism in the squad. Left the club in dire situation, not to forget a laughing stock around the world.
 
Should have sacked him last europa final when it was clear he had already hit his ceiling.
In the end, I don't change my mind about Ole, he's still a legend. But even Ben Foster knew United was an easy 3 pointers, that summed up Ole's legacy as United manager.
 
devilish said:
Ole inners should be careful using Ole's signings as his badge of honour. The likes of AWB and Maguire will probably adapt to gegenpressing as Neanderthals would adapt in operating an F16
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So we’ll highlight two players who’ve had a bad start to the season and just ignore any other players he signed;

Sancho
Cavani
Bruno
DvB
Ronaldo
James (sold at a profit)
Telles
Amad & Pellestri (both look talented)

AwB is a write off as far as I’m concerned. A £50m write off at that, which is kind of inexcusable, we’d be lucky to get £15m for him if we tried to sell him, but there’s no doubt Ole signed some very good players. Both for his system and that will be usable by RR or any manager we brought in.
Maguire isn’t £80m of defender, no getting away from that, but he’s still a perfectly serviceable CB when put in a system and managed by a manager who knows what he’s doing. His price is irrelevant, we have the cash and he services a need. Given the benefit of hindsight, half the caf were happy for us to blow £100m on KK 18 months ago, not sure anybody would be happy to nail their colours to that mast at this point

I don’t get the Ole outers. No he wasn’t good enough in the end for us, but that doesn’t automatically mean everybody needs to piss on everything he did for us.

No we didn’t win anything, yes we did achieve back to back top 4 places (first time since SAF left).

Yes he made a couple of questionable signings. The vast majority of his signings were players we were happy with as a fan base. With the exception of Maguire (due to the price) nobody complained about any of the others as they were being brought in. Or as was the case with Cavani (past it), Bruno (padded figures in a shit league) Ronaldo (old and past it), those posters were proven very wrong.

Fine, be pleased he’s left but can we just leave the bile and the revisionism at the door and not piss on the poor guys corpse. He made some very good, albeit obvious signings, made united watchable again, which barring a few streaks we hadn’t been for 8 fecking years and pretty much gave his all and cared for the club.
 
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Eyepopper said:
Well then, you're either about 15, or a completely joyless prick.
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I am neither.

Redcafe is about opinions, and the rules of posting include attacking the post and NOT the poster.

I don't care how long you have been a member of the cafe, and I don't care how many posts you have made.
I have nothing more to say to you, either now or any time in the future.
 
Manny said:
Take it you've already posted this on your RAWK account..
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There is no reason for me to have a RAWK account.

Look back through my postings and you will see a repetitive theme throughout them... I cannot stand Liverpool Football Club.
 
As a manager I'll remember him as someone who did his best but wasn't really good enough and probably stayed longer than he should have.
As a player he's still the man who got those winners against the self pity lot and Munich and I'll remember him more for that.
I'm married to a Nottingham girl, family all Forest fans, all recognise Pearce as a dreadful manager but he's still hugely popular due to his playing days, it will be the same here with Ole
 
devilish said:
Ole inners should be careful using Ole's signings as his badge of honour. The likes of AWB and Maguire will probably adapt to gegenpressing as Neanderthals would adapt in operating an F16
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Careful lad, now he’s gone you’ve got to thank him for the great, happy squad he’s left behind for the next manager. Don’t dare question his signings or say he didn’t attain anything tangible in his tenure cause that’s. . . revisionism. You can’t criticise him for being outcoavhed against Sevilla & Villareal managers despite a rather sizeable advantage in most every sense.
 
BuzzKillington said:
AWB - showed promised but no progress - miss
Maguire - has the ability but not the mentality
Sancho - didn’t know how to use him - miss
Cavani - short term solution but decent - hit
Bruno - prolonged Oles United career - hit
DvB - didn’t know how to use him - miss
Ronaldo - prolonged Oles United career - hit
James - never at the level required - miss
Telles - back up
Amad & Pellestri (both look talented)
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Fixed it for you. He has made 3 decent signings, 2 ok signings, 4 dreadful signings and 2 youth signings. Rather mixed bag but there’s nothing there that’s substantially raised your teams level besides Bruno in truth. When you sign players you want the level of performance to rise and Ole really didn’t see that happen. In fact he signed 2 decent players and was too incompetent to work them into his side.

I will not talk about monetary values, that’s Ed’s department and he has shown incompetence beyond belief. All I will say is that you cannot base the signing of James on the profit for selling him. That’s two different values to a club. He started his career well but was never going to be an important first team player.
 
even the james signing had potential. so i believe one of the greatest ole legacies is his signings.
 
The Siege said:
Probably the most lovable human being we've had as a manager, including SAF, and it shows in how much the players and fans genuinely meant there goodbyes even though he failed dramatically towards the end. It wasn't the 'good riddance' nature of LVG and Mourinho's exits. Managed to get a bunch of big egos to not turn on each other and was a fantastic man manager.

He has the tactical intelligence of a potato and I genuinely hope he puts in the effort to reinvent himself as a manager for modern football. Motivation and vibes don't win you trophies on their own.
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Sir Alex and Van Gaal were much more likeable. Ole just smiled a lot. His exit was a good riddance exit for me.
 
Its not really a legacy but just noticed, Arsenal is 6pts above us, holy shit.
 
Cloud7 said:
Mourinho and Van Gaal were much more likeable. Ole just smiled a lot. His exit was a good riddance exit for me.
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Mourinho near the end was unsufferable but when we were winning somewhat he had charm to him. LVG was pure entertainment regardless. Stopped watching Ole's conferences shorty after the Europa final even if I'd lost faith even before then I couldn't take his empty cliches and nervous smiling any longer. Will forever remain a legend as a player in my mind but as a manager I couldn't wait to see the back him.
 
His legacy? That not even club legends will resign even if the results/playing are abysmal.

Rotten legacy.
 
Shark said:
Mourinho near the end was unsufferable but when we were winning somewhat he had charm to him. LVG was pure entertainment regardless. Stopped watching Ole's conferences shorty after the Europa final even if I'd lost faith even before then I couldn't take his empty cliches and nervous smiling any longer. Will forever remain a legend as a player in my mind but as a manager I couldn't wait to see the back him.
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Yep, although I disliked Jose so much at the end I can't look back on any of his time here fondly at all :lol: The most endearing thing Ole ever did as a manager was when he was Cardiff manager and was asked something about Liverpool and he said "I don't care." He was a damp towel here. Empty platitudes, Rashy and the boys, United way etc. There was nothing likeable about that to me.
 
The Siege said:
Probably the most lovable human being we've had as a manager, including SAF, and it shows in how much the players and fans genuinely meant there goodbyes even though he failed dramatically towards the end. It wasn't the 'good riddance' nature of LVG and Mourinho's exits. Managed to get a bunch of big egos to not turn on each other and was a fantastic man manager.

He has the tactical intelligence of a potato and I genuinely hope he puts in the effort to reinvent himself as a manager for modern football. Motivation and vibes don't win you trophies on their own.
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Only to you I guess, I can't stand the way he treated the likes of Smalling Lukaku Bailey Lingard and Van de Beek, especially Van de Beek. He literally didn't give Smalling a single chance and later on lied to VdB in a disgusting manner
 
People here are strange. Man Utd was a car crash when he took over. Now the racing car is back on the circuit, or at least was after last season, and the overall health of the club is where it must be.
People tend to forget that we could actually spinned further down after Mourinho. Please think about that for a second.

But, having said that, this fall have been might strange:
• I agree with Merson on Ronaldo. Ole had a plan for every player that would work with the style of play we had for the seasons that gave us 3rd and 2nd. Ronaldo is a great finisher, but that IS a different plan.
• Ole always talked about the importance of runing the most and earning the right to win a match — this fall not at all — why was that? We have crazy bad physical stats so far this season.
• Ole knows tactics, at least counter tactics. In Molde they where fine with dominating tactics. Why he know talked of motivational bs like «be the best version of your self» «every boy want to play for manutd — you are the lucky ones» is just very very strange.
• all these injurys, it really messed up the little rythm that we had
• McGuire and Shaw. So bad it is actually Ole’s fault to keep them on.
• not moving Pogba on. It is Ole’s fault. Pogba is just not what we need for those money, and he should know it. The whole damn thing is down right stupied, and if a manager cant see that, maybe he should not be manager.
• the mismanagment of Rashford from a month before the back injury against Newcastle. And not making sure he fixed his shoulders right after last season, at the cost of the euros.

All in all, I think his legacy will be okay. Not what it could have been if he’d been able to carry on from last season, but not as bad as some of you lot might think right now.
 
Solskjaers legacy as MANAGER is ultimately going to be more about the people at the top than it is going to be about him. He came in at a time when we needed someone like him and he did an excellent job. There were some incredible moments under him, and he purged the club of the toxicity that surrounded it after Jose, so he fulfilled his remit in that sense.

However, it was very obvious that he wasn't the right man for the job in the long run. They hired him for the permanent position purely on emotion. They got themselves caught up in the excitement and gave him the job. As if that wasn't bad enough, they then dilly and dallied when it came to sacking him which should have come WAY before it did. As I said - it's on the owners, not on Solskjaer. He wasn't good enough and there's nothing wrong with that, but they should have recognized it WAY before they did.
 
His legacy is that he was so incompetent that the club was forced to sack him after giving everything he wanted. He even got Sancho in the end and didn't know how to use him. To me now he is worse than Moyes. Moyes at least managed and coached a decent size club and had a plan even though it was a bad plan. Ole had no idea at all.
If we don't make the top 4 it's all down to him.
 
LazyGoal said:
People tend to forget that we could actually spinned further down after Mourinho. Please think about that for a second.
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I have thought about it. And looking at the clubs which Mourinho left after typical toxic times (Chelsea I, Real, Chelsea II), they were fine afterwards.

When things go bad with Mourinho, they go real bad. The good thing is that once he leaves, things are bound to pick up because there's no one worse in football than a Mourinho in toxic period.
 
VidaRed said:
Scandalous if true. But why are we hearing this for the first time now ?

I think it might baseless accusations because otherwise it would have been plasted all over the caf by ole outers and opposition fans while ole was still the wheel.
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Is it possible that "Ole outers" were never quite out there for character assassination, but just didn't think he was a good enough manager and focused on that?...
 
Foxbatt said:
His legacy is that he was so incompetent that the club was forced to sack him after giving everything he wanted. He even got Sancho in the end and didn't know how to use him. To me now he is worse than Moyes. Moyes at least managed and coached a decent size club and had a plan even though it was a bad plan. Ole had no idea at all.
If we don't make the top 4 it's all down to him.
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This is basically it. Everyone talks about the ‘negativity’ around the club but Mou wasn’t some kind of restless phantom, haunting the corridors of Carrington. Once he left, the negativity left with him.

Ole had the most time, least expectations and the most backing and he won less than everyone bar Moyes who didn’t even last a season.
 
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